kylewwefan wrote: »

...Also, a friend needed a maul of orgnums scales redguard epic in training. I made it for her but that did not complete her quest. Do you have to craft own stuff or something?

Not only do you have to make the items to complete the writ *yourself*, but you also have to craft them with that particular character. I found this out the hard way.

Due to the infinite wisdom of ZoS, the vouchers we earn for completing MWs are not shared account-wide, nor can we deposit them in the bank like Telvar Stones. That means each character will be earning his/her own little pile of vouchers. That is, unless you have a main crafting character who you fully intend to use to complete any/all MWs you complete. Having your main crafting character do all the MWs to consolidate vouchers works fine for all the crafting lines -- unless you created a separate alt character specifically for provisioning (who learns all your recipes, first).

So ya. I have an alt who learns all my provisioning recipes, first -- he has all my blue, purple, and gold recipes. When I got my first Master Provisioning Writ, I gambled... By then, I'd learned vouchers aren't summed across my characters, so I wanted my main crafting character to complete the Master Provisioning Writ, but the alt character knew the recipe (epic/purple -- Capon Tomato-Beet Casserole). It's exactly the food I make for my main crafting character, so he had +60 of them in his inventory, but *that character did not craft them*. Worried it wouldn't work, I rolled the dice and accepted the Master Provisioning Writ with my main crafting character HOPING the pile already in my inventory would satisfy the writ. After all, *I'm the one who crafted them* (with my provisioning alt).

Lo and behold, NO DICE. The food my alt made didn't satisfy the MW requirements.

My options were to spend a ton of gold on a recipe that I already know ( ... that's dumb ... ) or drop the quest.

I dropped the quest.

I'm begrudgingly having all of my alts research traits on all weapons and armor to increase their odds of getting MWs. I can stomach doing that, even though -- really and truly -- I'm *NEVER* going to actually craft anything with these alts. It's an unnecessary grind having to log into each alt to train traits my main crafting character already knows. It's horrifically tedious, but I'm willing to do it.

HOWEVER -- two things need to be fixed.
1. Vouchers need to be account-wide. Either make vouchers a pooled-sum or make it so vouchers can be deposited in the bank like gold and Telvar Stones.
1a. If 1 is too difficult to accomplish, you NEED to make it the case that items made by an alt can be used to satisfy MW requirements so that I can complete Master Provisioning Writs with the alt who has been learning all my recipes for the last three years.
2. When you pick up a Master Writ after completing a crafting writ, IT SHOULD NOT OPEN. If someone slips and accepts it accidentally on an alt who cannot complete it, it's a waste. Maybe QA didn't bother to tell you this, but when you get your first Master Writ, it's not abundantly clear what will happen if you click "Goodbye," despite the fact that's what EVERYONE is going to do unless it's a "sure thing" Master Writ (enchanting or alchemy).

At the rate MWs appear to be dropping, it's going to take months just to get the Ebony Motif, let alone any of the other goodies available. There are levels of needless busy-work I'm willing to accept, including researching hundreds of traits on all of my alts, which is going to take at least four months (and that's if I'm diligent). But wow. This is an unnecessarily high level of dedication for a minimal amount of rewards in the short-term.

Between my main crafting character and all my alts running 4-6 writs each, it takes me an hour each day to JUST get these writs done. Been doing it every single day for over two weeks. Additionally, I'm trying to find all those motif chapters that I skipped (because they're UGLY) just so I can try to ever-so slightly increase the odds I can both receive and complete as many MWs as possible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that players who craft obsessively are *ALL* ESO+ subscribers so that we can take advantage of the infinite crafting bag. ZOS, listen to me closely: what's going to happen to those subscriptions if those players get burned out with these new layers of tedium??? This is not one of those cases where the odds of a good reward need to be nearly impossible. I promise you, if I spend an HOUR every day doing writs, but only earn 2-8 vouchers per day *WHEN I'M "LUCKY"*, I'm going to get burned out before Morrowind arrives.

Yeah I don't believe this is Rng, its more like a bug imo

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

...Also, a friend needed a maul of orgnums scales redguard epic in training. I made it for her but that did not complete her quest. Do you have to craft own stuff or something?

Not only do you have to make the items to complete the writ *yourself*, but you also have to craft them with that particular character. I found this out the hard way.

Due to the infinite wisdom of ZoS, the vouchers we earn for completing MWs are not shared account-wide, nor can we deposit them in the bank like Telvar Stones. That means each character will be earning his/her own little pile of vouchers. That is, unless you have a main crafting character who you fully intend to use to complete any/all MWs you complete. Having your main crafting character do all the MWs to consolidate vouchers works fine for all the crafting lines -- unless you created a separate alt character specifically for provisioning (who learns all your recipes, first).

So ya. I have an alt who learns all my provisioning recipes, first -- he has all my blue, purple, and gold recipes. When I got my first Master Provisioning Writ, I gambled... By then, I'd learned vouchers aren't summed across my characters, so I wanted my main crafting character to complete the Master Provisioning Writ, but the alt character knew the recipe (epic/purple -- Capon Tomato-Beet Casserole). It's exactly the food I make for my main crafting character, so he had +60 of them in his inventory, but *that character did not craft them*. Worried it wouldn't work, I rolled the dice and accepted the Master Provisioning Writ with my main crafting character HOPING the pile already in my inventory would satisfy the writ. After all, *I'm the one who crafted them* (with my provisioning alt).

Lo and behold, NO DICE. The food my alt made didn't satisfy the MW requirements.

My options were to spend a ton of gold on a recipe that I already know ( ... that's dumb ... ) or drop the quest.

I dropped the quest.

I'm begrudgingly having all of my alts research traits on all weapons and armor to increase their odds of getting MWs. I can stomach doing that, even though -- really and truly -- I'm *NEVER* going to actually craft anything with these alts. It's an unnecessary grind having to log into each alt to train traits my main crafting character already knows. It's horrifically tedious, but I'm willing to do it.

HOWEVER -- two things need to be fixed.
1. Vouchers need to be account-wide. Either make vouchers a pooled-sum or make it so vouchers can be deposited in the bank like gold and Telvar Stones.
1a. If 1 is too difficult to accomplish, you NEED to make it the case that items made by an alt can be used to satisfy MW requirements so that I can complete Master Provisioning Writs with the alt who has been learning all my recipes for the last three years.
2. When you pick up a Master Writ after completing a crafting writ, IT SHOULD NOT OPEN. If someone slips and accepts it accidentally on an alt who cannot complete it, it's a waste. Maybe QA didn't bother to tell you this, but when you get your first Master Writ, it's not abundantly clear what will happen if you click "Goodbye," despite the fact that's what EVERYONE is going to do unless it's a "sure thing" Master Writ (enchanting or alchemy).

At the rate MWs appear to be dropping, it's going to take months just to get the Ebony Motif, let alone any of the other goodies available. There are levels of needless busy-work I'm willing to accept, including researching hundreds of traits on all of my alts, which is going to take at least four months (and that's if I'm diligent). But wow. This is an unnecessarily high level of dedication for a minimal amount of rewards in the short-term.

Between my main crafting character and all my alts running 4-6 writs each, it takes me an hour each day to JUST get these writs done. Been doing it every single day for over two weeks. Additionally, I'm trying to find all those motif chapters that I skipped (because they're UGLY) just so I can try to ever-so slightly increase the odds I can both receive and complete as many MWs as possible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that players who craft obsessively are *ALL* ESO+ subscribers so that we can take advantage of the infinite crafting bag. ZOS, listen to me closely: what's going to happen to those subscriptions if those players get burned out with these new layers of tedium??? This is not one of those cases where the odds of a good reward need to be nearly impossible. I promise you, if I spend an HOUR every day doing writs, but only earn 2-8 vouchers per day *WHEN I'M "LUCKY"*, I'm going to get burned out before Morrowind arrives.

are you pc? I was listening to eso podcast that mentions a crafting mod that automatically completes your writs

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Its a bust...Initially I was excited about Housing. Now it seems there's no point at all.

The non Account sharing of vouchers is truly disheartening. It should be a physical currency so you could bank it if necessary if they are not going to make it account shared.

But by all means make it so hard to progress that someone must think that people will flock to the Cash $tore to by all their furniture packs.

well, it might be completely RNG...

or it has a bug. i actually believe a bug has been introduced with the first patch after homestead. an update has been published 7 days after homestead, right? (or RNG really really sucks)

anyway, why do I believe there might be a bug?
Besides reading all those forum threads I've discussed the subject with some crafters I know in game.
Some of them are writing down their statistics some aren't. I am personally making notes to an excel sheet every day since the homestead release, writing down with which char in which profession I got a master writ and how much it was worth.

I have 9 characters. 8 of them are doing all 6 writs a day whereas the last char is only going for blacksmithy, clothing and woodworking. So 8x6+3=51 crafting daily quests per day. I'm not sure if it has been 17 or 18 days so far. Anyway, either 867 or 918 crafting quests have been completed so far.

8 of my characters are currently researching traits and are all somewhere around the following stats:
~50 blacksmithy traits researched
~30 woodworking traits researched
~50 clothing traits researched

~5 of them know the basic styles, the purple "basic" (e.g. ancient elf) styles, mercenary, the 2 event styles, some random single style sheets (e.g. the 4 cheap assassin chapters).
~1 of them knows xyvkin style and a few more random styles.

Furthermore, I have one "master" crafter. At the moment homestead went live he had all relevant achievements, all styles and all traits that were in the game before homestead has been released. So actually it couldn't be any better at that point of time.

Yesterday I took a peak at the numbers. During the first 7 days there is a massive difference in the amount of writs I've received with my master crafter. During the last 10 or 11 days I was happy when he even received a single one. The amount I've received in the first week was 2x higher than the amount received during the last days (well, and the writs were worth *** as well).

The people I've been talking to have a bad experience with their master crafters as well. They also think there was a change in drop rate.

Of course, all this might simply be RNG. The sample rate we have is still way too low. But at this point, it feels like there is something odd going on here, like some calculations are messed up resulting in a way lower drop rate than intended.

I will post my statistics in a day or two here on the forums. Maybe others will join and we get a clearer picture on what is really going on.

In my opinion the real issue here is that ZOS (yes, I'm looking at you @ZOS_GinaBruno ) doesn't tell how this really works. As far as I've read, the drop rate increase on motifs is different depending on the motif. Furthermore, we don't know if single chapters count or if the whole motif is needed. How is trait research handled? does it matter which traits have been researched? does it matter if you have 9 traits on a single item or is the amount of researched traits what increases the drop rate? and by how much is it increased? How do the achievements increase the drop chance?

It is almost impossible to really say if there is something really wrong with the drop rate without knowing further details >_< And yet from all I've experienced so far it feels broken as hell.