ESO PVP is a Joke < ! >

VaranisArano

Eremith wrote: »

Hehe... I constantly die in IC from Surprise Attack spamming gankers, constantly die from Templars, constantly die from DKs...
I've tried to wear 5H-2L, 5L-2H, 7H, 7L, Rattlecage, Shacklebraker, War Maiden, Warlock, Seducer (all purple with golden glyphs), I've tried Impen+Infused on Head/Chest/Legs and tried all Impen, I've tried gold weapons Sharpened, Defending, with Oblivion damage glyphs, I've tried Sword&Board, Dual Swords, Destro & Resto staff, I've tried busrt damage setups and tanky setups, I've watched some MagWarden PvP builds on Alcast, Deltia and here on the forums, I've tried to use all defensive and healing skills I have but...
They still kill me in like I'm wear some random quest gear and I have no clue what's going on.
Maybe it's MagWarden itself, maybe it's my crappy internet (300-900 ping), maybe it's me so dumb.

If that's happening in various kinds of gear, the gear isn't going to make a difference. It sounds like you aren't dying because you lack in gear, it sounds like you are dying to experienced players. You'll need to gain in experience yourself to beat them.

Having you tried dueling? Dueling is an effective way to practice your 1v1 skills and fighting under pressure. If you can find partners that are willing to give you advice on improving your tactics and fighting their class, that may be the most efficient to better your fighting skills against nightblades, templars, and DKs.

Mr_Gallows

Eremith wrote: »

Hehe... I constantly die in IC from Surprise Attack spamming gankers, constantly die from Templars, constantly die from DKs...
I've tried to wear 5H-2L, 5L-2H, 7H, 7L, Rattlecage, Shacklebraker, War Maiden, Warlock, Seducer (all purple with golden glyphs), I've tried Impen+Infused on Head/Chest/Legs and tried all Impen, I've tried gold weapons Sharpened, Defending, with Oblivion damage glyphs, I've tried Sword&Board, Dual Swords, Destro & Resto staff, I've tried busrt damage setups and tanky setups, I've watched some MagWarden PvP builds on Alcast, Deltia and here on the forums, I've tried to use all defensive and healing skills I have but...
They still kill me in like I'm wear some random quest gear and I have no clue what's going on.
Maybe it's MagWarden itself, maybe it's my crappy internet (300-900 ping), maybe it's me so dumb.

No it's not you, it's the nature of the game. You need to exploit the flaws in the animation system, the lag etc. What you see as instant damage, shouldn't be. Macros make this very easy, so the skillrequirement becomes selecting Macro 1-4 depending on situation. Healing, buff rotation done through macros is also very simple.

Datthaw

Thogard wrote: »

This thread:

Lol

Ermiq

VaranisArano wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

Hehe... I constantly die in IC from Surprise Attack spamming gankers, constantly die from Templars, constantly die from DKs...
I've tried to wear 5H-2L, 5L-2H, 7H, 7L, Rattlecage, Shacklebraker, War Maiden, Warlock, Seducer (all purple with golden glyphs), I've tried Impen+Infused on Head/Chest/Legs and tried all Impen, I've tried gold weapons Sharpened, Defending, with Oblivion damage glyphs, I've tried Sword&Board, Dual Swords, Destro & Resto staff, I've tried busrt damage setups and tanky setups, I've watched some MagWarden PvP builds on Alcast, Deltia and here on the forums, I've tried to use all defensive and healing skills I have but...
They still kill me in like I'm wear some random quest gear and I have no clue what's going on.
Maybe it's MagWarden itself, maybe it's my crappy internet (300-900 ping), maybe it's me so dumb.

If that's happening in various kinds of gear, the gear isn't going to make a difference. It sounds like you aren't dying because you lack in gear, it sounds like you are dying to experienced players. You'll need to gain in experience yourself to beat them.

Having you tried dueling? Dueling is an effective way to practice your 1v1 skills and fighting under pressure. If you can find partners that are willing to give you advice on improving your tactics and fighting their class, that may be the most efficient to better your fighting skills against nightblades, templars, and DKs.

It's not like they fight with me and win. It's kinda like... I stand somewhere, -bam!- I'm stunned, NB makes a couple of slices while I press RMB+LMB, then he bash me and -poof! - I'm dead. Or I see someone attacks me from behind with ForceShock, I turn around and I'm already 50% HP, then he attacks again and I forced to switch on my shields/buffs bar and -poof!- I'm dead. Or another example: I fight some mobs (it's very easy to fight with them so I kinda relaxed) and then I see some arrows flying to me from the side, I turn around and see 5 or 8 fire arrows hitting me one by one in 1 second and my HP is going down, I can't even put some shield on, I just die in this arrow flood.

It's me died in all heavy with 25K phys.def. and 20K mag.def. (30K/25K when buff from Winter's Embrace enabled), 24K HP, 996 crit.dmg.mitigation.

Datthaw

Eremith wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

Hehe... I constantly die in IC from Surprise Attack spamming gankers, constantly die from Templars, constantly die from DKs...
I've tried to wear 5H-2L, 5L-2H, 7H, 7L, Rattlecage, Shacklebraker, War Maiden, Warlock, Seducer (all purple with golden glyphs), I've tried Impen+Infused on Head/Chest/Legs and tried all Impen, I've tried gold weapons Sharpened, Defending, with Oblivion damage glyphs, I've tried Sword&Board, Dual Swords, Destro & Resto staff, I've tried busrt damage setups and tanky setups, I've watched some MagWarden PvP builds on Alcast, Deltia and here on the forums, I've tried to use all defensive and healing skills I have but...
They still kill me in like I'm wear some random quest gear and I have no clue what's going on.
Maybe it's MagWarden itself, maybe it's my crappy internet (300-900 ping), maybe it's me so dumb.

If that's happening in various kinds of gear, the gear isn't going to make a difference. It sounds like you aren't dying because you lack in gear, it sounds like you are dying to experienced players. You'll need to gain in experience yourself to beat them.

Having you tried dueling? Dueling is an effective way to practice your 1v1 skills and fighting under pressure. If you can find partners that are willing to give you advice on improving your tactics and fighting their class, that may be the most efficient to better your fighting skills against nightblades, templars, and DKs.

It's not like they fight with me and win. It's kinda like... I stand somewhere, -bam!- I'm stunned, NB makes a couple of slices while I press RMB+LMB, then he bash me and -poof! - I'm dead. Or I see someone attacks me from behind with ForceShock, I turn around and I'm already 50% HP, then he attacks again and I forced to switch on my shields/buffs bar and -poof!- I'm dead. Or another example: I fight some mobs (it's very easy to fight with them so I kinda relaxed) and then I see some arrows flying to me from the side, I turn around and see 5 or 8 fire arrows hitting me one by one in 1 second and my HP is going down, I can't even put some shield on, I just die in this arrow flood.

It's me died in all heavy with 25K phys.def. and 20K mag.def. (30K/25K when buff from Winter's Embrace enabled), 24K HP, 996 crit.dmg.mitigation.

I don't see anything crazy there...do I dare say it... something with a l and also a 2 and then a p

IZZEFlameLash

Lol, looks like it is just a normal death recap. Nothing out of ordinary. Maybe lag. I lag out like 90% of the fights which means I end up spamming wrong skill for a bit or find myself suddenly dead cuz of lag. I see nothing suspicious there.

exiars10

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Hate to break it to you. If you are looking for meaningful competitive skill-based PvP in a MMO. Be prepared to be completely disappointed.

One and one reason only.

Balance don't make sells in MMOs. it's unbalanced classes, races, and gear that you get which makes MMO teams their money.

Imagine if MMOs was as skill-based as MOBAs, Shooters, or Battle Royale type games. How would MMO teams convince you to keep buying expansions and race changes, and re roll to another class to convince you to buy cash shop mount/bag upgrades, if everything was balanced and competitive? They wouldn't be able to because you would be happy if everything was balanced, so no reason for you to buy these things for multiple characters.

Honestly the MMORPG genre is the objectively one of the worst genres for decent PvP. If you are only into gaming for PvP stay far far away from MMOs. Their whole market pitch is to create imbalancement, in order to get you to spend your money. In order to be competitive with the current imbalanced META.

This is now how MMO companies operate these days. All MMOs are nothing then balent cash grabs these days. You are just choosing which version of cash grab, you want to deal with.You want meaningful competitive skill-based PvP you are going to have to look at another genre.

Are you saying that Dota 2 and LoL are balanced and competitive?
Are you saying CS: GO is balanced and for example CoD BO II (my last CoD)?

You have no idea what are you typing. Just random baseless hate.

NyassaV

Taylor_MB wrote: »

shiningforce wrote: »

This is a gear driven pvp game and that royally sucks. Look I have played many MMO's since Everquest and have always been really good at PVP. But ESO is just nonsense.

Incorrect.
Any experienced PvP'er will tell you their specific gear only makes them 5-10% more "effective" then the (usually) easy to obtain meta build. In my opinion; PvP is 50% experience, 40% skill and 10% sets.

shiningforce wrote: »

whenever better gear comes out everyone will run to get it.

Incorrect.
MagSorc - no updated sets since 1T - still wrecks
MagPlar - runs Julianos - still wrecks
MagDK - updated Morrowwind - still wrecks

Depending on what you are doing sets are more important than skill. And skill vastly out does experience. I have killed people that have PvPed since launch and I've only been serious about it for about 6 ish months now

I even use Juli on Magblade

Azurya

Mr_Gallows

I think the balance between the classes is just fine in eso. That's not where the problem is.

Regen itself is overpowered for anyone who specs for it and anyone who does not can forget about serious PvP. This is a flaw in the base design and not a class balance issue.

The ratio between damage and healing is off. Slower healing could mean more controlled damage. There is too much healing over time and healing in general is too much.

The stats of armor, damage, critical damage, penetration and impenetrable are all over the place.

There is much freedom of gear, sets etc. in ESO - but if you're serious about PvP - not so much.

The developers should normalize stats, sets and bonuses to create a more controlled build spectrum in terms of stat and power, so all sets become viable.

Regen should just be a set number only influenced by passive skills, because it is one of the biggest issues and the reason for several nerfs. This way dodge/block could be balanced and powerful.

The next is the amount of aoe. Too much of it. Aoe just doesn't require the same amount of skill as aimed single target attacks. Cut down on aoe and put some casting time restrictions on aoe so it requires more skill.

Pijng

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

There is much freedom of gear, sets etc. in ESO - but if you're serious about PvP - not so much.

Small clarification – same goes to serious/competitive PvE too.
Just saying.

Mr_Gallows

Pijng wrote: »

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

There is much freedom of gear, sets etc. in ESO - but if you're serious about PvP - not so much.

Small clarification – same goes to serious/competitive PvE too.
Just saying.

Yes sorry, it's a general issue, but for PvE it's always less of a toxic issue - but you are right.

VaranisArano

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

There is much freedom of gear, sets etc. in ESO - but if you're serious about PvP - not so much.

Small clarification – same goes to serious/competitive PvE too.
Just saying.

Yes sorry, it's a general issue, but for PvE it's always less of a toxic issue - but you are right.

Strangely, the dungeon and trials bosses don't come to the forums to complain about toxic gear combos, so it always catches the PVEers by surprise when ZOS nerfs one of their sets.

Maybe those bosses should form a union.

Azurya

if you run Meta or not is up to you

and you can be good without going meta

I run 8 different builds in Cyrodil and none of them is meat, not even my NB-ganker and is still able to take you down, before you know what is happening.
It is really up to you what you wanna do, I stopped farming gear, cauzed it didn´t made fun anymore
and being off-meta brings more freedom
ofc you should know your class very, very good, and then off you go

technohic

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

There is much freedom of gear, sets etc. in ESO - but if you're serious about PvP - not so much.

Small clarification – same goes to serious/competitive PvE too.
Just saying.

Yes sorry, it's a general issue, but for PvE it's always less of a toxic issue - but you are right.

Are you sure? Pretty sure if you PUG a PVE group in sub optimal gear as a sorc healer; you’d get more hate than PUGing in a PVP pick up group. You’ll be a potato but welcome in the Zerg.

Mr_Gallows

technohic wrote: »

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

There is much freedom of gear, sets etc. in ESO - but if you're serious about PvP - not so much.

Small clarification – same goes to serious/competitive PvE too.
Just saying.

Yes sorry, it's a general issue, but for PvE it's always less of a toxic issue - but you are right.

Are you sure? Pretty sure if you PUG a PVE group in sub optimal gear as a sorc healer; you’d get more hate than PUGing in a PVP pick up group. You’ll be a potato but welcome in the Zerg.

Well the complaining about peoples builds, PvE or PvP, is just a symptom.

Honghua

I agree with the OP in this thread.

The combat in this game is too fast in PVP and it does not work as it supposed to be, and a single little lag could kill you in a half of second, this is ridiculous. Someone with strict perfect build will kill you in 1 second, and so could stand a 1 vs 2-5 fight against some people.

Saying op to "git gut" will not fix the issue of incredibly high skill cap, this game pvp is non existent and tell me whatever you want, but its a pure fact. Only because there is 10% of the playerbase that is playing it doesnt mean it is in fine state.
There is no literal balance between classes and Sets, most of the sets in pvp is useless and this is really bad design decision. If you have to spend countless amount of hours in order to build a strict number dictated build with parser in order to play and have fun from pvp then there is a big freaking problem.
In other games you are not required to be a parser master and library game knowledge to enjoy the pvp, in this game you have to, this is disgusting and hate on me whatever you want, PVP IN THIS GAME SUCKS for anyone who does not have 20 hours a day to play this stupid game.

Nyladreas

Nice Necro...

ATomiX96

the problem is: we dont need more QQ threads like these, zos is aware that something with their game isnt right when everyone is whining about a certain aspect of the game.

what we need: official statement from ZOS adressing the current state of pvp and a approximate date when changes are comming

the second problem is: zos doesnt give a *** about pvp as it doesnt give them the casuals money, so if youre looking for something competetive either play pve on high level or just abandon eso youre better off without it anyways.

DemonDruaga

There are people buying gear with rl money oO?
It's mind numbing easy to get pvp gear. Most sets can be farmed within a few dungeon runs. In the beginning it sucked hard to get gear, but right now it is very easy and friendly to be honest.
Need a world boss drop? Get your lazy team mates to kill it with you, more people the higher the chance to get it.
If I need something I ask my guildies for a few mins lof their time and thats it.

Heimpai

I don’t have the best gear.. but the difference between being good or bad was not my gear set it was my lack of pvp knowledge..now I’m good at pvp as long as i stay in non cp content

evoniee

in 2k18, people rant in forum instead learning the actual game rofl.
there is some balance issues but its seems op didnt even trying to be better at his/her gameplay.

fred4

Sorry, I can take neither the OP nor this necromancer seriously. You cannot spend RL money to gain an advantage in PvP. Best you can do is get some time-savers for nice-to-have things, such as riding lessons.

What you do need is a lot of time for levelling your character and learning about the game. A single player cannot truly one shot you, if you are half decent and/or you run a tanky build. Yes, your build and the sets you wear are important. There are practical in-game-economic reasons why you might not want to PvP before CP160. It is the first time when you can invest in gear that will last you, and you are more likely to have enough skill points to cover all the passives you need.

There isn't a single build that fully levelled players use to one shot everyone else. In fact, the variety of builds and playstyles is arguably greater in PvP than in high-end PvE, the current popularity of Sloads notwithstanding. If there is one problem that will catch you out, it is the depth of the game. Advanced PvPers often have multiple characters. They understand the different classes, because they have probably played most of them. Best way to start learning about PvP is to duel other players, IMO.

Swimguy

honestly we need a movement speed reduction in PvP

SshadowSscale

Wait....gear makes OP.....nah...I played a death match bg on my sorc the other day with cp 140 blue quality julianos and three will power jewelry (two pieces had stam recovery enchant lol) and I think it was one piece molag kena with max health enchant and one ice heart.... we won the bg march and I had 20 kills for 2 deaths.....sry mate gear aint all its cracked up to be...

fred4

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Wait....gear makes OP.....nah...I played a death match bg on my sorc the other day with cp 140 blue quality julianos and three will power jewelry (two pieces had stam recovery enchant lol) and I think it was one piece molag kena with max health enchant and one ice heart.... we won the bg march and I had 20 kills for 2 deaths.....sry mate gear aint all its cracked up to be...

I suppose you didn't stop to think that that stam recovery saved your bacon ?

WeylandLabs

This isn't an Esport people calm down. RNG and guitar hero fighting isnt a skill so stop complaining.

I know your disappointed let save you the time wait till it's over to come back to eso we got 3 to 4 years left. Then after ZOS is done with it maybe another company will fix the PvP portion of it.

Until then it's hopeless until es6 comes out and im 99% sure they wont have pvp in that. You are all wasting your time in PvP just quest and stick to RP and trials.

Durham

Cernow wrote: »

PvP in this game is fundamentally broken. That's not to say there's no fun to be had, but it could and should be so much better Battlegrounds are just the same tedious fare that they are in every MMO. But Cyrodiil could be and should be so much more, if only it wasn't so broken and imbalanced. The main issues are:

1) Way too gear dependant. This alone breaks PvP, but then there's everything else ...

2) Class and build balance is shockingly bad. It's never easy in any MMO, but ESO is worse than most. I don't think the devs have much of a clue at this point and just seem to knee jerk nerf all the time. And of course CPs just make balance so much worse in the campaigns where they are active.

3) Use of exploits and cheats. This isn't policed properly, period.

4) Animation cancelling. Why is this even a thing? Laughable in a game of this calibre.

5) Certain addons which whilst legal are borderline cheating and don't help create good gameplay.

6) Crowd control is a mess. Hard to even know where to start with this one and the devs certainly don't have a clue.

7) Cross realming is rife in Cyrodiil campaigns. Hard to control in any MMO with factions, but ESO doesn't even bother by letting people switch sides in the same campaign with ease (if they have alts of different factions).

8) Lag and eternal loading screens in Cyrodiil, 'nuff said.

People will tell you it's all about skill but it really isn't. Yes there's some basics to learn and battlefield awareness does help a fair bit. And of course having a good team around you will always help. But beyond that it's just down to gear, build and whether someone has no shame when it comes to cheesing the game mechanics and using dubious addons and exploits.

Game performance under load is the single biggest factor atm.. More people complain about this aspect... You can't PVP effectively in high latency...

Gprime31

Zo$ makes 0 $$$$ from pvp
Question answered

D0PAMINE

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Wait....gear makes OP.....nah...I played a death match bg on my sorc the other day with cp 140 blue quality julianos and three will power jewelry (two pieces had stam recovery enchant lol) and I think it was one piece molag kena with max health enchant and one ice heart.... we won the bg march and I had 20 kills for 2 deaths.....sry mate gear aint all its cracked up to be...

That stam recovery is nice when you breakin free