Stamdk suck al around and need buffs haven't played my stamdk in ages wardens just better.Ragnarock41 wrote: »I break the cloak of Nb all the time on my stamplar its not hard.
jabs and hurricane is perfect for breaking cloak. we Dks sadly don't have such stuff. magDks do have a few AoE abilities(but they have other problems, like getting kited) but stamDks are stuck with noxious breath, which is a narrow cone and a very weak ability in general.
Seraphayel wrote: »Come on, everybody who says use the counters to cloak is just trying to find some arguments why it's supposedly not overpowered. Cloak counters are super expensive crap skills most of the time. It is like the same people that look for excuses for the overperformance of bleed builds because you can use that 6k Magicka cleanse to remove them. Yeah...
Super expensive crap skills such as Jabs, Hurricane, Caltrops, etc?
Heck I have zero cloak counters in my loadout, and I have zero issues with them because I use detection potions.
It's one of the easiest mechanics to counter in the game lol
Seraphayel wrote: »Come on, everybody who says use the counters to cloak is just trying to find some arguments why it's supposedly not overpowered. Cloak counters are super expensive crap skills most of the time. It is like the same people that look for excuses for the overperformance of bleed builds because you can use that 6k Magicka cleanse to remove them. Yeah...
Super expensive crap skills such as Jabs, Hurricane, Caltrops, etc?
Heck I have zero cloak counters in my loadout, and I have zero issues with them because I use detection potions.
It's one of the easiest mechanics to counter in the game lol
rimmidimdim wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Come on, everybody who says use the counters to cloak is just trying to find some arguments why it's supposedly not overpowered. Cloak counters are super expensive crap skills most of the time. It is like the same people that look for excuses for the overperformance of bleed builds because you can use that 6k Magicka cleanse to remove them. Yeah...
Super expensive crap skills such as Jabs, Hurricane, Caltrops, etc?
Heck I have zero cloak counters in my loadout, and I have zero issues with them because I use detection potions.
It's one of the easiest mechanics to counter in the game lol
It’s very easy for us to tell the skill level of the NBs posting here by looking at what they consider a counter to cloak. if Jabs is pulling them out of cloak, it says far more about them than it does about cloak.
I wonder how many of these NBs are going to look back on these counters after they’ve spent time improving and think “wow I was really embarrassing myself with some of my posts. I can’t believe I was able to get killed so easily”
Hopefully some, at least.
Wait what? If I say Jabs are very difficult to my NB build I'm a bad player?
Now I understand that I'm not a cloak spamming NB but you make it sound like counters too cloak don't work. They do.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I break the cloak of Nb all the time on my stamplar its not hard.
jabs and hurricane is perfect for breaking cloak. we Dks sadly don't have such stuff. magDks do have a few AoE abilities(but they have other problems, like getting kited) but stamDks are stuck with noxious breath, which is a narrow cone and a very weak ability in general.
rimmidimdim wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Come on, everybody who says use the counters to cloak is just trying to find some arguments why it's supposedly not overpowered. Cloak counters are super expensive crap skills most of the time. It is like the same people that look for excuses for the overperformance of bleed builds because you can use that 6k Magicka cleanse to remove them. Yeah...
Super expensive crap skills such as Jabs, Hurricane, Caltrops, etc?
Heck I have zero cloak counters in my loadout, and I have zero issues with them because I use detection potions.
It's one of the easiest mechanics to counter in the game lol
It’s very easy for us to tell the skill level of the NBs posting here by looking at what they consider a counter to cloak. if Jabs is pulling them out of cloak, it says far more about them than it does about cloak.
I wonder how many of these NBs are going to look back on these counters after they’ve spent time improving and think “wow I was really embarrassing myself with some of my posts. I can’t believe I was able to get killed so easily”
Hopefully some, at least.
Wait what? If I say Jabs are very difficult to my NB build I'm a bad player?
Now I understand that I'm not a cloak spamming NB but you make it sound like counters too cloak don't work. They do.Ragnarock41 wrote: »I break the cloak of Nb all the time on my stamplar its not hard.
jabs and hurricane is perfect for breaking cloak. we Dks sadly don't have such stuff. magDks do have a few AoE abilities(but they have other problems, like getting kited) but stamDks are stuck with noxious breath, which is a narrow cone and a very weak ability in general.
Actually volatile armor is pretty good for breaking cloak. Problem is you run out of mag before they do.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
Finally some honesty! I think this is the only anti-cloak post that states why they truly have a problem with cloak- missing out on that guaranteed kill from the many many bad nb's that use it to escape certain death.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
Serious question @Seraphayel
What steps have you taken to adjust your build to deal with them?
The game offers plenty of counter play to a Nightblade if you're willing to adjust you build or use alternative consumables.
Most of the time when these threads come up the people complaining are upset their build doesn't work vs a Nightblade but are unwilling to actively work on countering one.
Additionally are you doing pre-made or PUG, if you're a pre-made are you watching each others backs or sharing out skills to counter them. Note if you have your own Nightblade you can also get revealing mark in there to mess with enemy Nightblades.
The problem with this approach is: Which other class requires mandatory counterplay measures that are also single purpose and make your build weaker against any target that is not the intended target of the counter?
The answer is none.
The problem is however that NB counterskills (outside of mark which is stupid in itself) are not good enough and as a result make you too vulnerable against other targets to warrant a permanent slot.
The problem is not that NBs are too strong - their intended counters just aren´t used bc they´re useless against everything else and you can´t afford to slot them.
Some would mention sorcs and shieldbreaker. Of course, that's not the kind of thing you mention in polite conversation, so I wouldn't dream of mentioning it.
I have no problem with stamblades/cloak. I have the tools to deal with them. I tend to have bigger problems with anything that reflects (looking at you DK's).. But its all down to build, and most builds should have a weakness (assuming the also have a strength).
MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »
If only they work at least 50% of the time. Between pathing issues, lag, targeting issues good luck. Most the time I have to hit 3-4 times to even move by then they are 2 streaks away and out of range of the gap closer.
Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
I agree. If they fail at the first time they're just cloaking and trying it again 5sec later when you're still out of ressources and can't just break free or roll dodge. That's my problem as well.
Granted that they're super strong on their first sneak attack but that they can try this multiple times in a row is a massive design flaw.
thankyourat wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
Well I bet you just hate magplars they literally wave their hands and reset fights over and over again. Just because you can see your opponent doesn't mean they can't reset fights.Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
I agree. If they fail at the first time they're just cloaking and trying it again 5sec later when you're still out of ressources and can't just break free or roll dodge. That's my problem as well.
Granted that they're super strong on their first sneak attack but that they can try this multiple times in a row is a massive design flaw.
This is a easy fix right here. Don't run out of resources.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
Finally some honesty! I think this is the only anti-cloak post that states why they truly have a problem with cloak- missing out on that guaranteed kill from the many many bad nb's that use it to escape certain death.
Bad nightblades use it to escape certain death, after a failed gank and good ones use it to make sure you're not going to even hit him. Its a problem at all skill levels.
thankyourat wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
Well I bet you just hate magplars they literally wave their hands and reset fights over and over again. Just because you can see your opponent doesn't mean they can't reset fights.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »just rinse repeat rinse repeat and rinse repeat till he wins, or his incap is up. both means a kill either way lol.
And this is the problem. No class should have the option to reset every fight multiple times. That's one reason why Streak got its cost increase.
This is why I want a cloak nerf instead of incap nerf. I have no issues with nightblades doing metric tons of damage, I do have issues with how cheap their playstyle is and how easy it is for them to survive. A failed assassin should suffer the consequences.
Finally some honesty! I think this is the only anti-cloak post that states why they truly have a problem with cloak- missing out on that guaranteed kill from the many many bad nb's that use it to escape certain death.
Bad nightblades use it to escape certain death, after a failed gank and good ones use it to make sure you're not going to even hit him. Its a problem at all skill levels.
Except every good nb I know kills you before you even know they're there and can respond with a single cloak.
How would changing cloak in any way prevent good nb's from doing this? Again, GOOD nb's aren't the ones resetting fights over and over until they wear you down, they don't need to.
So no, this is about missing out on killing bad nb's.
I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Using an ultimate to countering a spammable is not a good counter I think.
Also, most of the "counter" you list need to have the NB already visible, which is not "counter" for me/
The list I think is more about :
Mdk : Volatile Armor, Engulfing Flames
Mplar : sweep, purifying Light
Stamplar : jabls; POTL
Stam dk : ahahaahaha
Stamblade : Mark - sometime Steel tornado/Bombard.
Magblade : Mark
Magsorc : Streak, curse. (Why do you use Ice comet on magsorc ? Curious to know)
Stamsorc : Hurricane, Steel tornado
Stamden : shalks
Magden : shalks
The point you underline is almost everyone have an abiltiy able to reveal NOOBlade, and I agree with you most of people don't even try it.
The reality is that an experienced NB wll not be touched by 90% of these things, because good one don't move in front of them when invisible and so avoid AoE.
The real classes that have counter are :
Magsorc : streak and 3.5s curse is effective
Stamsorc : Hurricane/steel tornado radius is quite large
NB : piercing mark.
Other counter doesn't work against good NB, but it's funny agaisnt nooblades however.
ShadowMonarch wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Using an ultimate to countering a spammable is not a good counter I think.
Also, most of the "counter" you list need to have the NB already visible, which is not "counter" for me/
The list I think is more about :
Mdk : Volatile Armor, Engulfing Flames
Mplar : sweep, purifying Light
Stamplar : jabls; POTL
Stam dk : ahahaahaha
Stamblade : Mark - sometime Steel tornado/Bombard.
Magblade : Mark
Magsorc : Streak, curse. (Why do you use Ice comet on magsorc ? Curious to know)
Stamsorc : Hurricane, Steel tornado
Stamden : shalks
Magden : shalks
The point you underline is almost everyone have an abiltiy able to reveal NOOBlade, and I agree with you most of people don't even try it.
The reality is that an experienced NB wll not be touched by 90% of these things, because good one don't move in front of them when invisible and so avoid AoE.
The real classes that have counter are :
Magsorc : streak and 3.5s curse is effective
Stamsorc : Hurricane/steel tornado radius is quite large
NB : piercing mark.
Other counter doesn't work against good NB, but it's funny agaisnt nooblades however.
Ever heard of a DETECT POTION?
If using any of the abilitys he listed is too hard for you then give them a try it will let you see any nightblade in stealth for a extended period of time.
You're argument is coming down too basically you and your friend don't want to build to counter or learn counter play so you are crying in vein hoping that something will get nerfed simply because you do not want to put in the effort to play against it.
If nightblades really are the "majority" class like people keep crying about then you would think you guys would simply slot some counters to them and boom you would already counter this "majority" of players.
ShadowMonarch wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Using an ultimate to countering a spammable is not a good counter I think.
Also, most of the "counter" you list need to have the NB already visible, which is not "counter" for me/
The list I think is more about :
Mdk : Volatile Armor, Engulfing Flames
Mplar : sweep, purifying Light
Stamplar : jabls; POTL
Stam dk : ahahaahaha
Stamblade : Mark - sometime Steel tornado/Bombard.
Magblade : Mark
Magsorc : Streak, curse. (Why do you use Ice comet on magsorc ? Curious to know)
Stamsorc : Hurricane, Steel tornado
Stamden : shalks
Magden : shalks
The point you underline is almost everyone have an abiltiy able to reveal NOOBlade, and I agree with you most of people don't even try it.
The reality is that an experienced NB wll not be touched by 90% of these things, because good one don't move in front of them when invisible and so avoid AoE.
The real classes that have counter are :
Magsorc : streak and 3.5s curse is effective
Stamsorc : Hurricane/steel tornado radius is quite large
NB : piercing mark.
Other counter doesn't work against good NB, but it's funny agaisnt nooblades however.
Ever heard of a DETECT POTION?
If using any of the abilitys he listed is too hard for you then give them a try it will let you see any nightblade in stealth for a extended period of time.
You're argument is coming down too basically you and your friend don't want to build to counter or learn counter play so you are crying in vein hoping that something will get nerfed simply because you do not want to put in the effort to play against it.
If nightblades really are the "majority" class like people keep crying about then you would think you guys would simply slot some counters to them and boom you would already counter this "majority" of players.
ShadowMonarch wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Using an ultimate to countering a spammable is not a good counter I think.
Also, most of the "counter" you list need to have the NB already visible, which is not "counter" for me/
The list I think is more about :
Mdk : Volatile Armor, Engulfing Flames
Mplar : sweep, purifying Light
Stamplar : jabls; POTL
Stam dk : ahahaahaha
Stamblade : Mark - sometime Steel tornado/Bombard.
Magblade : Mark
Magsorc : Streak, curse. (Why do you use Ice comet on magsorc ? Curious to know)
Stamsorc : Hurricane, Steel tornado
Stamden : shalks
Magden : shalks
The point you underline is almost everyone have an abiltiy able to reveal NOOBlade, and I agree with you most of people don't even try it.
The reality is that an experienced NB wll not be touched by 90% of these things, because good one don't move in front of them when invisible and so avoid AoE.
The real classes that have counter are :
Magsorc : streak and 3.5s curse is effective
Stamsorc : Hurricane/steel tornado radius is quite large
NB : piercing mark.
Other counter doesn't work against good NB, but it's funny agaisnt nooblades however.
Ever heard of a DETECT POTION?
If using any of the abilitys he listed is too hard for you then give them a try it will let you see any nightblade in stealth for a extended period of time.
You're argument is coming down too basically you and your friend don't want to build to counter or learn counter play so you are crying in vein hoping that something will get nerfed simply because you do not want to put in the effort to play against it.
If nightblades really are the "majority" class like people keep crying about then you would think you guys would simply slot some counters to them and boom you would already counter this "majority" of players.
Keep calm, I main magicka sorcerer and I think I've the second best counter to cloak.
I didn't spoke about nerfing cloak.
You didn't read my post, if you get detect by every AoE of this game, then you seriously need to L2P.
Detect potion isn't a good counter, since the ennemy can still cloak and force miss on projectile.
The only real counter to cloak is piercing mark. (Didn't tried detect poison)
ShadowMonarch wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't get ganked and I rarely lose to nbs because I plan for them, which is why I don't have an issue with cloak.
We have different views on what makes a good nb. If you're losing to cloakers, you might want to adjust your build.
You just said everyone that isn't a stamblade should adjust their builds lol.
Most builds tend to have AoE skills that can be used to reveal NBs - I'm having no problems with that on any of my 10 characters.
mDK - Volatile Armor, Leap, Meteor, Engulfing Flames
magplar - Sweeps, Purifying Light, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
stamplar - Jabs, POTL, DBOS
stam DK - Steel Tornado, DBOS
stamblade - Piercing Mark, Steel Tornado, Bombard (bowblades)
magblade - Piercing Mark, Meteor, Tether
mag sorc - Streak, Curse, Ice Comet
stam sorc - Hurricane, Steel Tornado, DBOS
stam warden - Shalks, DBOS
mag warden - Shalks, Soul Assault to disable stealth for 2s
...and I've probably forgot quite a few. Inner Light (which quite a few builds run...) can also be used to prevent NB from stealthing if you're at (6m) melee range.
So I don't know where you get the idea that people need to adjust their builds, most builds already have tools to deal with cloak.
If there's any problem, it'd be that some NB builds are able to spam cloak longer than you can spam your AoEs, so you have to look at what enables that to find out what's wrong. Hint: it isn't cloak itself.
Using an ultimate to countering a spammable is not a good counter I think.
Also, most of the "counter" you list need to have the NB already visible, which is not "counter" for me/
The list I think is more about :
Mdk : Volatile Armor, Engulfing Flames
Mplar : sweep, purifying Light
Stamplar : jabls; POTL
Stam dk : ahahaahaha
Stamblade : Mark - sometime Steel tornado/Bombard.
Magblade : Mark
Magsorc : Streak, curse. (Why do you use Ice comet on magsorc ? Curious to know)
Stamsorc : Hurricane, Steel tornado
Stamden : shalks
Magden : shalks
The point you underline is almost everyone have an abiltiy able to reveal NOOBlade, and I agree with you most of people don't even try it.
The reality is that an experienced NB wll not be touched by 90% of these things, because good one don't move in front of them when invisible and so avoid AoE.
The real classes that have counter are :
Magsorc : streak and 3.5s curse is effective
Stamsorc : Hurricane/steel tornado radius is quite large
NB : piercing mark.
Other counter doesn't work against good NB, but it's funny agaisnt nooblades however.
Ever heard of a DETECT POTION?
If using any of the abilitys he listed is too hard for you then give them a try it will let you see any nightblade in stealth for a extended period of time.
You're argument is coming down too basically you and your friend don't want to build to counter or learn counter play so you are crying in vein hoping that something will get nerfed simply because you do not want to put in the effort to play against it.
If nightblades really are the "majority" class like people keep crying about then you would think you guys would simply slot some counters to them and boom you would already counter this "majority" of players.
Detection pot just turns a stamblade into a regular stam class wearing blessed meridia for 20s.
Stamblades who can't kite using the regular defensive mechanics available to ALL stam classes, combined with their classes natural defensive passives and the insane healing from crit heals while vanished, are not a benchmark for balance. The fact that so many bad playeres play stamblade because they are unable to be effective on other stam classes is indicative of how effective cloak is at the low end of the spectrum, but for good stamblades the skill is undeniably OP.
The sad truth is that the only counter to vanish is an AOE build, but the only counter to stam's natural kiting is a single target build. No player can run both and still expect to be competitive. *
*The exception would be stam sorcs who have hurricane and plenty of mobility and single target damage
Too many players who don't know how kite or LOS on stam are crutching on vanish. Yeah, for them it's not OP. But for decent players, it's absurdly OP.
Mag NB is fine because they can't kite indefinitely and the shade teleport is a mechanic for which counters DO exist.