My feedback on the PTS thus far

Repentance needs to restore some amount of stamina to other players in the group, or it will be next to useless and will hurt small scale pvp, and 4 man dungeons more than anyone.

DK needs major mending to stay for 6 seconds after casting igneous, just like it was before.

Removal of major mending is arguable. Being able to get it from ritual might have been OP, but it needs to be bound to SOMETHING on the designated healing class. Restoring focus is a perfect candidate for this, as it's much more difficult to stay in a small circle than a 20m one.

Redguard change is awful. Please revert. There is no reason to choose redguard over other stamina options next patch.

Siphoning attacks is the only really outlier in terms of sustain, as it is much more powerful than any of the aforementioned tools. I would say revert the skill to it's live version, but simply lower the resources restored and change leeching to a more unique morph. Siphoning is a staple mageblade and saptank skill, and you're basically destroying those classes with the changes you made to it.

Sorcs need to be evaluated for nerfs. As it stands, they are basically going to be the best choice for pvp in general, as well as DPS and MAYBE EVEN HEALING in the next patch. Shields are going to be far too strong and will put the class way above others.

CP changes are great. 10/10. HOWEVER, the CP changes are plenty of a nerf to sustain. The class changes, in their current form, are overkill.

Consider this feedback. Much of the outrage is simply due to the sheer amount of nerfs you released, and making these changes might help maintain your playerbase.

jrgray93 wrote: »

"Repentance (Restoring Aura morph): This morph now restores Health and Stamina based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. It also only restores Stamina to the casting Templar, but continues to restore Health to the casting Templar and his allies."

To say nothing of the countless other terrible changes in these notes...

So you're saying if our healer decides to repent for healing, my stamplar loses sustain because we have to fight over corpses. No, that totally makes sense. Good decision making.

Who says your healer MUST be a Templar?

jrgray93 wrote: »

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

"Repentance (Restoring Aura morph): This morph now restores Health and Stamina based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. It also only restores Stamina to the casting Templar, but continues to restore Health to the casting Templar and his allies."

To say nothing of the countless other terrible changes in these notes...

So you're saying if our healer decides to repent for healing, my stamplar loses sustain because we have to fight over corpses. No, that totally makes sense. Good decision making.

Who says your healer MUST be a Templar?

It's a hypothetical situation that can and will happen from time to time. It doesn't even have to mean the other templar is the healer, per se. It could be another dps or even the tank. The point is you will have to fight over stamina.

If you get two stamplars in the same group I would say that's just bad luck.

There are plenty of other abilities for other classes/weapons that already work this way/are redundant such as two DPS using bow/DW where poison injection does not stack.

PUGs are not meant to be perfect group comps every time.

Well it's still lunch time in Virginia... so you will have to wait longer for the notes

wiff_wacer wrote: »

Increased the drop rate for the "Dunmer Chair, Angled" blueprint to align it with the drop rates compared to other green Dunmer blueprints.

How about the famous blue Trestle? Does that even exist?

- uh, this is manavortex. I have a second forum account now for... reasons.

Was gonna post about this after I made my way through this thread, if no one else had.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you have the team take a look at the drop rate for this one as well? In all my looting and searching guild traders, I have never come across the plan or the furniture item. I've never seen the chair, either, so I'm glad that's being fixed.

The only 2 Dunmer plans I don't have are the chair and the trestle.

Ahhhhh, you're nerfing stealth damage, poisons, and siphoning attacks...? How does one play a bosmer magicka nightblade after this update I wonder? I can't imagine it would be possible, i mean even now while currently specialized in reduction cost and magicka regen champion points, oh and the lich set, I still find it hard to keep up with magicka regen. It would be nice if you guys would just make the magicka/health morph into a toggle.

This nerf to stealth damage being applied to all classes, even nightblades is a really sore spot for me. I don't know what you guys are thinking, I mean, how does this affect bosmer/khajiit passives? Do I get a free race respec if I chose my race for the stealth damage buff?

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Seems the only Sets that will be viable are the Sustain Sets (Seducer's, etc.).

Heavy attack sets will also, including the new one that does Daedric damage. I've dueled a few people already who surprised me with a crap ton of damage with dual mace HAs. That was before this update.

In an environment where mobility, defense, self healing, and resource management are all stifled, I could see getting heavy attacked followed by ultimate then executed being the new burst meta. Yay for diverse gameplay!

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

Gomumon wrote: »

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

"Repentance (Restoring Aura morph): This morph now restores Health and Stamina based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. It also only restores Stamina to the casting Templar, but continues to restore Health to the casting Templar and his allies."

To say nothing of the countless other terrible changes in these notes...

So you're saying if our healer decides to repent for healing, my stamplar loses sustain because we have to fight over corpses. No, that totally makes sense. Good decision making.

Who says your healer MUST be a Templar?

What's the point of even having classes then? Cosmetics? Aesthetics? Go play COD and paint guns if you only want superficial or miniscule differences between archetypes.

The point of a Role Playing Game is to PLAY A ROLE! The fun is in picking a style you like to play with that class and sticking with it. Knights, Mages, Assassins, Clerics, and Rangers always have their pros and cons. To be able to be an Assassin that can heal as good as the Cleric takes away from archetypes that are a staple in RPGs and separate them from adventure games.

I think YOU are playing the wrong game. If ZoS was going by your logic nightblades, DKs, and sorcerers would not have group heals or be able to equip resto staves but guess what? They do and they can.

You're stuck on what OTHER games do, not what THIS one does.

K

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gomumon wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Seems the only Sets that will be viable are the Sustain Sets (Seducer's, etc.).

Heavy attack sets will also, including the new one that does Daedric damage. I've dueled a few people already who surprised me with a crap ton of damage with dual mace HAs. That was before this update.

In an environment where mobility, defense, self healing, and resource management are all stifled, I could see getting heavy attacked followed by ultimate then executed being the new burst meta. Yay for diverse gameplay!

Yup.

Game will become: "ESO: Cookie Cutter Builds Unlimited"...

Exactly. They seem to be having some cognitive dissonance in the development department. On one hand they're promoting a new class, more sets, a new game mode, niche champion passives, etc. which says, "We support more diversity."

On the other hand, they're putting new players on a high speed escalator, compressing the ceiling for vets, making sustain without very specific sets hard, nerfing unique archetype abilities, and homogenizing the class experience, which basically says, "We want more uniformity."

Dear ZOS, please pick one or the other. Either allow for diversity among roles, rewards and punishments for each archetype, and make more champion passives useful without gutting others; or just do away with classes, do away with CP (or give everyone the same perk as they earn more automatically), do away with set gear, and make tanking, healing, and DD totally dependent on weapons.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gomumon wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gomumon wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Seems the only Sets that will be viable are the Sustain Sets (Seducer's, etc.).

Heavy attack sets will also, including the new one that does Daedric damage. I've dueled a few people already who surprised me with a crap ton of damage with dual mace HAs. That was before this update.

In an environment where mobility, defense, self healing, and resource management are all stifled, I could see getting heavy attacked followed by ultimate then executed being the new burst meta. Yay for diverse gameplay!

Yup.

Game will become: "ESO: Cookie Cutter Builds Unlimited"...

Exactly. They seem to be having some cognitive dissonance in the development department. On one hand they're promoting a new class, more sets, a new game mode, niche champion passives, etc. which says, "We support more diversity."

On the other hand, they're putting new players on a high speed escalator, compressing the ceiling for vets, making sustain without very specific sets hard, nerfing unique archetype abilities, and homogenizing the class experience, which basically says, "We want more uniformity."

Dear ZOS, please pick one or the other. Either allow for diversity among roles, rewards and punishments for each archetype, and make more champion passives useful without gutting others; or just do away with classes, do away with CP (or give everyone the same perk as they earn more automatically), do away with set gear, and make tanking, healing, and DD totally dependent on weapons.

Very well said. I agree completely.

This patch forces players in to cookie cutter builds, using the same Sustain Sets or Heavy Attack buffing Sets, and MASSIVELY limits the effectiveness of your character if you try to deviate from one of their cookie cutter rolls.

New players are given an express pass to "the top", and veteran/high-CP players are getting punished for having played the game and achieved such high CP counts.

If ZOS really wants everyone to be on such the same level; why have levels at all? What's the point of playing the game, and taking the time to get good at it; just to have ZOS arbitrarily nuke 3 of 5 classes and punish people for doing well at their game?

Exactly the point I'm trying to make in another thread. Why even make this an RPG an not just an MMO Open-World Adventure.

Gomumon wrote: »

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

"Repentance (Restoring Aura morph): This morph now restores Health and Stamina based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. It also only restores Stamina to the casting Templar, but continues to restore Health to the casting Templar and his allies."

To say nothing of the countless other terrible changes in these notes...

So you're saying if our healer decides to repent for healing, my stamplar loses sustain because we have to fight over corpses. No, that totally makes sense. Good decision making.

Who says your healer MUST be a Templar?

What's the point of even having classes then? Cosmetics? Aesthetics? Go play COD and paint guns if you only want superficial or miniscule differences between archetypes.

The point of a Role Playing Game is to PLAY A ROLE! The fun is in picking a style you like to play with that class and sticking with it. Knights, Mages, Assassins, Clerics, and Rangers always have their pros and cons. To be able to be an Assassin that can heal as good as the Cleric takes away from archetypes that are a staple in RPGs and separate them from adventure games.

Wow it will be hard not to be toxic ...

First of all YOU're playing wrong game.
Secondly, class isn't role-defining, some classes have better role placement like dk tank or temp heal, but it isn't rule and it wasn't designed that way.
And lastly:

Gomumon wrote: »

the point of a Role Playing Game is to PLAY A ROLE

whaaaaat? where did you get it from??? Roles(DPS,HEALER,TANK) comes far far far later when RPG develops and roles became really important in MMOrpg, while not necessarily in solo RPG.

EDIT2: "Role Playing Game" means that you're playing game where you're trying to play a role in created story.
EDIT: Grammar etc.

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

"Repentance (Restoring Aura morph): This morph now restores Health and Stamina based on your character level instead of your Max Resource. It also only restores Stamina to the casting Templar, but continues to restore Health to the casting Templar and his allies."

To say nothing of the countless other terrible changes in these notes...

So you're saying if our healer decides to repent for healing, my stamplar loses sustain because we have to fight over corpses. No, that totally makes sense. Good decision making.

Who says your healer MUST be a Templar?

It's a hypothetical situation that can and will happen from time to time. It doesn't even have to mean the other templar is the healer, per se. It could be another dps or even the tank. The point is you will have to fight over stamina.

If you get two stamplars in the same group I would say that's just bad luck.

There are plenty of other abilities for other classes/weapons that already work this way/are redundant such as two DPS using bow/DW where poison injection does not stack.

PUGs are not meant to be perfect group comps every time.

Yeah, because having two stamplars in the same group should always be a bad thing and automatically suck (lol).

Funny you say that, when ZoS claims to pride themselves on the fact that this game provides so much "Freedom." If that were the case, then would we not be able to say any role/class combo (for dps) should work and be dependent on player skill and worn sets, not having "x" amount of the same in one group? In the current meta any number of mag dps can work just fine, funny how stamplars are getting the short end, among all the stamina toons.

I pity them, and I don't even play one.

In what situation does inject not stack? Are you thinking of NMG? Because, AFAIK no one wants repentance to stack (next patch it seems it won't, which is fine, but it should return stamina to the whole group), the guy just wants it to work well, so stamplars aren't utter trash.

Judging by your responses to me and others, I would say with confidence you're a troll.

Good God, this sounds exactly like how the wow forums were. It's like hollering about something that you haven't even tried yet, let alone on something that is not even released.

NO Stam recovery while blocking, remember that? "sky is falling oh no!"

What, 1T? The hell is that? This isn't the eso I know from beta!

Players will always find the best builds with what they got. If it means you gotta change, do it. Great things happen when you are out of your comfort zone, not in it.

I like most of the changes, but the Siphoning Strikes morphs seem too trivial and dumbed down for players that want variety in their build. If I'm understanding them correctly, both morphs are going to be carbon copies of each other, but cost/benefit one resource-based character or the other.

This takes away flexibility in a build, and quite frankly, discourages me from getting the skill at all. I was looking forward to getting the current morph that procs on 10% for bonus resources on any direct damage, and the other made tanking/soloing more effective.

Obviously, I'm not threatening to "quit" over this like a lot of other players. But, it almost seems to take away the meaning of the morph by making stamina builds pick one, and magicka pick another.

If this is the correct place for it, I suggest a change to Grim Focus, changing the bow to a passive that gives major endurance or something of the sort; this is merely because using more resources to use a skill that procs off of light/heavy attacks, just to recast the skill again feels clunky and doesn't flow well with other buffs. I'd even think minor savagery would do well, as there's few skills that give the buff. Simply taking the bow out of the skill and at least one of it's morphs would be great.

If nothing else, this change to Siphoning Strikes will make my stamplar tank even more sought after than nb ones. On a positive note, the increase from 16s to 20s will line up better in rotations with other buffs like Mark Target and Drain Power.