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so I finally tried sloads!!!
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People need something to complain about. There must be a reason you won instead of them, and that reason must be that you played unfairly.
You used Sloads, that’s the only reason you won.
*remove sloads, put on Red Mountain.*
You used Red Mountain and skoria, that’s the only reason you won.
*remove red mountain and skoria, put on 7th legion and Troll King.”
You used troll king, that’s the only reason you won.
*remove troll king and 7th legion, put on bone pirate, hundings rage, automaton, or any other non-prod set.*
You ganked me when I wasn’t expecting it. That’s the only reason you won.
Basically, people just need something to blame. Especially when they’re the only ones who are supposed to win ~
Again: There is a noticeable difference between being outplayed or outprocced. If I have to die I prefer the former.
Ok, so let's remove all proc sets or none to be fair then according to that logic. Any other action would be hypocrisy then... But sure, that's not allowed either, only Sload's has to go...just because.
I‘d be totally fine with removing all sets that do damage and just not amplify stats.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭notice how this thread is 5213423565% more intelligent than other threads.
someone heard the hype and went and tried it and was like..."what's all the hype for?""The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"
Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019
Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.2 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »notice how this thread is 5213423565% more intelligent than other threads.
someone heard the hype and went and tried it and was like..."what's all the hype for?"
That someone also acknowledges in the OP though that he only judges it in a vacuum and didn’t meet all the situations where it might be a problem.I can only assume that a series of other conditions are met to put sloads as the "cherry on top" of the death of so many players. (fighting outnumbered, being defiled, poisoned, etc.)Edited by Feanor on June 7, 2018 3:28PMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.2 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »notice how this thread is 5213423565% more intelligent than other threads.
someone heard the hype and went and tried it and was like..."what's all the hype for?"
That someone also acknowledges in the OP though that he only judges it in a vacuum and didn’t meet all the situations where it might be a problem.I can only assume that a series of other conditions are met to put sloads as the "cherry on top" of the death of so many players. (fighting outnumbered, being defiled, poisoned, etc.)
There’s only 1 thing in the game that is broken OP in a vacuum: Instant cast stealth. Everything else needs synergy with something else to become OP, and Cloak often loses out on being OP because of its practical use being unreliable in a lot of situations.
This doesn’t mean nothing is OP and him trying to construct a straw man based on half of a post just shows the lengths some people are willing to go for their crutches.
In the meantime I suggest everyone make a set and cheese it if you haven’t started alreadyEdited by Lexxypwns on June 7, 2018 3:32PM4 -
SASQUATCH0✭✭✭✭It’s really not that OP... I can see the stacking being an issue but other than that it’s nice to finally have the extra pressure on my magdk. Especially against cloak and shield stackers. Also helpful against stam which were very difficult to kill on magdk.0 -
H4RDFOX✭✭✭@H4RDFOX
You “stepped up your game”, ironically by equipping the set. That’s very funny. I just don’t understand why people justify effortless damage all the time. But you give the very reason - Power is contagious, and the lesser skilled players want power too. From that end you can see why the set is bad design - it’s there to close a skill gap the lesser skilled player could never overcome on his own, because equipping a (crafted, not even requiring 9 traits, easy to get) set is much easier than actually “stepping up your game”.
There is a benefit to almost every set in the game, so I don't see how one can be biased against a damage set. What sets are you running that you benefit from? The set is easy, unmitigated damage, but it isn't destroying everyone it faces. There are counters, and that's just it. Hate on oblivion damage elsewhere.
The debate of a player's skill level based on sets is nonsense. You aren't going into Cyrodil without an equipped set other than your tabard. Sets provide some sort of buff. The logic you presented can be countered with "you need a set to buff your protection, or manage your resources" over your opponent. Look at overwhelming surge, valkyn skoria, or shieldbreaker. Stepping up your game isn't limited to your own understanding of it. You either gain an advantage over the enemy or you don't, something called an unfair advantage, and there are too many overwhelming surge shield breakers out there. So get triggered all day. I'm running sloads whether or not your subjectivity suggests a lack of skill.#NoEasyProps2 -
Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
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Cleanse it a dozen times and you get loads more ticks on you instantly.
Full Support/Heal/Tank Build, even against one opponent it just keeps re applying....no matter what.
The proc chance is bugged 100% it is right now...
I even started using it on my full tank/heal/support build, I out survive pretty much all the other damage dealer players and sloads just slowly kills them with perma debuff because you can not cleanse it enough, it just keeps instantly re applying.
It is broken as hell.
Edited by Troneon on June 7, 2018 8:27PMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything3 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.1 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭With logics like that we can also say that Viper was never overperforming. After all it was not devastating set if You wouldnt combine it with things like : Selene , Tremorscale , Velidreth , Eternal Hunt , Blackrose , Widowmaker , Red Mountain etc.
People saying "Come on Sload is not that good" really tend to not see bigger picture and dont understand fact that set doesnt have to overperform all the time , alone or in combination with anything to be called OP. It's just certain scenarios and certain combinations making set OP.
I perfectly remember when Viper was 1st time introduced after trials overhaul and people were also saying for few next weeks "Nah it's not OP/It's mediocre set/I tested it and it had average results.". It's funny how history repeats itself.Edited by Juhasow on June 8, 2018 1:18AM1 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
I havent seen any real complaining from magsorcs. There are a lot of experienced players of all classes seeing issue with this set. A slight nerf or I feel a complete rework would be better.
The most common arguements in defense of this set is"its not as game breaking as....." it doesnt hold any weight. We also should understand not everyone wants balance or counterplay and only what is best for them
I like the idea of counterplay. Some classes will be stronger against other classes As magsorcs, we hate magdks, nbs hate magsorcs because any experienced magsorc can put defense rune and streak into cloak.
I would love if this set procced, and stayed on shieled opponents and I main a magsorc. Thats fine to have a set that puts tons of pressure on a class or build yet renders you weaker against others. Same for defile, it is designed to pressure healers. The intention is good, it just needs reworking. Sloads pulling people out of cloak is a ptoblem and everything Lexy said
Hmmm, defense rune, streak and sload. Magsorc buff!!!!! Woot!!!!!!1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.1 -
Baristote✭✭So as a magblade ganker, i threw off my spinner set for the sload set. the second set is vicious death or caluurion.
I lost the big spel pen from spinner so i went to lover mundus stone to get it back. At the end, i lost sustain because i was initially using atronach mundus.
My magicka regen in no cp is something like 1400 so it's very low, but thanks to meditate, I recover quickly when out of combat.
I tested summerset with sload and without, here's my thoughts:
- People I instakill doesn't care about sloads.
- Reactive people with decent build are not gankable, vigor dodge and they are free to counter attack. They have sustain so they can easily kill me.
- Good sorcs adapted, they don't care about sload.
- The big trouble with sload is the breaking cloak. when i chase a poor NB brother i feel really guilty. THIS IS THE BROKEN PART OF SLOAD. I had to slot purge, but it never removes the good debuff (sload, mark).
Conclusion:
Sload breaks cloak is broken
Sload with all bleeds and stuff is broken. But i think bleeds and stuff should be looked at, but good luck.
=> Sload is crap and it nerfs your ass, go back to spinner, pirate or i don't know what and TEST IT before dropping tears everywhere. All these "eso is dead" youtubers crying because of sloads are hurting our fabulous game.
Bonus: i've tested zaan, and it's what really makes me kill people i shouldn't. They dodge or block but the ticks are too strong0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
We'll, I've only seen 2 showing that combo, plenty showing sloads from multiple opponents, some showing sloads and bleeds and some showing sloads doing more damage than burst abilities, and some with sloads and other proc sets (normally Zaan).
Honestly the sloads and shieldbreaker combos are really about laughing at someone crutching so hard on sets and a build made to focus one class at the expense of all others.. Real tryhards.. Honestly the dangerous part of those recaps are and always have been shieldbreaker. Sloads on top just makes it funny.
Edited by Biro123 on June 8, 2018 11:48AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.Edited by wheem_ESO on June 8, 2018 7:50PM1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
We'll, I've only seen 2 showing that combo, plenty showing sloads from multiple opponents, some showing sloads and bleeds and some showing sloads doing more damage than burst abilities, and some with sloads and other proc sets (normally Zaan).
Honestly the sloads and shieldbreaker combos are really about laughing at someone crutching so hard on sets and a build made to focus one class at the expense of all others.. Real tryhards.. Honestly the dangerous part of those recaps are and always have been shieldbreaker. Sloads on top just makes it funny.
Lol yeah I don't know any talented PvPer that uses shield breaker. It's such a niche set in my opinion. With people switching from Nightblades to sorcs due to Sloads breaking cloak now I can see it becoming more popular though.0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
We'll, I've only seen 2 showing that combo, plenty showing sloads from multiple opponents, some showing sloads and bleeds and some showing sloads doing more damage than burst abilities, and some with sloads and other proc sets (normally Zaan).
Honestly the sloads and shieldbreaker combos are really about laughing at someone crutching so hard on sets and a build made to focus one class at the expense of all others.. Real tryhards.. Honestly the dangerous part of those recaps are and always have been shieldbreaker. Sloads on top just makes it funny.
Lol yeah I don't know any talented PvPer that uses shield breaker. It's such a niche set in my opinion. With people switching from Nightblades to sorcs due to Sloads breaking cloak now I can see it becoming more popular though.
Hah - yeah, I'm switching from sorc to , well, I don't know what yet - keep experimenting with different ideas on different classes..Trying stamplar next, I think. I hate playing fotm..Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭Sloads pushes a lot of dot builds over the edge into really dangerous territory.
You have to understand that this game is played in the margins. If you’re healing for 4K/s and taking dots worth 4K/s dmg, then you’re at a break even.
If you then throw defile on that person, healing goes down to 2k/s, so they’re now losing 2k/s health... but that’s not terrible. You can eat that up with dmg shields or some clever kiting.
Now here comes sloads. Does another 1k/s. Yeah it might be only 1k but it increases the net dmg received (damage per second minus heals per second) by 50%. And it’s oblivion dmg, so no resisting it. All of the sudden your health is going into execute range in 6s instead of 9s... and someone who would be on the offensive to burst down a dot build now has to play defensive before they can line up their burst combo.
For these dot builds, sloads is the straw that broke the camels back... where in this case the camel is a regular, respectable PvPer.
Using it on my stam DO. Straight nightmare. Selenes or troll king with sloads and bone pirate is straight *** man. It's so hard to go down... argonian, fragmented shield, heavy armor, vigor ticks are INSANE.0 -
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✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
We'll, I've only seen 2 showing that combo, plenty showing sloads from multiple opponents, some showing sloads and bleeds and some showing sloads doing more damage than burst abilities, and some with sloads and other proc sets (normally Zaan).
Honestly the sloads and shieldbreaker combos are really about laughing at someone crutching so hard on sets and a build made to focus one class at the expense of all others.. Real tryhards.. Honestly the dangerous part of those recaps are and always have been shieldbreaker. Sloads on top just makes it funny.
Lol yeah I don't know any talented PvPer that uses shield breaker. It's such a niche set in my opinion. With people switching from Nightblades to sorcs due to Sloads breaking cloak now I can see it becoming more popular though.
Hah - yeah, I'm switching from sorc to , well, I don't know what yet - keep experimenting with different ideas on different classes..Trying stamplar next, I think. I hate playing fotm..
Ever try magDK? It's one of my favorite specs in the game. I personally can't stand playing as a Templar because of their rune. I'm way too mobile.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
We'll, I've only seen 2 showing that combo, plenty showing sloads from multiple opponents, some showing sloads and bleeds and some showing sloads doing more damage than burst abilities, and some with sloads and other proc sets (normally Zaan).
Honestly the sloads and shieldbreaker combos are really about laughing at someone crutching so hard on sets and a build made to focus one class at the expense of all others.. Real tryhards.. Honestly the dangerous part of those recaps are and always have been shieldbreaker. Sloads on top just makes it funny.
Lol yeah I don't know any talented PvPer that uses shield breaker. It's such a niche set in my opinion. With people switching from Nightblades to sorcs due to Sloads breaking cloak now I can see it becoming more popular though.
Hah - yeah, I'm switching from sorc to , well, I don't know what yet - keep experimenting with different ideas on different classes..Trying stamplar next, I think. I hate playing fotm..
Yep, I know what you mean. It’s gross what ZOS has given Mag Sorcs. No one asked for these buffs either - they ripped away Frags CC which was fun/unique, killing the playstyle that was tougher to use and had tons of counterplay. Then they replaced it with a much easier, stronger, and literally uncounterable version. It’s ridiculous.
It’s like they legit don’t even understand their own game and purposely ignore all player feedback, then wonder why balance is such a mess. Class Reps had to exist due to how terrible the balance is but honestly they can only do so much since they are still just players. Wrobel and his team are the ones making all of the decisions, regardless of what anyone says. Don’t expect things to change for the better and you can only be pleasantly surprised lol.Edited by Vaoh on June 8, 2018 6:46PM1 -
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✭I tested summerset with sload and without, here's my thoughts:
- People I instakill doesn't care about sloads.
- Reactive people with decent build are not gankable, vigor dodge and they are free to counter attack. They have sustain so they can easily kill me.
- Good sorcs adapted, they don't care about sload.
- The big trouble with sload is the breaking cloak. when i chase a poor NB brother i feel really guilty. THIS IS THE BROKEN PART OF SLOAD. I had to slot purge, but it never removes the good debuff (sload, mark).
=> Sload is crap and it nerfs your ass, go back to spinner, pirate or i don't know what and TEST IT before dropping tears everywhere. All these "eso is dead" youtubers crying because of sloads are hurting our fabulous game.
I reached a similar conclusion, though my playstyle is different. I gave it a good shot, Sload's isn't for me. Time will tell if it becomes popular on PS4 NA.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.0 -
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It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.2 -
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It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.5 -
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It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
You got it bud! And in exchange I want everything that ignores dodge rolling to ignore shields as well. @ZOS_Wrobel let's make it happen!1 -
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✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »
It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
haha the stamtards would riot in the streets if there was a equal that magika builds could use!!!!!!!
A set that let me hit them through dodgeroll would be hilarious and a great taste of their own medicine but they would throw the biggest fit.
I have 26k+ resistances for a reason, and it's not because dodge rolling is reliable. This game is anti-stam as it is. If they were to come out with a set like this it would not surprise me.0 -
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It was this one:I asked a buddy what % of his total damage (~840k, and #1 in that particular match) the Sload's proc accounted for.
If you're referring to my recent screenshot, it was taken on a Magicka Warden. Which is obviously still an enormously overpowered class that needs even more nerfs.It's amazing how much QQ there is over this set. I agree it's a good set, but truthfully I mainly like using it because it pulls Nightblades out of stealth, and if I'm lucky enough it'll finish off a vampire using healing ward. I wouldn't be too bummed if they nerfed it though; there are stronger sets out there, and certainly stronger proc sets. This see has really shown how spoiled magSorcs are though.
Honestly why to people keep thinking it's spoiled magsorc complaining?.. several of us magsorcs have said repeatedly that it's one of the classes most able to handle it.
Sloads is nothing compared to shieldbreaker from a magsorc perspective.
Because it's magSorcs I see primarily whining about it. I'm aware that they're probably one of the best that can deal with it, but most magSorcs are carried by their Shields and OP undodgeable attacks. Slotting a heal seems like the end of the world for them. I perform just as good if not better with 7th Legion. I mainly use Sloads for the aforementioned perks. Nerf Sloads and I'll happily switch gear. Zaan is way more op as a proc set though. They're not even in the same league.
We'll, you're either reading a different forum to me or one of us has a biased view.
I see mostly decent players who know their stuff and play multiple classes complain about it,. Along with a few NBs who say it's fine but shouldn't break cloak...
Ironically, since it's much more of a NB counter than a sorc' counter. Obvious they just want it to be another shieldbreaker.
Considering I usually see a lot of screenshots of both Sloads and shieldbreaker on the death recap I'm pretty confident about the class doing the most QQing.
There's been a lot of those screenshots. I don't recall your name, but it could have been one of them.
The red player with Sload's on my recap was a different person than the one using Shield Breaker, although they were both wearing it. Light armor magicka setups that can't permablock have no effective defense against all this oblivion damage; it's not just the dreaded shield stacking sorcerers that get hosed. Not that shield stacking in BGs/other no-CP is anywhere near the level that it is with max CP anyway.
And as far as Shield Breaker being worth using or not: you can always carry a set around in your bags if you're running BGs, and put it on if you find yourself against enough light armor users to justify wearing it. If this set is going to remain in game as it is, I want a "Dodge Breaker" set that does essentially the same thing, but through dodge rolls instead of shields.
You got it bud! And in exchange I want everything that ignores dodge rolling to ignore shields as well. @ZOS_Wrobel let's make it happen!
I so agree. The dodge is ridiculous!0
