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so I finally tried sloads!!!
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ShadowMonarch✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.
How is this game Anti Stam? Specifically pvp. Do tell.
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wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭The game is anti-Stam? What? I mean maybe Cyrodiil is, I don't really know or care; without small scale BGs I would never have come back to the game to begin with. And in BGs Stam is generally superior, excepting dedicated healers obviously.
Negate, Reflects, and Shimmering Shield can completely dominate many Magicka setups while doing nothing at all vs Stamina builds (except for potentially some damage and support-skill restrictions on Negate). Stam builds can also wail on shields all day long without having to worry about feeding resources to their target; sustaining shields "infinitely" against bleed builds, dizzying swing spam, etc...simply isn't possible, while it is vs Magicka. Sometimes being attacked by a Magicka player is better than drinking a potion, while Stamina will destroy your resources really quickly.
Plus Stamina builds typically have far superior mobility, self healing (when's the last time you had to "cast" Rally or Vigor 5x in a row just to hit yourself once?), and defense. There are two ways to survive in BGs; tanking damage and avoiding damage. Unless you're specifically set up to permablock, or are premading with someone else who's permablocking with Guard on you, tanking damage simply isn't realistic. This leaves avoiding damage as the only option for most players, and Stamina tends to be much better at that. You can dodge roll a lot more, and generally have an easier time getting out of your enemy's line of sight (thanks to the aforementioned dodge rolling, plus generally moving faster and having more access to reliable snares + snare removal). If overall damage came down, significantly raising the TTK, then shield-vs-dodge roll may not favor Stamina classes quite so much, but as it stands right now, dodging is quite a lot better in most cases.
In BGs, the tip top best-of-the-best Magicka players are easier to deal with than their Stamina counterparts, even if I die either way. When it comes to the more middle of the road players, it's not even a contest - Stamina is far more dangerous and more difficult to kill. The Magicka burst combos tend to be both more telegraphed and less frequent, and those players have to burn global cooldowns on defense if I put some pressure on them; Stamina can just dodge roll in my face and keep spamming MOAR DEEPS!!! like a pro. And if the fight turns in my favor, it's less likely that the fellow Magicka player is going to be able to escape from me (depending somewhat on which character I'm playing...basically anybody can escape my Warden).
That's not to say that magicka is "garbage" right now, because some setups most definitely aren't (still baffles me that they buffed my Sorc's Rune Cage), but overall I'd have to give the nod to Stamina for sure.4 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
Every decent proc set in the game is undodgeable sir. Skoria, Groth, Caluu, Sload, Surge etc soft counter dodge. Zaan hard counters dodge.
@wheem_ESO I’m having wonderful success of magika builds this patch by switching to heavy armor. Don’t even need cloak on magebladeEdited by Lexxypwns on June 9, 2018 3:51AM0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.
How is this game Anti Stam? Specifically pvp. Do tell.
Let's compile a list of abilities that go through damage shields vs abilities that go through dodge rolling shall we?0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yeah.... I'm now part of the ex-Sloads club. It's a fun set, but yeah there's certainly better options out there. You give up burst and survivability to use it. Even in a 1v1 I was getting better results with a pure damage set.1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
Every decent proc set in the game is undodgeable sir. Skoria, Groth, Caluu, Sload, Surge etc soft counter dodge. Zaan hard counters dodge.
@wheem_ESO I’m having wonderful success of magika builds this patch by switching to heavy armor. Don’t even need cloak on mageblade
My buddy has been doing quite well too with his magblade. He uses 5 Amberplasm, 5 Julianos, and 2 Blood spawn. Insane damage, near infinite sustain, and very tanky.1 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.
How is this game Anti Stam? Specifically pvp. Do tell.
Let's compile a list of abilities that go through damage shields vs abilities that go through dodge rolling shall we?
Lets compare how much damage a damage shield can save you from vs how much a dodge can avoid, shall we?Edited by Biro123 on June 9, 2018 8:51AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.
How is this game Anti Stam? Specifically pvp. Do tell.
Let's compile a list of abilities that go through damage shields vs abilities that go through dodge rolling shall we?
Lets compare how much damage a damage shield can save you from vs how much a dodge can avoid, shall we?
Let's compare the damage that will be reduced for both shall we?
Dodge is a great defence but it's not a primary one you use it to complement your other defences.
If you build around dodge and you meet a Magsorc, magplar, Magdk, stamplar or builds utilising dots + skoria or Zaan you're dead.
Against other builds it's great but the sheer amount of builds and skills that'll kill you when you are low is just too high to make dodge a good or overperfoming main defence.1 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.
How is this game Anti Stam? Specifically pvp. Do tell.
Let's compile a list of abilities that go through damage shields vs abilities that go through dodge rolling shall we?
Lets compare how much damage a damage shield can save you from vs how much a dodge can avoid, shall we?
Let's compare the damage that will be reduced for both shall we?
Dodge is a great defence but it's not a primary one you use it to complement your other defences.
If you build around dodge and you meet a Magsorc, magplar, Magdk, stamplar or builds utilising dots + skoria or Zaan you're dead.
Against other builds it's great but the sheer amount of builds and skills that'll kill you when you are low is just too high to make dodge a good or overperfoming main defence.
Dodge doesn't work against pressure because it has a stacking cost and many things ignore it. That's why med armor sucks so much that you can cheese them down with Skoria, Sloads, Overwhelming Surge, Duroks, Bleeds or whatever (while rolling your head over the keyboard).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah.... I'm now part of the ex-Sloads club. It's a fun set, but yeah there's certainly better options out there. You give up burst and survivability to use it. Even in a 1v1 I was getting better results with a pure damage set.
in PvP, sloads is the purest "pure dmg" set there is. unless you've found some magical +1000 weapon damage set with the same uptime.
OH wait. There's one.
Zaan.
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✭The best thing about the proc set meta is all good NB's get flung with insults that aren't even true. The amount of times I got called a "proctard" in #ProcSetMeta1.0 whilst wearing zero proc sets was unbelievable.
Already #ProcSetMeta2.0 is bringing out the unbridled hate.
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Tyvarra✭✭✭Today someone whispered me he reported me for exploiting because his sload didnt proc on me... . Using a broken set and insulting others because he is too stupid to make it proc. how is that my fault lol
Jokes aside, nerf sload already. Its just stupid. ZOS common, we dont want to wait a year for the fix.Please fix the game!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah.... I'm now part of the ex-Sloads club. It's a fun set, but yeah there's certainly better options out there. You give up burst and survivability to use it. Even in a 1v1 I was getting better results with a pure damage set.
in PvP, sloads is the purest "pure dmg" set there is. unless you've found some magical +1000 weapon damage set with the same uptime.
OH wait. There's one.
Zaan.
Yeah, I don't know what people are talking about when they say Sloads is weak...
I'm killing guys with Sloads+Torugs that I've NEVER killed 1v1 before, guys that I had to fight to a stalemate in the past. Not just NBs and other Sorcs, either. In the first week of Summerset, I killed an infamous AD Templar for the first time in 2 years! He was so flabbergasted that he came looking for me right after he respawned in Arboretum... and I killed him AGAIN within seconds with my Atro up! This is a guy I used to fight for like 10 minutes until we both walked away.
Of course, it's no surprise that almost everyone I kill this way runs to get their own Sloads. I don't blame them! People who say Sloads is weak are either fighting a different game than I am, or they are lying.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
ShadowMonarch✭✭✭✭20 Ticks Of Sloads from 3 different people. Im pretty sure somebody was running durok too.
https://imgur.com/a/iih7n7b
Even with Necropotence and stacking Healingward+Dampen with the hots from Swallowsoul, siphon strikes, and mutagen Still cannot get health to actually GO UP. 2 shields and 3 hots yet still cannot get health to go up. Sloads is fine!!
Cloak, Hots, and Shields all useless, hmm were's that counterplay! I don't even mind sets like zaan, I can just knock them back and roll the other direction, shadow image, ect out of it. Sloads has 0 counterplay. Even when I dump magika to cast Purge its just reapplied.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah.... I'm now part of the ex-Sloads club. It's a fun set, but yeah there's certainly better options out there. You give up burst and survivability to use it. Even in a 1v1 I was getting better results with a pure damage set.
in PvP, sloads is the purest "pure dmg" set there is. unless you've found some magical +1000 weapon damage set with the same uptime.
OH wait. There's one.
Zaan.
Yeah, I have been debating running it myself on my magplar. I have pretty much all DOTs and skoria. The only off putting thing would be that my heals would not benefit but not by all that much.
On the other hand, I didnt see it last night in CP open world. Either people are not using it, or I was getting it purged off, but I didnt see the debuff on the list while playing.Edited by technohic on June 9, 2018 2:39PM0 -
... i still think that sload isn’t powerful. Anyway, nerf it, so i can slot cloack again XD0
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H4RDFOX✭✭✭I see how the debate on sloads as a meta set can be frustrating to say the least, but its an oblivion damage set. Something you can't cleanse, which is part of the game. The set procs off of any damage. DOT damage, ability damage, LA/HA, or AOE. So that's something worth looking into, but calling for nerfs will render the set inoperable, and you will have another meta set taking its place.
Solution may be to either have it require 9 trait research, and leave the 10% as is with any damage. Or drop it to 8% any damage with the current required traits researched. That is reasonable.
How many sets out there are just not worth looking into for PVP. If we as a community want to consider sending sloads to the fire pit, then overwhelming surge has to go along with it, along with all the other procsets that provide that easy damage. If you aren't willing to pitchfork those other sets, then leave sloads alone. It's a double standard in my opinion that people hate on this current meta, and not give equal disdained treatment to the meta before it.
Yea, it sucks that everyone including grandma is running the set, but what was meta before it? I've seen lots of overwhelming surge out there. Like two dudes wrecking shop, and to top that off they used resource poisons, so you couldn't dodge or cast shields, you were f*****.
Edited: for the record, I do not think the set is under-performing, but I believe it is working as intended. The up-time of the set itself is because of all the damage the target is receiving. In my case i'm throwing light attacks, abilities, and when the set procs the DOT is probably causing it to proc again as well. Maybe remove the DOT causing the set to reapply. Again, reasonable.
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✭People need something to complain about. There must be a reason you won instead of them, and that reason must be that you played unfairly.
You used Sloads, that’s the only reason you won.
*remove sloads, put on Red Mountain.*
You used Red Mountain and skoria, that’s the only reason you won.
*remove red mountain and skoria, put on 7th legion and Troll King.”
You used troll king, that’s the only reason you won.
*remove troll king and 7th legion, put on bone pirate, hundings rage, automaton, or any other non-prod set.*
You ganked me when I wasn’t expecting it. That’s the only reason you won.
Basically, people just need something to blame. Especially when they’re the only ones who are supposed to win ~
Again: There is a noticeable difference between being outplayed or outprocced. If I have to die I prefer the former.
Ok, so let's remove all proc sets or none to be fair then according to that logic. Any other action would be hypocrisy then... But sure, that's not allowed either, only Sload's has to go...just because.
I‘d be totally fine with removing all sets that do damage and just not amplify stats.
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.
How is this game Anti Stam? Specifically pvp. Do tell.
Let's compile a list of abilities that go through damage shields vs abilities that go through dodge rolling shall we?
Sure, here is a start.
You can't shield; damage health enchantment (infused weapon and torgus affected), sloads semblance, shield breaker, knight slayer, shattering blows, and various NPC attacks.Edited by SirMewser on June 11, 2018 2:46PM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The best thing about the proc set meta is all good NB's get flung with insults that aren't even true. The amount of times I got called a "proctard" in #ProcSetMeta1.0 whilst wearing zero proc sets was unbelievable.
Already #ProcSetMeta2.0 is bringing out the unbridled hate.
if you run wizard reposte, it has a similar purple but its more blue (and masks sloads lol).
That is why you got accidental salt.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Hammy01✭✭✭✭✭I think if people would just quit looking at their death recap then we would have no more issues with Sloads
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✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »20 Ticks Of Sloads from 3 different people. Im pretty sure somebody was running durok too.
https://imgur.com/a/iih7n7b
Even with Necropotence and stacking Healingward+Dampen with the hots from Swallowsoul, siphon strikes, and mutagen Still cannot get health to actually GO UP. 2 shields and 3 hots yet still cannot get health to go up. Sloads is fine!!
Cloak, Hots, and Shields all useless, hmm were's that counterplay! I don't even mind sets like zaan, I can just knock them back and roll the other direction, shadow image, ect out of it. Sloads has 0 counterplay. Even when I dump magika to cast Purge its just reapplied.
The “counterplay” to Sloads is run more health, more healing, and more health regen. Try heavy armor+TK. Extended your survival and cheese bugged TK. Even with defile you’d have outhealed all that damage with TK in heavy
I know it sucks being pigeonholed I to specific setups, but tbh, I don’t think it sucks more than getting rekt like you did in that screenshot(through no fault of your own).
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✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »20 Ticks Of Sloads from 3 different people. Im pretty sure somebody was running durok too.
https://imgur.com/a/iih7n7b
Even with Necropotence and stacking Healingward+Dampen with the hots from Swallowsoul, siphon strikes, and mutagen Still cannot get health to actually GO UP. 2 shields and 3 hots yet still cannot get health to go up. Sloads is fine!!
Cloak, Hots, and Shields all useless, hmm were's that counterplay! I don't even mind sets like zaan, I can just knock them back and roll the other direction, shadow image, ect out of it. Sloads has 0 counterplay. Even when I dump magika to cast Purge its just reapplied.
The “counterplay” to Sloads is run more health, more healing, and more health regen. Try heavy armor+TK. Extended your survival and cheese bugged TK. Even with defile you’d have outhealed all that damage with TK in heavy
I know it sucks being pigeonholed I to specific setups, but tbh, I don’t think it sucks more than getting rekt like you did in that screenshot(through no fault of your own).
I’ve noticed it exactly once in a week. I’m sure it’s there somewhere in the death recap but if I’m swallowed up by 15 people I’m not even bothering to check because it wasn’t Sloads that killed me ... it was those 15 people.
Then again I think I’ve died to Zaan once as well and with the amount of salt people throw at that thing you’d think they were baking pretzels.0 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭While I don't mind the idea of proc sets for build diversity, I get the most enjoyment from Spriggans/Automaton & Bone Pirates with a non-proc monster set (Slimecraw/Mighty Chudan/Troll King - depending on my mood - and occasionally Blood spawn). This is on a stamplar mainly. I guess I prefer simple builds without having to think about "what procs what and when".
Are there others like this...or am I the last of my kind? A relic of an age long passed (i.e. 2016)
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mursie✭✭✭✭✭While I don't mind the idea of proc sets for build diversity, I get the most enjoyment from Spriggans/Automaton & Bone Pirates with a non-proc monster set (Slimecraw/Mighty Chudan/Troll King - depending on my mood - and occasionally Blood spawn). This is on a stamplar mainly. I guess I prefer simple builds without having to think about "what procs what and when".
Are there others like this...or am I the last of my kind? A relic of an age long passed (i.e. 2016)
you're a real saint - wearing one set that only procs if you use a drink and another set that procs an insane health recovery if you heal below 50%.
before you throw shade, check that plank in your eye. It's all just different sides of the same coin. You trade off sustain for dmg... and vice versa. all are free to do as they so choose. none are restricted from one choice or the other.
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JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭While I don't mind the idea of proc sets for build diversity, I get the most enjoyment from Spriggans/Automaton & Bone Pirates with a non-proc monster set (Slimecraw/Mighty Chudan/Troll King - depending on my mood - and occasionally Blood spawn). This is on a stamplar mainly. I guess I prefer simple builds without having to think about "what procs what and when".
Are there others like this...or am I the last of my kind? A relic of an age long passed (i.e. 2016)
you're a real saint - wearing one set that only procs if you use a drink and another set that procs an insane health recovery if you heal below 50%.
before you throw shade, check that plank in your eye. It's all just different sides of the same coin. You trade off sustain for dmg... and vice versa. all are free to do as they so choose. none are restricted from one choice or the other.
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Well ok then. That took an unexpected turn. I wasn't throwing shade, just adding content to the forum. But thank you for your thoughtful words. You, too, are a saint.0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Did you try it in BGs?
Very different in BGs than Cyro, in terms of healing....
Do you use alot of dots in your build?
On my build any set that works of any damage (skoria for example) will proc on cool down. I haven't tried Sload's yet, but I guarantee I would set it off within a second it was available and the cool down is low.
Basically it is free pressure. I think my Vigor ticks at like 1.3-1.4k in BGs. Sload ticks for 0.85k. So if you are going full ham on me applying pressure and Sload procs, healing is suddenly reduced like 60%. So whatever else you are throwing at me will hit harder.
Now if you are fighting more than one person, Sload's debuff is not unique. Where before I could maybe LoS and regain resources, 2 debuffs is ticking for more than my vigor. There is screen shots floating around with 3 different ppl proccing it.
Throw it on a sniper that applies defile and and dots. Where before you mighthave had a chance to gap close and pressure them, now nope.
Play against a bleed build like mine with Sload's to boot and worst case scenario you suddenly have 7 or so dots (Hurricance, HA bleed, Blood Craze bleed, DW Bleed, Brawler Bleed, Double Dot Poison, Sload's) which each are small, but now add up to a big tick and I got a high single target defile uptime and I'm also now hitting you with reverse slice/Onslaught/DBoS or I simply rune cage you.
Realistically only no dmg doing tank builds or templars with big heals and cleanse won't buckle fast.
Now in a small scale 4v4 environment there is AoE's etc etc flying around... some sniper at the back of the pack..
It's alot of 'free' pressure for a crafted set that works on both stam and mag and stacks....
BS. I play BG all the time and sloads no worse than anything else.
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭what a flippen disappointment.
you would thing based on the amount of tears recently shed on the forums that the god himself created this set to kill mass amounts of pvp players.
even before I crafted it I was disappointed in it, looking at the numbers I was just scratching my head trying to figure out how ~5k damage over 6 seconds was so terrifying. but figured based on the amount of screaming on the forums that its just something you have to try.
so I did.
and I was disappointed.
I can only assume that a series of other conditions are met to put sloads as the "cherry on top" of the death of so many players. (fighting outnumbered, being defiled, poisoned, etc.) and maintain that sloads is just a current "death crutch" to complain about.
-tries to 1vX massive zerg
-fails miserably
-sees sloads in the death recap
-obviously it was to blame!
deconed it, went back to my usual set up, still don't get the crying, whatever.
*trolls back into pvp*
Sload is definitely overpowered set especially in groups. No matter how hard you try. Either you dont know or how to play it.0 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭So I made sloads and torugs for pvp to troll a bit. There was a guy 1 v x ing outside of bleakers the other day. Typical rock *** los etc. This guy was good. Whatever his build was he was downing fools left and right.
So finally I corner him and its me and some other guy and he starts to pick on the other guy. So I went to work. Light attack skill spam. This dude didn't know what to do. Damage was going right through his shields. And his shield work was crisp. Frag la shield meteor la shield curse etc. So this guy who had 1 v x ed all these fools down gets done in by little old me and my troll build.
Same thing with guys in heavy armor. Peeps build to mitigate damage so they can counter play and put out damage counter play etc. These sets take all that away. I killed and he rage quit and sent me a whisper and I had to ignore him. But I felt for the guy. He obviously put a lot of time in finding a build that could sustain and mitigate and damage, and yes he was a cheese sorc, but he wasn't one shotting people.
Op your right. If that was a 1v1 he would have probably beaten me. But here's the problem. This guy was better then me. How do I know? I have max cp and have fooled around with some builds and have come up with set ups that can 1 vx a little. but not like him. If he can do all that and down players at that rate he shouldn't be done in by troll sets. Sorry. This kills the game.
Also I tried out Amber Shackle on my mag sorc and I am better in a large battle/ can escape a little better and my utility is way better then sloads/Torugs. But what I cannot do is beat really good players that just flat out have a better build/spent tons of gold on immovable potions/ are just better then me. With sloads/torugs I can. This is broken.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If he can do all that and down players at that rate he shouldn't be done in by troll sets. Sorry. This kills the game.
Also I tried out Amber Shackle on my mag sorc and I am better in a large battle/ can escape a little better and my utility is way better then sloads/Torugs. But what I cannot do is beat really good players that just flat out have a better build/spent tons of gold on immovable potions/ are just better then me. With sloads/torugs I can. This is broken.
Have you considered that maybe he can down players at that rate because he is using a setup that is overpowered?
I'm not saying he's not good, i'm saying that if shields were not as powerful as they are, he maybe would not have been able to do it.
Maybe ZOS knows this, and introduced what you call "a troll set" to counteract what would otherwise have to be nerfed (and they don't like to outright nerf stuff, for obvious reasons).
Your argument is like, "This nightblade was constantly disappearing and killing players in droves until i came along with a detect pot, and killed him. This is broken! I should not have been able to kill him!". Basically the same thing, the difference is that everyone understands cloak without counters would be overpowered AF, and because the counters have been there like forever, we don't have "nerf detect pots" threads.
With shields, people still have to accept it.0