Had a coach when I was boxing tell me to stop spamming jabs . Cross , hook , guard then jab when he's open . I wonder if he played PVP games . Anyways that's how you win in PVP too , not just spamming abilities . There are optimal rotations . The game was designed with skill in mind and Nick Konkle was very good at it . Good PVP players don't spam anything . Unless tired and Zerg surfing . The other half is gear issues all MMO games go through at end game . The problem with ESO PVP is lag . Lag and not enough investments .

@Taylor_MB ...wow, that was a serious next level response - well done indeed

shiningforce wrote: »

Now before I start I just wanted to say I really do like ESO for its other aspects of the game. PVE is fantastic and the Dungeons are fun to run through. Crafting is crafting and Housing needs a few fixes like more items to put into housing but other than that the game is solid..... until you hit PVP.

I have read countless articles on pvp and there are way too many people that dont like it. Zenimax doesnt seem to care honestly. The only people that seem to really love PVP are the ones with the higher gear sets and can One shot you EVERY TIME. These are the people that defend pvp on each thread. At least in games like SWO or WoW you can just show up and have a slight chance of success each time.

The issue with PVP in ESO is its not built for PVP in Mind! Every attack is basically automatic with no cooldowns or having to wait small durations like 1 1/2 seconds to shoot a magic spell like every other MMO. So all you have are ppl that get the highest level gear (Usually by purchasing it with RL money) and people that just start get Hit once blasted to death every time they spawn. Now there are a lot of builds you can use but everyone pretty much ends up with the same.

This is a gear driven pvp game and that royally sucks. Look I have played many MMO's since Everquest and have always been really good at PVP. But ESO is just nonsense. Even if someone has more gear than you, at least you should be able to use your skill against them. Nope because they ONE or TWO SHOT YOU!

The map is too long for raiding pvp. The Battleground are so lazily constructed, Run in a circle and capture flags..... You can't even pick the battleground you want, queing for random just stinks all by itself.

I do not see the appeal of PvP, Which is a real deal breaker for me, whenever better gear comes out everyone will run to get it. Didn't need to do that in other MMO's, Honestly it really falls on the combat system itself, I know its made for PC and Console but only 5 /10 buttons which you switch from and all attacks are automatic is ridiculous.

Spam spam spam, have top gear, spam. No skill involved. Its pretty lackluster.

Anyway its just my Opinion if you love it thats nice but after taking years of looking at the comments sections of people tlaking about PvP its obvious for many reasons its broke. This is also a reason many people end up leaving this game, The combat system needs to be fixed, We were originally told this game wouldnt be like it is now, that is would be fair to players. Anyone should be able to come into pvp and have a chance at Fun and succeeding a bit.

If I misspelled anything/grammar issues sorry English is not my first language.

Dc And Ad are a joke

If we're telling PVP jokes, here's one that can be applied to any alliance:



If we're just complaining about PVP, I'm going to let you all complain about what you don't like. See, I like playing objective-based PVP in Cyrodiil with an organized group, so the majority of the complaints here have no impact on my enjoyment of PVP.

I'm just going to leave this here... of what I thought eso PvP was in 2014.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player


PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other. PvP is often controversial when used in role-playing games. In most cases, there are vast differences in abilities between experienced and novice players. PvP can even encourage experienced players to immediately attack and kill inexperienced players. PvP is sometimes called player killing.

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It's gotten so bad that inexperienced players for 2 years has been complaining to the point of no return. ESO PVP died when "Tam One" came out, and it won't get any better.

Oh wait did you guys think this would turn into an Esport keep dreaming.

Good talk !

Also, if you are being one shot... you are the problem, not the guy one shotting you.

You need to improve your build and your skills. PM me if you genuinely want to improve, I can get you pointed in the right direction if you are willing to learn and not complain.

VaranisArano wrote: »

If we're telling PVP jokes, here's one that can be applied to any alliance:



If we're just complaining about PVP, I'm going to let you all complain about what you don't like. See, I like playing objective-based PVP in Cyrodiil with an organized group, so the majority of the complaints here have no impact on my enjoyment of PVP.

This is where I stopped reading.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the end all be all answer

Lmfao

what a good and 100% right answer of @Taylor_MB im impressed *_*

also like the part with: "you should probably play more pvp and read less about it" XDDD lold today morning in my office rly hard

but its true!

I started pvping, at a time when people didnt go to online sites to get their gear and skill info. You did it yourself. I might just be set in my ways but if you have to go to youtube and other sites for info on your character build whats the point if its too complicated for you. To pretend your good at playing this game when your copying others and its gear based? I miss when MMO's were more about communities, most likely why survival games have become more popular.

Turelus, I understand what you're saying and thank you for the reply.

shiningforce wrote: »

I just let the comments flow in after I made my initial Post. Came back to see the obvious, people calling the OP discussion salty, You would think after reading my post that yes I dont like PvP much in this game. So thank you Obvious people.

Sorry but my initial comments really do stand. I am not new to PvP, so please dont pretend you know me (some of you) . This eso version is just a grind to get the best gear to win. Nobody even said the word skill in a rebuttal which is really sad, there is no skill involved. Most people dont like pvp in eso, only the people with higher gear and - -- - Honestly did someone just tell me to go to Youtube? Is that where you are all getting your info? Just like I was saying builds are all taken from other builds, Lol someone actually told me they are good at pvp, yet they use youtube to figure out how to Pvp, the gear etc LOL ridiculous.

So I did actually play my friends character with much better gear whos been playing for a lot longer than I. Bone pirate and Blood something set, He is playing the same class just different race, same weapons. So checked he had all the skills up to the top and used the exact same skills I was using before and I was destroying people. Honestly you can't tell me this game is not gear based and is about skill. Its quite BS.

Thanks for some of the nicer responses, to the children honestly I could give two flying %()%@ at this point. Thanks Taylor for your honesty , except for the parts in which you cut my sentences apart/ Short to make it look like I said something else when I actually didn't.... I'll stick to PvE oh here, then PvP in Ark, whatever works right?

Glad some enjoy it, now you can enjoy saying im salty, while hypocritically being salty that I am salty about your beloved pvp.

Frankly, I've seen so many complaint posts about PVP in which people complain about their pet issues that I'm about to stop bothering to reply. But since you complained that no one thinks its a skill based game and its mostly gear...

Let me tell you about my blazeplar.

Pre-Morrowind, the forums and the game were all up in arms about the blazeplar. High health Magplars using blazing shield to just wreck massive amounts of players' day. The build wasn't that difficult, so I grabbed the gear, and tried it out. I wasn't a complete noob at PVP, being reasonably good at my MAgDK healer and I knew how to find fights in Cyrodiil, the sort of fights were a Blazeplar should have been OP. But I didn't really know how to play my Magplar.

And, uh, how do you think that worked out for me? If you thought "probably not very well," you'd be right. I sucked. I had all the ingredients for success. I had the right gear, I had the right skills, I had even a decent understanding of the tactics required to pull it off, but I had none of the practiced skill that goes into making a build work. The result was exactly what you'd expect if you handled a random PVP player a top-of-the-line "overperforming" meta build and said "go get 'em!" and that player had no experience and no skill with that build. I was laughable as a Blazeplar. Had I continued to practice and hone my skill, I would have gotten better at it. I just chose to focus on my healer who was considerably less gimmicky.

Even now, I'm learning to play a Stam Warden. I've been playing on Stam Warden for about a month, lieutenant rank already, and I'm still learning. I'm still gaining skill with the character, for all that I'm a much more experienced PVPer now than I was when I made that Blazeplar. For everyone who claims that gear and class is all you need to succeed, you'd be able to tell the difference between me still gaining skill on a Stam Warden and players who have much more skill with a stam warden. You'd be able to tell the difference betwen us and a total newbie as well. I kill a lot of people with that Stam Warden, I'm even say I'm reasonably skilled with my build and my class right now, but the best part about experience is you learn how far you have to go and how much you don't know. I've got the experience to see that I am still learning and still have to gain skill even though I'm reasonably proficient and get plenty of kills. I've got my gear and build now. There's still a huge skill difference between a reasonably proficient stam warden and a good or great stam warden, and I'm fully aware of the difference. The only solution is for me to practice and gain skill.

In my experience, PVP in Cyrodiil is at least 75% skill. Skill at staying alive, skill at fighting, skill at understanding the map. If you don't understand your class, if you don't understand your build, if you don't understand how your class and your build is successful at fights and avoiding death, then you will not be a successful PVP player in Cyrodiil. You can muddle along and hang on the coattails of organized groups and make good AP without being a skilled player, that's true and I'm fine with that. How do you think I started out in PVP? Everyone has to learn somewhere. But becoming a good PVP player is absolutely about a very long learning curve of gaining skill as a player understanding how to PVP and as someone playing your particular class/build.

TLDR: Give an inexperienced player a meta build and gear, and they'll play like as inexperienced player. I've been that inexperienced player. Experience and skill takes practice. Being good or great instead of reasonably proficient takes skill and practice.

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

1 year from now hopefully I will not see the same posts by the same people. Progression should be in every game.

A year ago, I was timidly getting my feet wet in PVP, barely able to stray from the zerg without getting killed in a few hits. Now, I'm stealth flagging keeps, soloing resources and occasionally leading PUG groups around Cyrodiil.

Progression is in the eye of the beholder.

I too think PvP is too gear-dependant, but I don't think how it can be better honestly.
I mean, the combat/attack system in ESO - Skills are Spammable with Light/Heavy Attack Weaving, allowing sudden burst of damage in flashy glitched-like animation.
And how the most attacks hit - they hit 100% auto-aimed. If several people start firing at you you're likely dead. Arrows & Fireballs have brains.

I think the unpleasant-ness of ESO PvP is due to the mechanics of the game itself. Which can't just be fixed in a few patches.