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  • ixie
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    if you use "eso" as the search term it looks very different

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  • LadyLavina
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    I, too, can poorly interpret graphs.

    Please refer to my comment just after the OP's post for proper graph use/interpretation ;)
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  • Rouven
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    We're gamers. Serious gamers will abbreviate. Now go to google trends and punch in eso.

    *gasp*

    Looks like the sky won't be falling because someone was unable to find or see other players logging in at 3:53 pre-dawn.

    Btw, little trivia - apparently australians google alcohol more than anyone else on a very steady basis. Ireland is on rank 5, I guess they drink more and google less.

    Edit: Beaten by Pizzaow - lol
    Edited by Rouven on May 9, 2017 5:51PM
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  • crappyjazz1964
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    I don't think I've ever googled Elder Scrolls Online. Maybe ESO. Usually if I google something about this game it's "where to find ninroot" or some such.
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Please understand, I don't want this game to die. I actually have fun playing it when I do play it. I have met a lot of good people in this game. If anything it makes me sad (hence the Thread Title)

    Statistics DO NOT lie only "manipulated statisitcs" do...of which no such manipulation has been done. Anyone can Google "Google Trends" type in ESO, The Elder Scrolls Online, etc and get the same exact unmanipulated results.

    Google has invested Hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars into Research and Development into research of Trends and Marketing, their entire business is based off it......They are right 9-out 10 times when it comes to this kinda stuff. They ahve a track record to prove it.

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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

  • Crafts_Many_Boxes
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    What everyone else is saying. To get an actual accurate idea you'd have to combine the data for like, the 10 most popular ESO-related searches, and even then it wouldn't be complete. But that MIGHT give you an idea of active player numbers. Might.
  • The_Lex
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    Yes, the original article is from 2016 BUT

    if you actually "read" you would see the two photos at the very bottom of the post are the Google Trends all the way up to May of 2017 which is current which shows ZERO change from the orginal article whihc proves the point.

    Furthermore, searches for ESO are actually worse then The Elder Scrolls Online, showing the same exact nosedive after Imperial City release(June of 2015)

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    I read it. And someone posted differing statistics, which I'm sure you didn't read. My point is that for someone who proclaims himself as a "very big facts [and] statistics guy," you lose credibility by using this article (written in 2016, using data from 2015, and by someone who, when confronted with how things had changed, responds by saying he won't give it another try).
  • Artis
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    Honestly, I don't see any causation here and not even sure about correlation...

    I've been playing ESO since pre-release and never once have I ever googled it.

    If anything, one can make an argument, that people googled it, liked it, and then started playing and stopped googling.
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Also

    Lets look at Youtube Searches for ESO or Elder Scrolls Online shall we?

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    As you can see they paint a similiar picture, folks are not searching Youtube for Elder Scrolls Online stuff, this explains Sypher huge success and such after leaving for other games...the trends say he made the right choice to focus his efforts elsewhere because he is making more money by doing so.

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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

  • Elsonso
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    Article that was quoted, verbatim (hopefully, the OP is the author), was written a year ago, and there are red flags and questionable interpretations.

    First, I think they logged into PTS instead of one of the main megaservers. At no time in the three years of playing this game have I had any trouble finding "single player actually doing anything out in the world of ESO". Frequently, it is quite the opposite. I have trouble finding a place where there isn't someone standing. Especially, if I want to grab a screen shot.

    But, enough about an old article.

    The OP says:

    "You can see shortly after Imperial City release(Jun 2015) the Google Trends shows the games interest tanking right down the drain with a HUGE nose dive of interest on Google trends. Its also around this time sites like ESOhead and ESOstats were abandoned. It also shows barely any interest spikes at all after Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Shadow of the Hist DLC's"

    It is followed by a picture from Google Trends showing a sustained interest in the game.

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    But, the real question is whether "Elder Scrolls Online" is the proper search term for a game that has been out for three years? I tend to use "ESO" when I search. Maybe that is what people use?

    What story does this image tell?

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    Now, to be clear, the term "ESO" has multiple meanings, but at this point, it is a fair guess that Elder Scrolls Online is the predominate one. It is a variable, though. So, let's see if we can correct for it by adding "The Elder Scrolls Online" to the mix.

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    Seems that searches for "Elder Scrolls Online" does not track with either "ESO" or "The Elder Scrolls Online", but that the latter two do show consistency.

    So, I think that the moral here is that it is important to take a closer look at the data, and the data sources, before jumping to conclusions because content in a patch is not wildly popular.
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  • The_Lex
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    Artis wrote: »
    Honestly, I don't see any causation here and not even sure about correlation...

    I've been playing ESO since pre-release and never once have I ever googled it.

    If anything, one can make an argument, that people googled it, liked it, and then started playing and stopped googling.

    ^^^ Simple logic
    Edited by The_Lex on May 9, 2017 5:55PM
  • MNsnowtaTy
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    73% of statistics are made up

    While the other 36% of statistics are just bs.

    :)
    Edited by MNsnowtaTy on May 9, 2017 5:57PM
  • Tholian1
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    Tholian1 wrote: »
    I'll become concerned when ZOS is no longer actively creating new content for ESO.

    Then you should be freaking out. Because they dont.. it's just retextured content. Even housing was a copy paste of existing structures in the game. The content they are currently realeasin was made 2 years ago. The just never released it. So yes, you should be concerned. We all should.

    They completed Morrowind two years ago, or did it take them two years to complete?

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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    OR ... The vast majority of players have what they need Bookmarked after 2015 ... ESO Fashion , Tamriel Academy , ELder Scrolls Wiki . ESO Forums and most importantly Alcasts new website . @Alcast :+1: Very user friendly Sir .
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Lets make ONE THING clear.

    I DO NOT want ESO to fail

    However, We as gamers(Who play ESO) often to tend to have bias points of view(Because we love the game we let our personal feelings get in the way factual based judgements) and try to base our facts off what we see in game. We tend to try and base our facts and such off our own experiences and opinions and these are inherently bias.

    Google Trends is as unbiased a viewpoint as you will get. It has no experience, it has no personal preferences, it has no bias...all it has is raw numbers...how many times X number of people search for term Y...its an unbiased as you will ever get.

    Don't discard hard data and facts simply because you don't agree with it. Even if that data goes against your personal experience, personal experience is biased. Like when Rich posted stats showing Light and Med armor used more then Heavy despite everyone saying Heavy was most used in PVP.

    What you perceive to experience "in-game" and what the hard data says can be two completely different things. I know its hard to accept.

    I love ESO too...when i read this article a few days ago, I didn't believe it either. Even though the samll pvp pop kinda confirmed it, I just sorta shrugged it off as no big deal.

    I spent a few evenings looking at statistics from Google trends, trying to find reasons why they were wrong, trying different searches and criteria, but its simply not there.

    You won't get a larger sample size of peoples interests then Google Trends its literlaly BILLIONS of people. Even the Youtube search stats paint the same picture.

    I knew this topic may make people angry, make people quick to defend their beloved game...when i read that article I was actually looking to make an article to refute it, but the data to refute it simply isn't there no matter how much I want it to be.

    Put your personal feelings aside, search the data for yourself...that way your certain no one is messing with you, but you will come to same conclusions in the end i did...the game i like so much is losing steam....that needs to change.

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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

  • Evergnar
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    Most entertaining thread I've seen in days so thank you :smiley:
  • kongkim
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    Don't get way it's so important for you to prove that the game is dying or dead when you say you like it and still play??
    What is it you are trying to get out of it?
  • Krileon
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    lol, Google Trends is only as accurate as your keyword is. I Google ESO every day for one thing or another instead of having 500 bookmarks. Google learns my habits and presents the results I expect first. Millions do this every day and they don't do it using "elder scrolls online" keywords. The keywords for ESO searches is exactly that.. "eso", which has a gradual trend increase over the course of 5 years. In other words ESO has shown stable growth. Drives me nuts when wannabes who think they understand SEO start plugging crap into Google Trends without understanding how even basic keywords work. Trend spikes are also entirely normal (e.g. large patch hits so old players Google it to see what's coming). Check out the 5 year growth below comparing the two keywords and even a monkey can see it's stable.

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=eso,elder scrolls online
  • Adernath
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    Yeah, the game seems very populated to me. It's rare that I'll go into a delve or public dungeon and not find anyone else, and I've been going around to every zone to collect skyshards.

    Ultimately, you can't say whether or not there's a correlation between google searches and number of players playing. It sounds logical, but there are just too many assumptions being made for it to count as actual evidence to support your claim.

    Even if there is a correlation, those stats are deceptive. If it's just the number of players googling "The Elder Scrolls Online", then of course the numbers are going to be low. Who doesn't type "ESO" when talking about the game? Would that register in the above graph? There's also all the resource sites, like the wiki and tamriel foundry, which also wouldn't be displayed above. Most active players aren't just gonna be searching "the elder scrolls online" lol

    Exactly this, if I take the WoW subscription count

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    There is no visible correlation to the Google search graphs presented above. This shows that the thread is pointless.
  • RoyalPink06
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    Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that!
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  • Kiwi
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    good luck in your attempt to drive traffic to wtfever that crap website you linked and good luck being delusional in your belief that anyone really cares
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  • Asardes
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    The game "died" in June 2016 according to the article quoted by OP. Since then we had:
    - SotH - small update
    - One Tamriel - complete game ovethaul
    - Homestead - major feature added
    - Morrowind - major expansion (one month to release)
    - Plenty of players around
    - My sales on guilds steadily increasing since One Tamriel
    Yea, looks pretty dead to me. I'll just grab a shovel :D
    Edited by Asardes on May 9, 2017 6:40PM
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    Asardes wrote: »
    The game "died" in June 2016 according to the article quoted by OP. Since then we had:
    - SotH - small update
    - One Tamriel - complete game ovethaul
    - Homestead - major feature added
    - Morrowind - major expansion (one month to release)
    Yea, looks pretty dead to me :D

    Just to be that guy. It is a chapter. So small they don't want to call it an expansion. Certainly not a major expansion. The only way you could come to the major conclusion is if you compare it to the bite sized dlcs they normally release.
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  • LadyLavina
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    Edited by LadyLavina on May 9, 2017 6:20PM
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  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    Maybe we are misinterpreting the OP. In a way we are all dying since no one lives forever.

    TLDR: ESO is dying ... at some unknown point in the future. I'll just guess it'll be roughly 2025.
  • Kodrac
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    What is this? Propaganda for someone's niche agenda?

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  • LadyLavina
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    Kodrac wrote: »
    Propaganda for someone's niche agenda

    Thread is now Germany 1941
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  • Minno
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    Article that was quoted, verbatim (hopefully, the OP is the author), was written a year ago, and there are red flags and questionable interpretations.

    First, I think they logged into PTS instead of one of the main megaservers. At no time in the three years of playing this game have I had any trouble finding "single player actually doing anything out in the world of ESO". Frequently, it is quite the opposite. I have trouble finding a place where there isn't someone standing. Especially, if I want to grab a screen shot.

    But, enough about an old article.

    The OP says:

    "You can see shortly after Imperial City release(Jun 2015) the Google Trends shows the games interest tanking right down the drain with a HUGE nose dive of interest on Google trends. Its also around this time sites like ESOhead and ESOstats were abandoned. It also shows barely any interest spikes at all after Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Shadow of the Hist DLC's"

    It is followed by a picture from Google Trends showing a sustained interest in the game.

    trends1.png

    But, the real question is whether "Elder Scrolls Online" is the proper search term for a game that has been out for three years? I tend to use "ESO" when I search. Maybe that is what people use?

    What story does this image tell?

    kVhbSBT.jpg

    Now, to be clear, the term "ESO" has multiple meanings, but at this point, it is a fair guess that Elder Scrolls Online is the predominate one. It is a variable, though. So, let's see if we can correct for it by adding "The Elder Scrolls Online" to the mix.

    a8KkwB8.jpg

    Seems that searches for "Elder Scrolls Online" does not track with either "ESO" or "The Elder Scrolls Online", but that the latter two do show consistency.

    So, I think that the moral here is that it is important to take a closer look at the data, and the data sources, before jumping to conclusions because content in a patch is not wildly popular.

    That's because Eso in Spanish slang means "yea". Lol
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