WillhelmBlack wrote: »Great news!
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Magicka templars already have most attacks undodgeable in every build
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Dont forget the stupid magDK perma block dots... how u supposed to fight this in med armor?
AS ZOS annouced yesterday in eso live,
Heavy armor wont be able to use shuffle skill anymore, Which is a good thing. - Only if u wear 5 pieces of medium armor.
But i bet u forgot "Double Take " / "Blur" NB skill, what about it? I bet its going to work with heavy,
Gratz ZOS, ure just going to make heavy armor nb more broken than it is in the last few patch.
How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
Why stamina getting nerfed patch after patch, but magicka builds remain untouched??
Dont forget the "low cost" of Shuffle on heavy, 4.2k stamina cost pretty must *** up ur resources.
Do i even have the option now to 1 vs x, or small scale as stam player if im not a nb or a sorc? let the snare games begin.
How classes deals with snares open world -
Stam nb > Cloak
Stam Sorc > Streak
Stam Templar > Prufiy
Stam warden > Major exp wings + 15% less snare passive (lols)
Stam dk > ??????? Perma block???
scipionumatia wrote: »I think the change in itself is good.
I think the timing is bad.
Should have come earlier and would have made some morrowind changes obsolete.
The change is good, but the benefits other classes gain from it, is pissing me off.
I'm not sure stam dk can get more nerfs anymore, they touched everything.
Completely agree. I don't mind the change either but dk is so slow as it is, if you take away our ability to remove snare we're ***
How classes deals with Snares, CC in open world
Stam nb > Cloak
Stam Sorc > Streak
Stam Templar > Prufiy
Stam warden > Major exp wings + 15% less snare passive (lols)
Stam dk > ??????? Perma block???Wow guys did you hear that? HEAVY ARMOR NIGHTBLADES ARE OP!!! /sarcasm
This post is a joke mate.
Your'e the joke mate, come EU PC.. me and my friends will gladly show u.
Try legion + ravager + BS / Troll king / 1 kena 1 bs... not that i expect that a casual like u can sustain that , but go ahead.IxSTALKERxI wrote: »If you really want your evasion you can always have a pocket healer with you running gossamer lol.
Also forward momentum is far better for removing snares than shuffle.
Also keep in mind stamina is being buffed in other ways... 2h asylum weapons for example. Also incoming destro ult nerf etc.
Do i look like a player who rely on my group?
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Dont forget the stupid magDK perma block dots... how u supposed to fight this in med armor?
Stop being bad.
The amount of crying in this thread is almost amazing.
I play a heavy armor stamina NB mostly solo or very small groups and I approve this change. It gives a reason to wear medium. People mitigating damage and being able to dodge the rest of it passively is not ok. As a NB my bars are full of skills I really need and evade isn’t one of them.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Dont forget the stupid magDK perma block dots... how u supposed to fight this in med armor?
Stop being bad.
The amount of crying in this thread is almost amazing.
I play a heavy armor stamina NB mostly solo or very small groups and I approve this change. It gives a reason to wear medium. People mitigating damage and being able to dodge the rest of it passively is not ok. As a NB my bars are full of skills I really need and evade isn’t one of them.
That's hilarious )
Joy_Division wrote: »I don;t understand the complaints.
One of the criticisms about heavy armor in PvP was that it was too strong because it could incorporate Shuffle into their builds/defenses. And, by the way, a fair amount of light armor (and heavy for that matter) magicka users also put Shuffle on their bars because its such a strong skill. Now only medium users can use the skill, which is probably how it should have been.
As far as NBs being the only class that can get major evasion on heavy armor, Good! That's great. This is one tiny tiny step going back to the games origins where being a class mattered, being a certain class allowed people to do unique things and have distinctive buffs, rather than generic bonuses/conditions available to everyone. We need more of this sort of thing, not less.
The only thing Wrobel forgot was to re-work the Elude morph, now that it's pretty much pointless since the base skill requires 5 medium pieces.
I really like those changes, ppl suggested this before.
About nb's major evasion, i would change it to minor. And buff other part of skill a little. Imo this would fix problem with only heavy nb having evasion. About mobility, u need to choose, either u run medium and can run shuffle, or u're tankier in heavy, but vulnerable to slows. Or run forward momentum, and boost your healing in other way. Making choices is good in pvp, u cant have averything.
Joy_Division wrote: »I don;t understand the complaints.
One of the criticisms about heavy armor in PvP was that it was too strong because it could incorporate Shuffle into their builds/defenses. And, by the way, a fair amount of light armor (and heavy for that matter) magicka users also put Shuffle on their bars because its such a strong skill. Now only medium users can use the skill, which is probably how it should have been.
As far as NBs being the only class that can get major evasion on heavy armor, Good! That's great. This is one tiny tiny step going back to the games origins where being a class mattered, being a certain class allowed people to do unique things and have distinctive buffs, rather than generic bonuses/conditions available to everyone. We need more of this sort of thing, not less.
The only thing Wrobel forgot was to re-work the Elude morph, now that it's pretty much pointless since the base skill requires 5 medium pieces.
This. People have been calling for this change for months. Now that it’s here, only complaints. IMO most or all of these changes are in the right direction. Plus they’re talking about lookin at he strength of EOTS. Awesome. For once they actually seem to be trying to make PvP about skill and choice and not just about stacking every OP skill you can manage.
AS ZOS annouced yesterday in eso live,
Heavy armor wont be able to use shuffle skill anymore, Which is a good thing. - Only if u wear 5 pieces of medium armor.
But i bet u forgot "Double Take " / "Blur" NB skill, what about it? I bet its going to work with heavy,
Gratz ZOS, ure just going to make heavy armor nb more broken than it is in the last few patch.
How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
Why stamina getting nerfed patch after patch, but magicka builds remain untouched??
Dont forget the "low cost" of Shuffle on heavy, 4.2k stamina cost pretty must *** up ur resources.
Do i even have the option now to 1 vs x, or small scale as stam player if im not a nb or a sorc? let the snare games begin.
How classes deals with snares open world -
Stam nb > Cloak
Stam Sorc > Streak
Stam Templar > Prufiy
Stam warden > Major exp wings + 15% less snare passive (lols)
Stam dk > ??????? Perma block???
You don't need shuffle on HA build, it is not mandatory at all. I play without it on stam DK, for about 1 year now, and feeling just fine. Forward Momentum - is your skill of the day.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Dont forget the stupid magDK perma block dots... how u supposed to fight this in med armor?
Stop being bad.
The amount of crying in this thread is almost amazing.
Youre saying crying cuz simply ur main char is one, or ure just f*** blind...
I wanna see how med armor can survive vs those, show me.I play a heavy armor stamina NB mostly solo or very small groups and I approve this change. It gives a reason to wear medium. People mitigating damage and being able to dodge the rest of it passively is not ok. As a NB my bars are full of skills I really need and evade isn’t one of them.
AGAIN, no1 cares about the 15% lame dodge chance, i care about the snare removal. its pissing me off that heavy nb can still go away with it, but still, main problem is when u solo as a STAMDK, u cant remove the snares / cc that u get constantly every 2 seconds. (if not less)
That's hilarious )
The only thing that is hilarious is the amount of times u tryharded / tried to kill me and failed. Maybe that will teach u how important shuffle is.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
That's exactly what I think too. This change is so outrageous magicka favoured and won't really help out medium armor against Skoria, Soul Strike, Leap, Pigeons and all this undodgeable nonsense. Magicka temp/dk/nb/warden will just roll over medium armor builds with laughter now (in both, heavy and light armor - there's no way that medium can compete with light armor).
And yeah, stamnb will be ahead of other stam classes.
Dont forget the stupid magDK perma block dots... how u supposed to fight this in med armor?
Stop being bad.
The amount of crying in this thread is almost amazing.
Youre saying crying cuz simply ur main char is one, or ure just f*** blind...
I wanna see how med armor can survive vs those, show me.I play a heavy armor stamina NB mostly solo or very small groups and I approve this change. It gives a reason to wear medium. People mitigating damage and being able to dodge the rest of it passively is not ok. As a NB my bars are full of skills I really need and evade isn’t one of them.
AGAIN, no1 cares about the 15% lame dodge chance, i care about the snare removal. its pissing me off that heavy nb can still go away with it, but still, main problem is when u solo as a STAMDK, u cant remove the snares / cc that u get constantly every 2 seconds. (if not less)
That's hilarious )
The only thing that is hilarious is the amount of times u tryharded / tried to kill me and failed. Maybe that will teach u how important shuffle is.
I don't know who you are to be honest
But what I do know, that you have lack of game knowledge, since after so many people already gave you a very fat hint how to remove snares without shuffle (cough*frwrdmmntm...), and you still in hysterics regarding the fact you won't be able to use shuffle with heavy. Sad.
Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.