@Subversus , go 1vX with your pet sorc open world and tell me it's OP. MagNB is far from unbalanced in open world PvP and I don't think that you're going to make a good case that necropotence is the deciding factor that is making them "overpowered."
@Subversus , go 1vX with your pet sorc open world and tell me it's OP. MagNB is far from unbalanced in open world PvP and I don't think that you're going to make a good case that necropotence is the deciding factor that is making them "overpowered."
I have an idea: how about you go 1vX on a medium armor character to get some perspective? Or worse yet, try a bow build on any character.
While I agree that there are stronger sorc builds for 1vX (just swap some gear & skills around), you can still do better in 1vX with a pet sorc than half the other builds out there while dominating 1v1.
@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
MurderMostFoul wrote: »"Adjusting the 5-piece bonuses from nine other item sets."
Sooooo curious!
Emma_Overload wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Ridiculous and false. Necropotence requires that you keep the pet ALIVE. Easier said than done.
TotallyNotVos wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Do you actually think that magsorc is dominating pve or do you just like talking out of your ass? Magsorc is probably the highest single target Mag dps and we're ~15K behind stam dk and ~10K behind all of the other stam classes while having the same aoe or less than stam.
Pet sorcs are strong for dueling and that's it...
Edit : it amazes me how behind the forums always are on the current pve metas... this patch is almost over FFS and you're still in homestead
TotallyNotVos wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Do you actually think that magsorc is dominating pve or do you just like talking out of your ass? Magsorc is probably the highest single target Mag dps and we're ~15K behind stam dk and ~10K behind all of the other stam classes while having the same aoe or less than stam.
Pet sorcs are strong for dueling and that's it...
Edit : it amazes me how behind the forums always are on the current pve metas... this patch is almost over FFS and you're still in homestead
What? Sorcs are still very strong in PvE (last time I did vHoF, half the raid were sorcs).
Where do you come up with those numbers? That'd imply stam DKs do 60k+ ST lol
PvE balance between stamina & magicka is the best it has been since launch.
TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Do you actually think that magsorc is dominating pve or do you just like talking out of your ass? Magsorc is probably the highest single target Mag dps and we're ~15K behind stam dk and ~10K behind all of the other stam classes while having the same aoe or less than stam.
Pet sorcs are strong for dueling and that's it...
Edit : it amazes me how behind the forums always are on the current pve metas... this patch is almost over FFS and you're still in homestead
What? Sorcs are still very strong in PvE (last time I did vHoF, half the raid were sorcs).
Where do you come up with those numbers? That'd imply stam DKs do 60k+ ST lol
PvE balance between stamina & magicka is the best it has been since launch.
Stam dk can do 60K single with no buff sets and push 65K with stam support https://youtu.be/1NoAjlhmOwo this is a video of a dk on my raid team. Yes I know wisp mother Is a stack and burn, but my raid has the #3 vhof score and stam is decimating Mag in most of that trial as well
Stam is completely overtuned for competitive groups.
WildWilbur wrote: »
TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Do you actually think that magsorc is dominating pve or do you just like talking out of your ass? Magsorc is probably the highest single target Mag dps and we're ~15K behind stam dk and ~10K behind all of the other stam classes while having the same aoe or less than stam.
Pet sorcs are strong for dueling and that's it...
Edit : it amazes me how behind the forums always are on the current pve metas... this patch is almost over FFS and you're still in homestead
What? Sorcs are still very strong in PvE (last time I did vHoF, half the raid were sorcs).
Where do you come up with those numbers? That'd imply stam DKs do 60k+ ST lol
PvE balance between stamina & magicka is the best it has been since launch.
Stam dk can do 60K single with no buff sets and push 65K with stam support https://youtu.be/1NoAjlhmOwo this is a video of a dk on my raid team. Yes I know wisp mother Is a stack and burn, but my raid has the #3 vhof score and stam is decimating Mag in most of that trial as well
Stam is completely overtuned for competitive groups.
Interesting.
Is that stam DK specific, or are your stam NBs doing 60k+ as well?
I've calculated the maximum potential stamblade ST DPS to be around 55k with perfect weaving - but maybe I've overlooked something.
@Subversus , go 1vX with your pet sorc open world and tell me it's OP. MagNB is far from unbalanced in open world PvP and I don't think that you're going to make a good case that necropotence is the deciding factor that is making them "overpowered."
I have an idea: how about you go 1vX on a medium armor character to get some perspective? Or worse yet, try a bow build on any character.
While I agree that there are stronger sorc builds for 1vX (just swap some gear & skills around), you can still do better in 1vX with a pet sorc than half the other builds out there while dominating 1v1.
TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Do you actually think that magsorc is dominating pve or do you just like talking out of your ass? Magsorc is probably the highest single target Mag dps and we're ~15K behind stam dk and ~10K behind all of the other stam classes while having the same aoe or less than stam.
Pet sorcs are strong for dueling and that's it...
Edit : it amazes me how behind the forums always are on the current pve metas... this patch is almost over FFS and you're still in homestead
What? Sorcs are still very strong in PvE (last time I did vHoF, half the raid were sorcs).
Where do you come up with those numbers? That'd imply stam DKs do 60k+ ST lol
PvE balance between stamina & magicka is the best it has been since launch.
Stam dk can do 60K single with no buff sets and push 65K with stam support https://youtu.be/1NoAjlhmOwo this is a video of a dk on my raid team. Yes I know wisp mother Is a stack and burn, but my raid has the #3 vhof score and stam is decimating Mag in most of that trial as well
Stam is completely overtuned for competitive groups.
Interesting.
Is that stam DK specific, or are your stam NBs doing 60k+ as well?
I've calculated the maximum potential stamblade ST DPS to be around 55k with perfect weaving - but maybe I've overlooked something.
On that same fight our stamblade got 59K single
TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »@Ultimate_Overlord lmfao mate that's a double edged sword you are playing with, tread with care
@Adenoma necropotence is overpowered period, especially on magblades and pet sorcs. Please tell me of another set that gives you 7k magicka without any single condition whatsoever? You should already be using shade on magblade, so this set is just the cherry on the top. Not to mention the insanely op and ezmode pet sorcs that just dominate both in pvp and pve...
Do you actually think that magsorc is dominating pve or do you just like talking out of your ass? Magsorc is probably the highest single target Mag dps and we're ~15K behind stam dk and ~10K behind all of the other stam classes while having the same aoe or less than stam.
Pet sorcs are strong for dueling and that's it...
Edit : it amazes me how behind the forums always are on the current pve metas... this patch is almost over FFS and you're still in homestead
What? Sorcs are still very strong in PvE (last time I did vHoF, half the raid were sorcs).
Where do you come up with those numbers? That'd imply stam DKs do 60k+ ST lol
PvE balance between stamina & magicka is the best it has been since launch.
Stam dk can do 60K single with no buff sets and push 65K with stam support https://youtu.be/1NoAjlhmOwo this is a video of a dk on my raid team. Yes I know wisp mother Is a stack and burn, but my raid has the #3 vhof score and stam is decimating Mag in most of that trial as well
Stam is completely overtuned for competitive groups.
Interesting.
Is that stam DK specific, or are your stam NBs doing 60k+ as well?
I've calculated the maximum potential stamblade ST DPS to be around 55k with perfect weaving - but maybe I've overlooked something.
On that same fight our stamblade got 59K single
Ok, I think I've figured it out: has to do with Major Slayer uptime.
Since it's mostly applied by the stam builds with cheap ultis & targets the closest 2 allies, it gets applied to the other melee DDs and never really reaches the ranged DDs.
Just a theory - on target dummy the magicka/stamina dps should be more comparable.
I do agree after having seen these videos that some magicka/stamina pve balancing is required.
@Subversus , go 1vX with your pet sorc open world and tell me it's OP. MagNB is far from unbalanced in open world PvP and I don't think that you're going to make a good case that necropotence is the deciding factor that is making them "overpowered."
I have an idea: how about you go 1vX on a medium armor character to get some perspective? Or worse yet, try a bow build on any character.
While I agree that there are stronger sorc builds for 1vX (just swap some gear & skills around), you can still do better in 1vX with a pet sorc than half the other builds out there while dominating 1v1.
How about no ?
Stop being ridiculous DDuke, your sorc best at everything everywhere and far above everything else is just laughtable.
Saying a pet sorc can have better 1vX than half other builds is just false. No need to be a genius to know that. Pets die easely, you can't recast them cuz it has a 1.5s cooldown, and they are probably stuck in Coldharbour anyway. Also, pets doesn't work when you LoS in rocks, ect, they don't follow you, and they are not good at all to the kite and kill sorc gameplay.
Now, stop saying ***, and defend your fair point of you on underpowered medium armor and bow builds without trying to make this forum a huge magicka sorc conspiracy. Also, no one asked for mag sorc buff, there is only people asking for a non-nerf.
Also, if a Necropotence nerf will happen, it's will be nerf to 2500 magicka bonus maximum, like the stamina (no requirment) set.
Also, the pet sorc unkillable in 1v1 myth is false : Kill the pet then interupt the sorc and you win. Is pet making too much damage ? Yes- deadric prey % should have a 10% damage nerf. But you can't nerf the damage if you don't make them viable by lower the cast time. A necropotence nerf should be lethal on pet sorc because your pet defense will descrease again, without, the same problem, a non possible way to recast them unless your ennemie(s) suddently go AFK.
After few test on PTS, you guys can all complain about deadric pray increasing shadowrend and soon Maw of the infernal pets by 55% making them a new viper with a 2s cooldown that become a selene brother when the pet make heavy attacks
Please lets one of the sets fixed be Impregnable. It is extremely overpowered. I hit a heavy armor user with an 18k Incap tooltip + shadow + spriggan for 5.4k crit. How is that even possible? I had no chance in medium because he did more damage to me. Please look into this.
@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
crobarXIII wrote: »WildWilbur wrote: »
Did you get the joke?
@Subversus , go 1vX with your pet sorc open world and tell me it's OP. MagNB is far from unbalanced in open world PvP and I don't think that you're going to make a good case that necropotence is the deciding factor that is making them "overpowered."
I have an idea: how about you go 1vX on a medium armor character to get some perspective? Or worse yet, try a bow build on any character.
While I agree that there are stronger sorc builds for 1vX (just swap some gear & skills around), you can still do better in 1vX with a pet sorc than half the other builds out there while dominating 1v1.
How about no ?
Stop being ridiculous DDuke, your sorc best at everything everywhere and far above everything else is just laughtable.
Saying a pet sorc can have better 1vX than half other builds is just false. No need to be a genius to know that. Pets die easely, you can't recast them cuz it has a 1.5s cooldown, and they are probably stuck in Coldharbour anyway. Also, pets doesn't work when you LoS in rocks, ect, they don't follow you, and they are not good at all to the kite and kill sorc gameplay.
Now, stop saying ***, and defend your fair point of you on underpowered medium armor and bow builds without trying to make this forum a huge magicka sorc conspiracy. Also, no one asked for mag sorc buff, there is only people asking for a non-nerf.
Also, if a Necropotence nerf will happen, it's will be nerf to 2500 magicka bonus maximum, like the stamina (no requirment) set.
Also, the pet sorc unkillable in 1v1 myth is false : Kill the pet then interupt the sorc and you win. Is pet making too much damage ? Yes- deadric prey % should have a 10% damage nerf. But you can't nerf the damage if you don't make them viable by lower the cast time. A necropotence nerf should be lethal on pet sorc because your pet defense will descrease again, without, the same problem, a non possible way to recast them unless your ennemie(s) suddently go AFK.
After few test on PTS, you guys can all complain about deadric pray increasing shadowrend and soon Maw of the infernal pets by 55% making them a new viper with a 2s cooldown that become a selene brother when the pet make heavy attacks
Well, considering half the builds are currently some medium proc scrubs that die to the first Soul Assault, I'd say pet sorc 1vXs better than them.
I also think pet sorc (any sorc) is better than light armor templar/dk/warden for 1vX, because those builds lack what I call "zerg defense" - namely streak, cloak or shadow image.
Pets getting stuck and/or killed (as they don't streak away from the zerg with the sorc) is a downside though and probably why other sorc builds are better for 1vX.
As for pet sorc being unkillable in 1v1... it isn't, I heard you lost vs @Ragnaroek93 's pet sorc xD
Go fight Dusk's pet sorc, or Mage.
Please lets one of the sets fixed be Impregnable. It is extremely overpowered. I hit a heavy armor user with an 18k Incap tooltip + shadow + spriggan for 5.4k crit. How is that even possible? I had no chance in medium because he did more damage to me. Please look into this.
@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
Did you lose a fight and then tag the devs to nerf them? Lmao