A Sad Truth

Belidos

Here we go, so much BS in one inconsequential post.

I reported a little while back that we would give ESO yet another try. We did. After logging in, I struggled to find a single player actually doing anything out in the world of ESO

Currently (on the PC-EU) server, i'm finding it difficult to go anywhere without someone else coming along and jumping into my fights. The servers may not be over crowded, but there are plenty of players around, in fact at some times, during peak hours the PC-Eu server's a little too crowded fr my liking and i end up sitting at a forge crafting because there's too many people at the delve, or quest location i'm working on.

So your statement, and your charts are meaningless BS.

Enslaved

Just look at OP's avatar. Self explanatory.

LegacyDM

I think it's a stretch to compare searches with subscribers and p2p cash shop purchases. It's like your trying to do an apples to oranges comparison. Searches = net profit? Huh!? People don't even need to do a google search to learn about the game. What about advertisements and reviews on other websites? What about steam? What about going to the website directly? How about word of mouth? Seeing it in a store? How about the fact it's on PS4 and Xbox network?

Ok. So maybe google trends is an indicator of interest level but that is far from saying the game is dead or zos isn't making a profit lol, you have no clue what their revenue stream is. If looking at a google trend was an indicator of predictability financial success we would all be millionaires in the stock market. Lol.

WeyounTM

My personal skewed statistic about ESO is the following: for a long time - actually since BETA xD - I was the only one in my family who was playing ESO. I did my best to convince people to actually join the game...but it wasn't to be.

Then came One Tamriel and my wife jumped into the game during a free weekend. She has played it daily since then. Fast forward to the Morrowind anouncement and while attending a family meeting I talked about gaming with my nephew. Turns out he and his girlfriend started playing during the last free weekend. And haven't stopped since....

So now my family ESO player count has gone up from 1 to 4. Does that mean the ESO population quadrupled? Naaaah, surely the game is on his last leg....

Which reminds me of the funny quote from Sheo: "The game is afoot....or a leg....or any kind of severed limb"

Sausage

Google Trend isnt legit as these days we've platforms like Steam. Players dont google anymore, they just go to Steam and do their stuff there. Not to mention Console players dont use Google either. For example, for WOW still people google stuff.

I think theres hope as long F2W Weekends are able to pull 300k users. Thats solid evidence there still lots of buzz around ESO. But yeah, current state is massive challenge for Amateurish Zen, maybe they can surprise us. This has been rough road, as they didnt even understood the importance of Endgame at launch etc, basically they trusted almost entirely on the IP and still do.

Enslaved

Sausage wrote: »

Google Trend isnt legit as these days we've platforms like Steam. Players dont google anymore, they just go to Steam and do their stuff there. Not to mention Console players dont use Google either. For example, for WOW still people google stuff.

I think theres hope as long F2W Weekends are able to pull 300k users. Thats solid evidence there still lots of buzz around ESO. But yeah, current state is massive challenge for Amateurish Zen, maybe they can surprise us. This has been rough road, as they didnt even understood the importance of Endgame at launch etc, basically they trusted almost entirely on the IP and still do.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Seems like ESO is "dying", it only has 23.7 times more ppl playing it on steam than in November of 2014.

Sausage

Enslaved wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Google Trend isnt legit as these days we've platforms like Steam. Players dont google anymore, they just go to Steam and do their stuff there. Not to mention Console players dont use Google either. For example, for WOW still people google stuff.

I think theres hope as long F2W Weekends are able to pull 300k users. Thats solid evidence there still lots of buzz around ESO. But yeah, current state is massive challenge for Amateurish Zen, maybe they can surprise us. This has been rough road, as they didnt even understood the importance of Endgame at launch etc, basically they trusted almost entirely on the IP and still do.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Seems like ESO is "dying", it only has 23.7 times more ppl playing it on steam than in November of 2014.

So, every MMORPG since WOW has died? Was this something you expected?

But Google Trend isnt legit, thats my point, from Steam, you can directly come to ESO website, so you dont need middle-man "Google" anymore. When for example, for WoW people still use Google to go their website. Some people say 70% of PC users use Steam, so thats massive amount.

Fhaerron

Why do people create these threads?


I'm just back because ZoS gave me beta acces to the expansion but I haven't played this since the day they changed to B2P and I don't plan on returning.
But, I do wonder why are people creating threads like the game is dead and such when they are about to stop?
I left in silence and played other games that interested me, I really have no idea why people have to make threads like these...

Elvenpath

Fhaerron wrote: »

Why do people create these threads?


I'm just back because ZoS gave me beta acces to the expansion but I haven't played this since the day they changed to B2P and I don't plan on returning.
But, I do wonder why are people creating threads like the game is dead and such when they are about to stop?
I left in silence and played other games that interested me, I really have no idea why people have to make threads like these...

Because they are toxic af.

The_Antiquarian

Fhaerron wrote: »

Why do people create these threads?


I'm just back because ZoS gave me beta acces to the expansion but I haven't played this since the day they changed to B2P and I don't plan on returning.
But, I do wonder why are people creating threads like the game is dead and such when they are about to stop?
I left in silence and played other games that interested me, I really have no idea why people have to make threads like these...

And do you know what is the most amazing thing about these folks? They will still play this game after another year and will post a similar posting again when dust settles down.

MagnusBlackmane

Well, this is an efficient way to rise ones comments counter up at least. Glue together some graphs, that present only a small part of the overall image, then defend the thesis based on them... Oh and let's focus on spikes of values, that are anomalies, not defining elements of a general trend.

On the other hand, the doomsayers are a natural part of the forums now... it would be awkward without them.

zaria

Belidos wrote: »

Here we go, so much BS in one inconsequential post.

I reported a little while back that we would give ESO yet another try. We did. After logging in, I struggled to find a single player actually doing anything out in the world of ESO

Currently (on the PC-EU) server, i'm finding it difficult to go anywhere without someone else coming along and jumping into my fights. The servers may not be over crowded, but there are plenty of players around, in fact at some times, during peak hours the PC-Eu server's a little too crowded fr my liking and i end up sitting at a forge crafting because there's too many people at the delve, or quest location i'm working on.

So your statement, and your charts are meaningless BS.

Don't do public dungeons during prime time.

A few zones is a bit empty, reaper mach is one, ironicaly its because its divided into too many shards because of high population but most is just in rawl'kha.

To compare, then I leveled up in wow some time after cataclysm I could play an day in the leveling zones without seeing another player.
Three reasons for this, 1) wow is split on 100 servers or something not two megaservers for pc.
2) more players are at max level. 3) the leveling zone area is larger than in eso.

Kas

Those select few who live (or plan to, please rethink btw) from twitch etc side, I don't think players should care too much about these things.

People who deeply care about the "health" of their games, have a serious problem, imho.
Sure, it's sad if there's too little action at some point in time to enjoy the game. But that's when you stop playing and the only ones that should be worried are publishers and developers.

However, it is dangerous to play a game based on its prospective health a year into the future. You should really play games because you enjoy them, stick through grinds for instant gratification and because you want to reap the benefits NOW.
Playing to build something you want to identify with in the long run is dangerous. You quickly neglect stuff like school/uni/your job/social circles/health/sports. I also spent an absurd amount of time playing ESO - but imho one NEEDS to know that accomplishments in a game are worthless and all those other accomplishments are there for the long term. It's real life, after all. While you may want to push for emp / leaderbords now and it's okay to sink your free-time, it's important to know that it's basically meaningless.

Assigning a false long-term "value" to gaming achievments makes it feel liek you're doing something good for yourself if you ignore your back pain and keep playing. You're not!

Imho you should play games because you enjoy them. If they stop being fun because they get too empty, move along. If you are pretty good in a game but there are few people to know you - who cares?

Again, I know and acknowledge that it possible to build a career from gaming, these days. But that's really not for everyone.

kevlarto_ESO

Graphs and statics can be made to say anything you want depends on how you use them, I am sure that ESO is in a decline, but not dead. I have started to have friends leave and I do not play as much as I used to.

Lets look at some facts I see when I play, zone chat is active all zones I travel to I see constant chat looking for groups and guild recruitment, typical QQ in the zone and whining and complaining the usual zone chat, I see people every where I go. Cyrodiil in prime time True flame pc/na locked across the board. There might be times of the day when the game is dead, I am not here 24/7 so experiences may vary.

My experience with ZOS being here since early closed beta, I was disappointed with them early on, zos is like electricity and will take the path of least resistance, when it comes to making content, the easiest and least imaginative thing they can come up with reskins and rehashing anything they can they are good at recycling content. Zos is not the only company that does this they all do to an extent but after awhile it takes it toll. I enjoyed the game had a blast in pvp until all the cheating and broken game mechanics sucked the fun out of it, I still like the world and the pve part of the game. But with out anything new and original the game is getting stale.

I think ZOS is riding the coat tail of a popular single player franchise, and lucky they have had such a loyal player base and nothing major has released on the market yet. I really think making mmo's is a bad idea when you use a popular single player game franchise, it comes with a lot of baggage, I hope they never make a Fallout mmo or a Witcher mmo, or a Mass Effect mmo.

Will ESO survive for a long period of time hard to tell, they still have not gone completely free to play yet even though they have all the parts in place to do so, I am not nailing the lid on the coffin yet, just moved them onto life support to see what happens LOL.

kyle.wilson

Sausage wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Google Trend isnt legit as these days we've platforms like Steam. Players dont google anymore, they just go to Steam and do their stuff there. Not to mention Console players dont use Google either. For example, for WOW still people google stuff.

I think theres hope as long F2W Weekends are able to pull 300k users. Thats solid evidence there still lots of buzz around ESO. But yeah, current state is massive challenge for Amateurish Zen, maybe they can surprise us. This has been rough road, as they didnt even understood the importance of Endgame at launch etc, basically they trusted almost entirely on the IP and still do.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Seems like ESO is "dying", it only has 23.7 times more ppl playing it on steam than in November of 2014.

So, every MMORPG since WOW has died? Was this something you expected?

But Google Trend isnt legit, thats my point, from Steam, you can directly come to ESO website, so you dont need middle-man "Google" anymore. When for example, for WoW people still use Google to go their website. Some people say 70% of PC users use Steam, so thats massive amount.

I don't think that anything approaching a majority is using steam. It really makes no sense why I would want to run a game through a 3rd party when I don't need to. Out of all the guildies and friends, I don't think any were running through steam.

But, once again using a chart when you don't understand what it's conveying is worse than just hypothesizing.
The 100% marks are reached during high points interest in the game (i.e. launch, tamriel unlimited, major DLC, and now Morrowind)
Each of those phases naturally have large upticks in interest. Then after a few months the game falls back to a baseline of interest. You have to trend the baseline and not the peaks to really understand the longevity of the game. The steam chart is useful for showing that among the players going through Steam, the game hasn't seen the massive drop in numbers that the OP was talking about. (Outside of course the players that bought the game at launch, tried it, then left)

BTW, I'm now 100% convinced that this thread was created as a troll thread.

Asardes

Well, I'll tell you why people don't search builds and other stuff in google. Just google it yourself and find out. If I search various class builds there are some but from 2 years ago, really irrelevant accounting for all the changes taking place in the mean time. So people google once, maybe twice, find out that it turns out really outdated and useless data, then they start searching on forums or more specialized sites, which have their own search, out of the google "radar". So the google searches only correlate with major patches and DLC launches, when there's a lot of publicity on the wider web. But even then some of it may be confined to other web media, like facebook or twitter. There you simply have a link that sends you directly to ESO site, without even using google. So you may actually have lots of interest peaks for the game that is not measured by google in any way.

And I'm by no means a "fanboy" but, compared to the usual forum goer, I try to understand the changes taking place, and I don't insta-cry when they are announced. I don't "shill" for the devs as some have suggested. Just don't take things emotionally and personally. I'm a pretty rational person, who doesn't take a hoot about hypes and "FOTM" stuff. I guess that comes with maturity as I'm in my mid 30s.

Balamoor

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Thelon wrote: »

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Pointless Thread is Pointless

Balamoor wrote: »

Another day another emo troll post about the game dying.

altemriel wrote: »

non-sense

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Did we need all that?

Darlgon wrote: »

I only got thru the second paragraph before I decided the writer is talking thru the opening not on top of his body. Are you looking to up your epeen?

BuddyAces wrote: »

I don't use google.

kongkim wrote: »

what do you get out of this??

Keep_Door wrote: »

So take your fancy graphs and pie charts and shove them somewhere that i cant say because of the forum rules.

zaria wrote: »

On general gaming forums eso reputation has been raising over the time

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I, too, can poorly interpret graphs.

crappyjazz1964 wrote: »

Usually if I google something about this game it's "where to find ninroot"

kongkim wrote: »

Don't get way it's so important for you to prove that the game is dying

Krileon wrote: »

ESO has shown stable growth.

Adernath wrote: »

thread is pointless.

Kiwi wrote: »

good luck in your attempt to drive traffic to wtfever that crap website you linked

Asardes wrote: »

My sales on guilds steadily increasing since One Tamriel

magictucktuck wrote: »

OP is obviously trolling, he is blatantly ignoring all the facts and only focusing on his 1% used keyword.

Thannazzar wrote: »

pathetic attempt at self aggrandisement

Alcast wrote: »

Do not like the game? Then leave instead of whining like a little kiddo about it for *** weeks.

RavenRoxie wrote: »

I truly hope the OP does not have a job in sales, because you are bad at it.

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Sigh...I'm just wondering how much longer we have to wait for the quitters to quit.

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

You must be so embarrassed! Seriously though, pointless thread is pointless.

Draqone wrote: »

ZOS has more detailed statisics

Eshelmen wrote: »

This Author is a complete idiot. Nobody is searching this game, because we're already on it! Lol

LvDPrankWars wrote: »

I cant even be *** to read all that but it is far from dead

kargen27 wrote: »

The OP has an agenda and has found something unrelated to try and support it. I am not arguing that the numbers are wrong or invented. I am saying they are unrelated to the state of the game.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Your ridiculousness is impressive.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Trump approves the OP.

Meetre wrote: »

it is a l2s (learn to stats) issue.

JD2013 wrote: »

ESO is still here.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Just stop please. It's such a waste of time.

Balamoor wrote: »

it's the same handful of people continually crying about anything they can possibly pull out of their A** and really every MMO out there has it's doomsayers, except for maybe FFXIV

AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »

I just did pvp 2 days ago hundreds of players

Hope499 wrote: »

This might be one of the most pathetic posts I have seen...

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

Why would people who are playing the game currently be searching for it. They already have it.

kargen27 wrote: »

the data is worthless.

cavakthestampede wrote: »

Google trends is not reliable

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I never search for "Elder Scrolls Online". I always type "ESO".

Balamoor wrote: »

2.5k views on a lame uninteresting thread.

Cadbury wrote: »

The data is heavily skewered toward the OP's narrative.

Darlgon wrote: »

Windows 10 forced on a lot of people, also tries to force people to use Cortana and Bing. It even removes Chrome. That alone would decrease the number of Google searches.

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Stop moaning and learn to play.

Ankael07 wrote: »

The amount of people hating ESO is real.

Pretty much.

The fanbois will never stop defending a product. It is how they be. Bonus points if you can identify one or more names on this list who consistantly defend ZOS without any arguements based on fact, data, or any sort of measurable metric in multiple threads. I know I can! But naming and shaming is against forum rules, so, play at home kids.

You can pretty much say the same thing about the PAWStards that whine consistently about everything.

Oh and it's Fan Boy two words...only hipster zeldawipers say fanboi.

RinaldoGandolphi

Asardes wrote: »

Well, I'll tell you why people don't search builds and other stuff in google.

Just google it yourself and find out. If I search various class builds there are some but from 2 years ago, really irrelevant accounting for all the changes taking place in the mean time. So people google once, maybe twice, find out that it turns out really outdated and useless data, then they start searching on forums or more specialized sites, which have their own search, out of the google "radar". So the google searches only correlate with major patches and DLC launches, when there's a lot of publicity on the wider web. But even then some of it may be confined to other web media, like facebook or twitter. There you simply have a link that sends you directly to ESO site, without even using google. So you may actually have lots of interest peaks for the game that is not measured by google in any way.

And I'm by no means a "fanboy" but, compared to the usual forum goer, I try to understand the changes taking place, and I don't insta-cry when they are announced. I don't "shill" for the devs as some have suggested. Just don't take things emotionally and personally. I'm a pretty rational person, who doesn't take a hoot about hypes and "FOTM" stuff. I guess that comes with maturity as I'm in my mid 30s.

You do realize that many folks mistake Google Trends and Google Analytics that are not the same thing...Trends takes the Top X amount of searches related to a topic and correlates them....So just type ESO into Trends means it taking the all time most popular search queries for the game and showing the trends...this is why all my other images like "eso templar builds" eso nightblade builds", etc all show the same results(meaning I was hitting some of the most popular search queries Google is using behind the scenes to make those charts.)

Folks mistake dead with losing popularity....there is a difference. I don't think the game is in any danger, but outside data suggests they haven't recovered the the loss of people after IC...i'd rather they recruit more people just for the good of the game as a whole.

Asardes

So you infer the fact that people left after certain patched and never returned from the fact they didn't search game related terms on google? As if I had an account and left the game for a while the first think I do is search on google things about the game and not hit the game website, forums and resource websites or simply log in myself to see how it's actually like since accounts, once created, will not be deleted for inactivity. What google manages to capture is only part of the vague interest about the game. The logic of your arguments is pretty flimsy.

Asardes

As for PvP specifically in EU-PC:
-Trueflame is always full for all 3 factions
- Azura has at least 2/3 lines at all times
- Haderus has always been a buff campaign where few people actually went to fight. The deleted ones were exactly the same - 1 line constantly, maybe 20 on the whole map.

Balamoor

Asardes wrote: »

So you infer the fact that people left after certain patched and never returned from the fact they didn't search game related terms on google? As if I had an account and left the game for a while the first think I do is search on google things about the game and not hit the game website, forums and resource websites or simply log in myself to see how it's actually like since accounts, once created, will not be deleted for inactivity. What google manages to capture is only part of the vague interest about the game. The logic of your arguments is pretty flimsy.

Not only that there is just a lot of incidental evidence to the contrary. I sorta knew both Neverwinter and Swtor were having issues when the guilds I were part of dwindled to next to nothing, We have a large guild in ESO that no one has left and we have stopped recruiting, I hear other guilds say the same thing.

I think a lot of people wish ESO and Zenimax ill, to the point of trolling and making lame attempts at social engineering, they label anyone that likes the game or calls them on their stupid a "Fanboi" (idiotic term) they have bullied and harassed folks who purchase homes or buy crates to the point that ZoS had to step in, and they continue to present BS metrics to back their narrative of doom. But what you won't see is any of them leave, even the ones that got perma banned for bullying went right out bought another copy of the game and continued their campaign of hate.

These forums have become a toxic wasteland and I think Matt, Richard and Gina should sit down and think of a different direction for the forums, maybe look at some of the things Square Enix does, because I don't see this unhinged hatefest stopping any time soon.

Egonieser

Empty? Wut? Maps have so many people in them you can't get a dolmen or a dungeon done without camping them. Queues for PvP servers go up in the hundred+ some nights (on PC EU) and even once dead campaigns see action which they never used to.

This was the case in 2015 before IC launch - what he describes fits perfectly for that timeframe but now? Hell no!
Maybe US servers are more dead? I don't know but EU server is certainly active, maybe a bit too active at times.

Makes me think the author just took an old post from 2015, slightly edited it to makenit seem like it's new and posted it now to get clicks or to get some agenda going. Cuz.. haters gonna hate.

And Google search.... For a game? News flash - a lot of gamers these days look for their games in their respective game platform lists (Steam, XBox/PS store) or game list websites where they are categorised and described. If a new player is looking for a new game to play - they won't search on Google for a game they don't even know, they will look up game listing/review sites and existing players won't keep using Google every single time to access the site they have already bookmarked or have in their browser history - thus the Google hits go down after their initial hits after a big marketing campaign. Most people only Google once and save it unless they forgot the site or didn't save it.

This post is utter nonsense, both by the original author and himself.

Waffennacht

Hrm, I should tell all those players playing the game is dead... Wait...

Oh yeah,

Everything mentioned has nothing to do with console and it's insanely low amount of competition

Gabrielzavadski

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schroed360

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

I love how every one of OP's rebuttals doesn't address the fact that Google analytics is worthless if you're only looking at one keyword search when dozens, even hundreds of related keyword searches are done by players who are actually in the game.

Add up all the "X guide ESO", "ESO forums", "ESO X builds", "ESO X DLC", AND all of the "Elder scrolls Online" searches, along with ALL the related fansite searches, and then you'll have real-ish, somewhat meaningful data about general interest in the game, and probably a good idea about game population.

You assume I only looked at one term....which again...is a wrong assumption.

Here is two quick images I was able to pull off my cloud drive(I don't have time to take and upload the 70+ terms I used, here is 4 for ya)







Adding up every single search term ever conceived for ESO is ridiclious and is not how trends are forecast. Google correlates multiple search queries related to ESO behind the scenes. Just searching on ESO on Google trends takes that query + a few hundred others and matches(such as ESO builds, ESO forums, ESO tips, etc) them together and correlates them against their search system worldwide...so that way you don't have to put in every single term.....if you have used their Adwords bidding program to show you the competition among various Adwords and various Adword terms related to yours, this is how it works.

Those are 4 examples of other such trends that show the same nosedive in 2015 after Imperial City release.

Again the game IMO is much better now then it was after IC release in 2015, but that's just my opinion which is of course biased.

Again, the data is there. I am not here to argue with personal biases, I am here to hopefully get ZOS to start thinking up more ideas to get more people to try ESO so we can have a larger player base. If you were not here in 2014 you don't know how many people there used to be...all the people you see in One Tamriel...times that by 10 with only your faction alone back then.

We should never settle for status quo, we should always try to improve and strive for more. Refusal to acknowledge a problem is a problem itself and does no one any good. Its not just about ESO game life....we need to make sure they make as much money as possible because future games from them depend on it....the more money they make, the more money they have for future games and current games...its in our best interests to try and get as many people to try ESO as possib
the petty insults and defensive natures really have no place here, the thread isn't antagonistic in nature, but my people started right away to turn it into that.When in reality the threads purpose is to get them to attract more players.

I m a player from day 1 and " biased" i feel that those graph are totally correct, fact could be the number of populated pvp shard switching from 10 to 1 today ( on pc eu) the number of pu group for trial/ dungeon at anytime of the day/ night ( but this is biased too).

But i think that the real analisis is money number. When à game has à good population, by good i mean the critical mass of player that pay à fee is enought to sustain bug fix and development it stay p2 play ( unless company get greedy thinking they could earn more)
When the population decrease usually you switch to B2P and the more it decrease the more you put stuff in your cash shop and rise the price accordingly.

We can all see what that évolution of the cashshop has been. ( crown crate, house that worth more than a 100 box)...

Nethertheless i disagree on the part of your post where you assume that this is not profitable for them. I think population is in no way an indication of the profitability which i m sure is great due to poeple who spend more in a minute buying a house or lots of crate than being a long term player who pay his monthly fee. Add to that that they have radicaly cut the development cost and i m pretty sure that they are totally fine to sustain that model.
So no the game we are playing now won t die as long as they will have poeple that pay for everithing they throw in cash shop.

But as i like to say and to take your word the sad truth is not that eso is dying...the sad truth is eso the real one, with a five year development plan, great community and no overgrindy layer of range intricated with overgrindy grind to incensitize convenience DIED in march 2015 exactly the day they release eso:TU.

Anyway thanks op for your time and work.
Also sorry for your loss. I ve also lost my dad from cancer 2 years ago. Was in a delve in cyrodiil when i learnt that he was sick.
Games goes on such as life...the good thing with game is that if it don t like it anymore you can find another one quite easily^^.

Sovjet

You know so many people play ESO and they never search for it, i have bookmarks so yeah.

The point is invalid that search results are lower

GreenhaloX

Interesting.. you know when something is good or when an organization/entity is highly competitive when someone or some org has drawn up an analytical piece comparable to a Master's Thesis or doctorate dissertation on its operation and consumer-wide interest or trend. Wow.. and I thought this just a game. I'm just on it to relax and enjoy something after work or an otherwise long day; to escape for a bit from the calamities of the real world. Did not know ESO has that much on the radar, consumer-wise.

RinaldoGandolphi

thank you @schroed360

Sorry to hear of your loss as well. We all lose loved ones unfortunately, at the end of the day they would want us to carry forth their legacy and be happy.

You have put up a very well thought out post here, and there is simply nothing there I can disagree with. Your views are based on historical facts with the game. Also, as i have said, I think interest in the game is less then it used to be, however that doesn't mean its the end right away. That all could change with Morrowind, just never know with these things. They just need more players and need to make sure they keep them this time.

JiKama

I don't understand ESO is pay2win... waaaaa... waaaaa.... I can buy outfits and mounts that don't give me stats.... Waaaa... Pay2win.... Let's call the Wambulance.... If it was Pay2Win you could use crowns to purchase monster helms and certain trial/dungeon sets with specific traits. THAT would be pay2win. Oh yeah..... Waaaaaaaaaaaaa

smacx250

Game's definitely dying. One time I logged into Rawl and didn't even see a single other player - not even an NPC!!! You know it's a bad sign when the NPCs are giving up on the game!