Drakkdjinn wrote: »RIP snare counterplay.
Preview of Cyrodiil gameplay:
Maybe this is their roundabount way of dealing with cyro lag -- if half the population is snared, everyone's character will run at the same speed as ZoS' servers.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.
I use blur too, mirage specifically. Forward momentum instead of rally as well. Shuffle is to expensive IMHO. But I'm in medium armor not heavy. What heavy set are you using for your NB?
On topic.....I've said for the longest time 5 or more pieces to use each armor skill lines specific skill. NB has Blur, but every class has SOME type of skill someone at some point will call OP. However, in the 3 years I've played this game I've never heard anyone say Blur was OP, that being said it will be fine. NB in heavy won't suddenly become god mode.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »RIP snare counterplay.
Preview of Cyrodiil gameplay:
Maybe this is their roundabount way of dealing with cyro lag -- if half the population is snared, everyone's character will run at the same speed as ZoS' servers.
Full heavy armor should not be highly mobile to begin with, not compared to medium armor. If they want the heavy armor meta to change, this change needs to happen. I find it a "semi-buff" to medium armor. Or at least a reason for people to run it more.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.
I use blur too, mirage specifically. Forward momentum instead of rally as well. Shuffle is to expensive IMHO. But I'm in medium armor not heavy. What heavy set are you using for your NB?
On topic.....I've said for the longest time 5 or more pieces to use each armor skill lines specific skill. NB has Blur, but every class has SOME type of skill someone at some point will call OP. However, in the 3 years I've played this game I've never heard anyone say Blur was OP, that being said it will be fine. NB in heavy won't suddenly become god mode.
No ***, i ment , that somewhat u can ease the snare with cloak.
scipionumatia wrote: »I think the change in itself is good.
I think the timing is bad.
Should have come earlier and would have made some morrowind changes obsolete.
The change is good, but the benefits other classes gain from it, is pissing me off.
I'm not sure stam dk can get more nerfs anymore, they touched everything.
Completely agree. I don't mind the change either but dk is so slow as it is, if you take away our ability to remove snare we're ***
How classes deals with Snares, CC in open world
Stam nb > Cloak
Stam Sorc > Streak
Stam Templar > Prufiy
Stam warden > Major exp wings + 15% less snare passive (lols)
Stam dk > ??????? Perma block???Wow guys did you hear that? HEAVY ARMOR NIGHTBLADES ARE OP!!! /sarcasm
This post is a joke mate.
Your'e the joke mate, come EU me and my friends will gladly show u.
Oh so you missed the part where I am on EU in my sig? Funny that. Do show me indeed. Btw funny how you just feel so attacked that you absolutely felt the need to question something of mine, in this case my experience in PvP. I don't know if all this aggression is to hide something or something?
You can save that sht talk to ur friends u pve with,
Just whisper me on EU @Amir412 when ever u feels like verifying to urself how "good" ur pvp exp is.
Oh so I'm *** talking now?
So now, since I'm only lvl 26 on PC, how about a duel on the PTS? You'll have lag as an excuse if you really need it.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.
I use blur too, mirage specifically. Forward momentum instead of rally as well. Shuffle is to expensive IMHO. But I'm in medium armor not heavy. What heavy set are you using for your NB?
On topic.....I've said for the longest time 5 or more pieces to use each armor skill lines specific skill. NB has Blur, but every class has SOME type of skill someone at some point will call OP. However, in the 3 years I've played this game I've never heard anyone say Blur was OP, that being said it will be fine. NB in heavy won't suddenly become god mode.
Maybe you haven't heard complains about Blur because Shuffle is simply better?
Sigh, imma say this again...
If other classes cant use shuffle on heavy armor , so shouldnt heavy stam nb... U guys never met @Bambok13 on eu didnt u?
I really want u guys to duel this guy, and then come comment again.
@Vapirko I guess you completely missed the point. I support this change. My point was, it's not the evasion that makes shuffle essential on stam builds. It's the snare removal. I'd love to see how you pull off a stam build without some method of shedding snares. For the record I fully support this change. I just don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
But by all means, if you are on PC NA, please come demonstrate your skillful use of immov pots and resource management to handle snares in a friendly duel or two?
@Vapirko I guess you completely missed the point. I support this change. My point was, it's not the evasion that makes shuffle essential on stam builds. It's the snare removal. I'd love to see how you pull off a stam build without some method of shedding snares. For the record I fully support this change. I just don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
But by all means, if you are on PC NA, please come demonstrate your skillful use of immov pots and resource management to handle snares in a friendly duel or two?
This is just silly how you ppl so attached to rally)))
FM - gives you 8 seconds immune to snares and immobilizations!
Just try it one time, and you won't ever return to rally.
Regarding Shuffle as "snare remover": it gives you very little time on immunity if you are in heave (0,5-1 sec), and it cost just too much. Taking into account all past changes to resource management, it's just not a good option for heavy armor user.
Drakkdjinn wrote: »RIP snare counterplay.
Preview of Cyrodiil gameplay:
Maybe this is their roundabount way of dealing with cyro lag -- if half the population is snared, everyone's character will run at the same speed as ZoS' servers.
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus
@CyrusArya look mate I’m sorry your play style is gonna suffer so much. Again, If you want shuffle benefits then play medium. Plenty of good players already do. ZOS is, for once in a long while or perhaps ever, pushing in the direction of having people to choose how they want to play. So pick one. What ZOS really needs to do is remove snares from so many freakin skills in the game especially gap closers. But I’ve got no sympathy for you if you want to play heavy and have snare immunity from shuffle. The way I see it we’re moving in a good direction and hopefully we’ll get to the point where medium really is the choice for stam DDs, and heavy doesn’t make sense if you want access to real damage. But don’t come in here and pull the whole let’s 1v1 if you want to prove your point. I play heavy, I don’t use shuffle and I do just fine. I’ve survived my share of smaller 1vX, I’ve defended keep 2vX. If I die it’s from something stupid or because I’m outmatched. If you want heavy suffer the consequences or use forward momentum or some such skill, if you want shuffle use medium it’s as simple as that. As far as I can tell you just want to keep running heavy and still have the evasive abilities of medium armor which is not the way it should be.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.
I use blur too, mirage specifically. Forward momentum instead of rally as well. Shuffle is to expensive IMHO. But I'm in medium armor not heavy. What heavy set are you using for your NB?
On topic.....I've said for the longest time 5 or more pieces to use each armor skill lines specific skill. NB has Blur, but every class has SOME type of skill someone at some point will call OP. However, in the 3 years I've played this game I've never heard anyone say Blur was OP, that being said it will be fine. NB in heavy won't suddenly become god mode.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.
I use blur too, mirage specifically. Forward momentum instead of rally as well. Shuffle is to expensive IMHO. But I'm in medium armor not heavy. What heavy set are you using for your NB?
On topic.....I've said for the longest time 5 or more pieces to use each armor skill lines specific skill. NB has Blur, but every class has SOME type of skill someone at some point will call OP. However, in the 3 years I've played this game I've never heard anyone say Blur was OP, that being said it will be fine. NB in heavy won't suddenly become god mode.
Maybe you haven't heard complains about Blur because Shuffle is simply better?
that statement is rediculous in itself and I won't even entertain it as I could go on and on how about it.
Drakk, I understand what you're saying but in the end, like every other skill in the game it will make people choose and readjust. I don't think people who rely heavily on rally will give it up for forward momentum. People are just going to cry because their heavy armor meta build has carried them for the last several months. They had damage, sustain, protection, and mobility without having to sacrifice anything else. While medium has what? The same but not as good even though the armor arch type dictates it should be better at some of those things? Take a look at the forums and the dozens of threads about the weakness of medium armor and how strong and overpowered heavy is for the majority of classes. You shouldn't be able to have the best of all worlds. Even if I don't agree with all those threads and what they say, perception is reality. A better balance is needed.
@Xsorus, I'm sure during your larping sessions you're fine rolling around in "heavy armor". But from my experience wearing a full kit and battle rattle that weighs less than actual "heavy armor" I assure you no one is dodge rolling around. That is possibly the most rediculous comments I've ever read on this forum. Save your BS for the movies and video games. And stop crutching on heavy armor and maybe you wouldn't mind the change so much. Yes it is from a balance stand point btw.
And whoever said if non NB heavy Armor users can't use shuffle NB can't use blur....okay, cool story bro, can NB haz healz then? Even as crappy as DK's heal has become I see that spammed all the time and it still works better than zero heals.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »I agree they should buff medium....however....
How is this a nerf to heavy armor? You literally take away one thing....major evasion and suddenly its the end of heavy armor? You can't be serious? You don't think maybe heavy armor is powerful because the resistance? Wrath stack? resource return? extra healing? You think it was the dodge chance from a medium armor line skill that made heavy armor as strong as it is?.....I can't even....
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Nobody used it for dodge chance. Most people in heavy want to get hit for wrath and constitution passives, as well as things like fury and 7th legion.
People use it for snare removal - because every skill in this game is a snare these days.
Blur is irrelevant really. Most stamblades are in medium as it is.
Come meet my stamina nb in heavy with blur... i'm sure u'll regret.
I use blur too, mirage specifically. Forward momentum instead of rally as well. Shuffle is to expensive IMHO. But I'm in medium armor not heavy. What heavy set are you using for your NB?
On topic.....I've said for the longest time 5 or more pieces to use each armor skill lines specific skill. NB has Blur, but every class has SOME type of skill someone at some point will call OP. However, in the 3 years I've played this game I've never heard anyone say Blur was OP, that being said it will be fine. NB in heavy won't suddenly become god mode.
Maybe you haven't heard complains about Blur because Shuffle is simply better?
that statement is rediculous in itself and I won't even entertain it as I could go on and on how about it.
AS ZOS annouced yesterday in eso live,
Heavy armor wont be able to use shuffle skill anymore, Which is a good thing. - Only if u wear 5 pieces of medium armor.
But i bet u forgot "Double Take " / "Blur" NB skill, what about it? I bet its going to work with heavy,
Gratz ZOS, ure just going to make heavy armor nb more broken than it is in the last few patch.
How stamina players is even going to compete vs Magicka players now?? Wearing med armor??? (Ya right...)
This change is nerfing Heavy armor to the ground, but yet its not buffing med armor, which cant even compete with light / heavy magicka users... like wtf?
Why stamina getting nerfed patch after patch, but magicka builds remain untouched??
Dont forget the "low cost" of Shuffle on heavy, 4.2k stamina cost pretty must *** up ur resources.
Do i even have the option now to 1 vs x, or small scale as stam player if im not a nb or a sorc? let the snare games begin.
How classes deals with snares open world -
Stam nb > Cloak
Stam Sorc > Streak
Stam Templar > Prufiy
Stam warden > Major exp wings + 15% less snare passive (lols)
Stam dk > ??????? Perma block???
Drakkdjinn wrote: »RIP snare counterplay.
Preview of Cyrodiil gameplay:
Maybe this is their roundabount way of dealing with cyro lag -- if half the population is snared, everyone's character will run at the same speed as ZoS' servers.
Welcome to what derpy magica classes who don't know that purge is already a thing have had to deal with since ages. Maybe they will now nerf the snares.