Magplar PvP

Brutusmax1mus · August 2018

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

You're also one of the best players on PC NA

Thanks, but I wouldn't give myself that much credit. I just consider myself "consistent"

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

What’s your race. The issue I see happening is a competent stam player getting the jump on you and not being able to recover or you end up stuck on defense. Especially since your front bar is a staff.

Personally I would swap entropy with total dark. And remove toppling charge completely, it’s not needed.

Sorry, forgot to add that. I'm Argonian (I used to be High Elf).

Do you mean switch the positions of Total Dark and Entropy? I've considered it but I like having access to TD without needing to switch bars when going on the offensive. I usually start off on my shield bar and start out with an Entropy and Vamp Bane, then go to my destro bar and cast Total Dark when combat is starting.

As far as Toppling Charge goes, it will never leave my bar I don't know how people play without it. The only answers I've heard from various non-gapclosing Magplars about what they do when a sorc streaks away or a stam player sprints, they say they let them go. That's not me, I'll Toppling Charge a sorc to the ends of the Earth. Toppling also gives you more maneuverability, letting you quickly gap close away from a large group to a single target when trying to avoid getting outnumbered. It's also an interrupt and another source of off-balance for the CP off balance 10% damage passive.

I survive almost all gank attempts (Xv1 ganking aside), and when not fighting I'm on my 1h/shield bar, so 28k health + more defenses and Riposte pad any damage and then one Honor the Dead and I'm back to almost full health. A dodge roll here also gives me time to recover from those brutal first stam assaults.

My magplar is high elf but I've been debating swapping to argonian. Is the damage, and max mag really not that much of a loss on the switch?

I don't notice a difference in damage and the sustain and survivability is much better.

I just turned into a lizard it's way better

Lizards will once again rule the planet!

This is insanely better man I can't belive I was a filthy high elf for a year.

What pots do yall run?

Speed/immov/stam ... mostly so I don't have to slot Toppling

I almost only use tripots as a high elf, only reason i wanna go argonian is to open that up some.

That's exactly where I was at I just swapped to lizard and now I can use speed lingering health and speed imov it's wonderful.

My only problem is i love the regen bonus too mag and stam from tripots too. Almost irreplaceable for the way i play.

Waffennacht · August 2018

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

Joy_Division · August 2018

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a superior race for magplar. I’ve had argonian, Breton and high elf. All depends on your build when it comes to what race will compliment you better. But I guess there will always be people who feel there is one better than all.

For pots I use tripots, immovable, speed and spell power pots is an option if you NEED to free up a slot, last resort option.

Argonians are BiS for Magplars by quite a bit. Class is 100 % dependent on healing and off-resource management.

Lexxypwns · August 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a superior race for magplar. I’ve had argonian, Breton and high elf. All depends on your build when it comes to what race will compliment you better. But I guess there will always be people who feel there is one better than all.

For pots I use tripots, immovable, speed and spell power pots is an option if you NEED to free up a slot, last resort option.

Argonians are BiS for Magplars by quite a bit. Class is 100 % dependent on healing and off-resource management.

Argonian master race.

Argonian has the best stam management of all magika races for sure. A lot of people don’t realize it also has the best magika sustain of all races unless your build utilizes Lich. I mean, you’d need 2500 regen for High Elf to match the magika sustain.

However, I think the case he’s making is that on a glass cannon you’ll benefit more from High Elf and Dark Elf than Argonian. I know it’s super uncommon but I know for sure he has some hyper aggressive magplar builds and on those there’s definitely an argument for High Elf.

Brutusmax1mus · August 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a superior race for magplar. I’ve had argonian, Breton and high elf. All depends on your build when it comes to what race will compliment you better. But I guess there will always be people who feel there is one better than all.

For pots I use tripots, immovable, speed and spell power pots is an option if you NEED to free up a slot, last resort option.

Argonians are BiS for Magplars by quite a bit. Class is 100 % dependent on healing and off-resource management.

Argonian master race.

Argonian has the best stam management of all magika races for sure. A lot of people don’t realize it also has the best magika sustain of all races unless your build utilizes Lich. I mean, you’d need 2500 regen for High Elf to match the magika sustain.

However, I think the case he’s making is that on a glass cannon you’ll benefit more from High Elf and Dark Elf than Argonian. I know it’s super uncommon but I know for sure he has some hyper aggressive magplar builds and on those there’s definitely an argument for High Elf.

My reason for not switching is i love that characters look. So regal and bald. I should just try it and see really, but he's one of my OG characters.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I've played extensively with swift jewelry with positive results. Not a fan of vamp but I have tried swift jewels with expedition+speed potions which combine for great escape potential, all you have to do is run away and spam extended ritual and you can get out of a lot of tight spots.

My gear sets are Amberplasm/Axiom/Shadowrend and it results in a decent generalist build for 1v1, overworld, and BGs with a nice mix of damage and survival.

Brutusmax1mus · August 2018

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TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

CatchMeTrolling · August 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a superior race for magplar. I’ve had argonian, Breton and high elf. All depends on your build when it comes to what race will compliment you better. But I guess there will always be people who feel there is one better than all.

For pots I use tripots, immovable, speed and spell power pots is an option if you NEED to free up a slot, last resort option.

Argonians are BiS for Magplars by quite a bit. Class is 100 % dependent on healing and off-resource management.

I’d say they are bis overall and for the typical Templar setup. I played argonian the patch before morrowind when a lot of people still played high elf. Patches later I still got messages saying “why argonian?” For awhile I knew how good they were.

But like Lexxy was saying, I was more so talking about if I wanted to go more damage oriented I’d choose high elf. More tanky, I’d probably choose Breton and for an all around or flexible Templar I’d choose argonian. I run a lot different builds , some are unorthodox. Right now I don’t enjoy the defense set meta, just makes me hop on another class. So I’m playing glass cannon, for group I like to play flexible builds (where argonian comes in) but I don’t group as much as I should.

On another note argonian is pretty much the best race in the game for pvp.

Gulkrim-mur · August 2018

xGhost91x wrote: »

So I'm still pretty new to magicka classes in PvP (old stam DK main) and I need some advice. I can get some kills but I'm WAY too squishy.

I'm currently running:
2 Skoria (heavy)
5 Spinners (chest, legs. boots, Nirnhoned inferno staff)
5 Wizard's Riposte (belt, gloves, jewelry)
2 Song of Lamae (sword and shield on back bar).

Anyone have any advice for a newbie Magplar?

Drop spinners and don't even cp pen. The 5pc light perk is enough even for heavies. Stack max mag. Max mag is easier to stack then spell dmg and spell dmg doesn't beef shields.

Higher mag pool more abilities. Also I recommend building around shackle breaker for help the new stamina crutch you'll need to learn.

Xsorus · August 2018

How is accelerating drain as a stun from the vampire tree?

Lexxypwns · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

xGhost91x · August 2018

I think I've pretty much decided on 2 heavy Skoria, 5 light Shacklebreaker, 5 Wizard's Riposte (jewelry, sword, and shield), and a Willpower lightning staff. I'm also thinking of using tri-stat glyphs on all armor pieces.

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

How is accelerating drain as a stun from the vampire tree?

Its an excellent stun...

It Fears your target for 3 seconds, does damage, heals you, and you gives you Minor Expedition for 20 seconds...

On the downside:

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain are now dodgable (they used to be undodgable)...

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain make you vulnerable to be Bashed...

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain no longer stuns through block (they used to)...

On the upside:

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain both do full damage through Block...

Accelerating Drain gives you the 20 seconds of Minor Expedition even if you immediately cancel out of it...

Accelerating Drain/Invigorating Drain (since they Fear your target) sometimes will glitch like a Nightblades Fear and wont allow your target to Break Free...

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Waffennacht · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

Waffennacht · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

Well you do get a full 12.5% mitigation of the remaining 25% damage not prevented by mist form.

But from the original damage, you'll only see a total increase of 3%.

I.e. an attack would deal 10,000 mist form takes that to 2,500. Even if you have full resistance (50%) that takes the 2,500 to 1,250.

Your 50% damage mitigation was worth a real value of 1,250. That's 1,250 of the original 10,000. Meaning that 50% mitigation is actually only worth 12.5% of the total.

It's deminishing returns - just Google those two words

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

It's deminishing returns - just Google those two words

Are you sure deminishing is a word?

Waffennacht · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

It's deminishing returns - just Google those two words

Are you sure deminishing is a word?

It'll give you the right suggestion

Jimmy_The_Fixer · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

This post represents a gross misunderstanding of relatively simple math.

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

This post represents a gross misunderstanding of relatively simple math.

Nope...

It may represent a misunderstanding on the games formula for calculating mitigation however...

If I am understanding @Waffennacht correctly, he's saying Mist Forms mitigation is calculated 1st, then your resists after that; I thought it was the reverse...

Waffennacht · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trash pots for life

So I was trying Riposte malubeth axiom heavy frost staff resto

Frost to stack snares with time stop

Then resto with panacea healing rune mist form and extended

Was thinking Swift x3 making mist form Uber escape and keeping sweeps on targets

I will be done researching Swift on Rings and Necklass in a few days and have several sets of jewelry to experiment on with Swift x3 + Elusive Mist...

I will definitely test it thoroughly and make a thread about the results...

Off the top of my head though I am betting the following will be one the best (if not THE best) combination for consistently getting the most escape capability out of Elusive Mist:

Chudan x2...
Spectre's Eye x5...
Vampire Cloak x5...
Swift x3...
Accelerating Drain...
Wild Running...

All of that will combine to give your Mist Form:

8255 extra Resists (100% uptime)...
Major Evasion (50% uptime)...
Minor Protection (100% uptime)...
42% more movement bonus on top of Mist Forms 30% movement bonus (72% movement bonus Mist Form total)...
x4 Max Health Bonus...

The above should (in theory) give you phenomenal survivability while in Mist Form...

I cant wait to test it out!

Use Desert Rose and 5 heavy(anything) then you can basically mist form forever. You can recoup the damage loss because Desert Rose gives lolsustain.

@DrInsanity666 it’s easier to stack Spell damage on magplar because you get Minor Sorcery with great uptime and no class magika bonuses.

@xGhost91x Overwhelming Surge is better than Spinners in most situations because it offers so much utility. It allows you to transfer from defensive cycles to offensive cycles much more fluidly since you start putting pressure and proc Skoria while on defense

Desert Rose is good, but doesn't make your Mist Form as tanky as some of the alternatives do...

Due to deminishing returns... Your 8kish resistance or whatever gives you an additional 3% mitigation total in mist form, your minor protection gives you 1.76% (let's just say 2) more mitigation.

So in mist form those effects you listed give a grand total of 5% damage mitigation. Now the speed is definitely worth while

How are you coming up with 3% for Chudan?

Chudan's benefits stack directly with your base resists then Mist Form mitigates 75% of that, so you should receive the full 12.5% mitigation from wearing Chudan while in Mist Form...

This post represents a gross misunderstanding of relatively simple math.

Nope...

It may represent a misunderstanding on the games formula for calculating mitigation however...

If I am understanding @Waffennacht correctly, he's saying Mist Forms mitigation is calculated 1st, then your resists after that; I thought it was the reverse...

It's multiplicative, meaning it doesn't matter which is calculated first

I.e. 10,000 hit, 50% armor mitigation = 5,000. Then 75% from mist form takes it to 1,250.

Which is the same as 10,000, mist form first 75% = 2,500, then the armor mitigation 50% = 1,250

It's a multiplicative system, meaning the more mitigation sources, the less over all they do

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Edit:

Gotcha...

Thanks for the clarification @Waffennacht

Waffennacht · August 2018

for all your damage mitigation needs

@paulsimonps is the man

@TheDoomsdayMonster no worries man

paulsimonps · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

for all your damage mitigation needs

@paulsimonps is the man

@TheDoomsdayMonster no worries man

Woop woop, still relevant

Also, for those that need it, while not fully finished yet, it can be a good way to see how mitigations diminishing returns work.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427251/optimizing-mitigation-cp-tanking/p1

Xsorus · August 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

How is accelerating drain as a stun from the vampire tree?

Its an excellent stun...

It Fears your target for 3 seconds, does damage, heals you, and you gives you Minor Expedition for 20 seconds...

On the downside:

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain are now dodgable (they used to be undodgable)...

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain make you vulnerable to be Bashed...

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain no longer stuns through block (they used to)...

On the upside:

Accelerating/Invigorating Drain both do full damage through Block...

Accelerating Drain gives you the 20 seconds of Minor Expedition even if you immediately cancel out of it...

Accelerating Drain/Invigorating Drain (since they Fear your target) sometimes will glitch like a Nightblades Fear and wont allow your target to Break Free...

Welp won’t be going vampire for that now. Was hoping to use it as an undogable stun and block

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

for all your damage mitigation needs

@paulsimonps is the man

@TheDoomsdayMonster no worries man

You know, what you taught me today has given me an even greater appreciation of Spectre's Eye...

The mitigation it provides should be unaffected by diminishing returns; afterall, either you'll completely dodge an attack or you wont...

Edit:

Inaddition, I am now thinking the key to maximize mitigation is to build so that you can mitigate in different ways, so that diminishing returns is not as much of a factor...

Maybe instead of using Vampire Cloak in my idea, maybe I should use Hatchlings Shell...

A maintenance free 2500 point auto shield every 15 secs should be better than the 1-2% damage negation I'd get from Vampire Cloak at any rate...

Or maybe I'll just stick with Combat Physician as I love its 2-4 piece bonus's...

Lexxypwns · August 2018

Fact, @TheDoomsdayMonster has never shown any indication of being able to make high level build decisions.

I’m gonna send you a Magplar build later

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Fact, @TheDoomsdayMonster has never shown any indication of being able to make high level build decisions.

I’m gonna send you a Magplar build later

Lol!!!

All my build decisions are high level; they are so high that you cant even see them!