Master Writs. Am I missing something?

rob_ber

After the Homestead patch I did top level writs every day on 5 of my toons. That means total of 240 writs if I did the math correctly. One of my toons is a master crafter - knows almost all motifs (except Ra Gada, Yokudan and Hist ones) and knows all traits, etc. Other toons know some motifs and some traits (on average 5 - 6 traits researched), know all flowers and all runes. From those 240 writs I got 3, maybe 4 Master Writs (totaling 32 vauchers). My master crafter is yet to see a Master Writ drop. Am I missing something or is this just a case of extremely sucky RNG?

Update: did some additional research on this topic (source: http://bit.ly/2lf4Bkn).

Specifics on MW drops:

* Alchemy – Looks at how many reagents from which you’ve completely learned all effects. - know them all, no drop
* Enchanting – Looks at the total overall rune word translations you’ve completed on that character. - know them all, no drop
* Provisioning – Looks at your collection of known purple and gold recipes. - know about 98% of all recipes (all gold and purple), no drop
* Blacksmithing, Clothier, and Woodworking – Looks at your overall motif knowledge excluding Crown-exclusive motifs and the 9 base player races. It focuses on motifs that take some effort to learn – like Xivkyn, or Minotaur, or Celestial. It also looks at you overall completion of trait research. - know all motifs (except 4 new ones and Akaviri), all traits researched. no drop

What am I missing or is my RNG really that bad?

Edit: minor typos and added Update

MarkusLiberty

I am wondering this as well. I got two woodworking master writs last week, but nothing since. Does increased motif and traint knowledge increase the chances of receiving the writs?

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I have one character that is a 9-trait master crafter and knows about 25% of all motif styles. I get 2-3 master writs every day on her.

kevlarto_ESO

I am missing the writs lol Have a maxed out crafter all professions I have got one master writ since it went live, rng hates me, or is the plan to make it slow so you will spend money in the crown store, zos loses on the part I don't buy things from crown store

anitajoneb17_ESO

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I have one character that is a 9-trait master crafter and knows about 25% of all motif styles. I get 2-3 master writs every day on her.

You're being lucky.
I have one character that has EVERYTHING craft. All recipes (ALL), all motifs (ALL - minus the 4 new ones), all traits, EVERYTHING. She gets 1 master writ a day on average, not 2 or 3.
I have 4 other chars less advanced in crafting and they get 1 every other day, all together, on average.

MasterSpatula

I've gotten 5 so far, four of which were for Woodworking, and two of those dropped from a character who knows few motifs and is still working on traits.

Add to that the low rewards from burning through PITA-to-get Malachites and Nirncruxes, and I have only one word to describe this design: Stingy.

driosketch

Lets see, 14/15 writs per day. One is a master crafter, all 9 traits across all three equipment, knows many but not all motifs. I also have a couple caracters at least 8 traits and a few 9s, but only know the basic motifs and the holiday ones. A have a handful that have effects learned on the consumable side plus the skill points spent, and one chef who knows all recipes.

I'm getting 0-3 writs per day, for about 15-20 vouchers per day. Pulled a couple big ones early, it been more like 7 per day since though. It's RNG.

danno8

My master writs by day so far, doing 12 writs a day: 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3. edit:0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.

I hope the pattern keeps up, lol.

edit: it didn't keep up. I have received none in the last full week, lol.

SirAndy

I have 4 master crafters, each one of them has *all* crafting lines maxed with all skill points spent + the treasure hunter and master gatherer perks.
That's 4 characters doing 6 max level writs each day.

So far, i have gotten one (1) master writ for a total of two (2) vouchers.

RNG hates me ...

Alex_Lex

38 mastercrafter writs, 60+ topped, 0 master writs.
No love from RNGesus

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

I've been doing max-level writs on my main master crafter and three alts since Homestead dropped. The three alts know virtually no traits or motifs. Up until homestead, it was my impression there was no practical reason to have multiple characters training traits and learning esoteric motifs other than fulfilling an OCD compulsion. Additionally, because I started playing at release in 2014, skill points weren't always plentiful: my first alt is my primary cook, which means he learns all the recipes I find, first.

And yet somehow, the alt with the least "knowledge" got a MW on the first day worth 67 vouchers. However, I accepted the writ on that alt by accident, so I had to train up a few traits over the course of a couple of days and hunt down the motif chapter necessary.

Again, I accepted it by ACCIDENT -- the stupid things shouldn't try to kick-off their quests until after I can see the item in my bag and KNOW whether or not I can complete it!!! Whoever thought having the "Accept/Goodbye" dialogue appear right when you pick up the Master Writ needs to put down the skooma pipe and realize what a bone-headed idea that was.

So now that I understand the "always hit Goodbye" mechanic, I now have a main crafter who has been slogging through every MW I am able to complete (when they drop, which is both infrequent and inconsistent) and has managed to slowly accrue about 55 vouchers since homestead released two weeks ago. I also have the provisioning alt who has earned a few vouchers because he was the only one who knew the recipes the provisioning MWs needed. Then there's the aforementioned alt who accidentally opened a writ and now has 67 vouchers.

If vouchers were shared account-wide, I'd have somewhere around 120-130 vouchers. Which only begs the question: why aren't vouchers shared account-wide??? Can we at *least* be able to deposit them in the bank like gold and Telvar stones?

So far, my subjective impression has been that there is precisely no correlation between how often MW's drop and the level of crafting "knowledge," but I don't really have a long enough time line to judge with any certainty. What I can say with certainty is that running daily crafting writs on multiple alts is a fantastically tedious slog with little short-term payout. It was nice receiving that one MW that was worth 67 vouchers -- that's still more vouchers than my other two alts have, combined. It would be even better if I could add those 67 to my account total.

Don't get me wrong, I'm mostly happy about the prospects and potential we've gotten with Homestead. It's just my personal opinion that the effort/reward ratio is still far too low. I fully intend to buy one of the manor houses when my next batch of crowns come with my ESO+ renewal, but even if I could get one NOW, I don't know nearly enough furniture blueprints. I'd strongly encourage the developers who control the frequency with which various nodes and enemies drop blueprints. It's my long-term goal to successfully purchase and tastefully decorate a big house.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

I keep getting Writs that pay out just 2 Vouchers and need Epic and Legendary stuff to be built.

So not worth the effort, or the mats.

All The Best

kylewwefan

I did writs on my main last night. Got master one for provisioning. Had to make 8 Psijic Ambrosia. Reward was 10 vouchers. Hopefully they will be worth something eventually.

Also, a friend needed a maul of orgnums scales redguard epic in training. I made it for her but that did not complete her quest. Do you have to craft own stuff or something?

SolidusPrime

Pretty much in the same boat as you, OP.

Even though motif knowledge ect may affect the drop rate in SOME way, I honestly don't believe it is meaningful enough to really matter. It's totally random in my opinion/experience.

purple-magicb16_ESO

rob_ber wrote: »

After the Homestead patch I did top level writs every day on 5 of my toons. That means total of 240 writs if I did the math correctly. One of my toons is a master crafter - knows almost all motifs (except Ra Gada, Yokudan and Hist ones) and knows all traits, etc. Other toons know some motifs and some traits (on average 5 - 6 traits researched), know all flowers and all runes. From those 240 writs I got 3, maybe 4 Master Writs (totaling 32 vauchers). My master crafter is yet to see a Master Writ drop. Am I missing something or is this just a case of extremely sucky RNG?

Update: did some additional research on this topic (source: http://bit.ly/2lf4Bkn).

Specifics on MW drops:

* Alchemy – Looks at how many reagents from which you’ve completely learned all effects. - know them all, no drop
* Enchanting – Looks at the total overall rune word translations you’ve completed on that character. - know them all, no drop
* Provisioning – Looks at your collection of known purple and gold recipes. - know about 98% of all recipes (all gold and purple), no drop
* Blacksmithing, Clothier, and Woodworking – Looks at your overall motif knowledge excluding Crown-exclusive motifs and the 9 base player races. It focuses on motifs that take some effort to learn – like Xivkyn, or Minotaur, or Celestial. It also looks at you overall completion of trait research. - know all motifs (except 4 new ones and Akaviri), all traits researched. no drop

What am I missing or is my RNG really that bad?

Edit: minor typos and added Update

Update link very insightful. This explains why some get master writs drop like rain while others continue the grind with no apparent rewards in sight. +1 for your research and thanks again!

Eleusian

Lack of transparency on this subject , I also have a master crafter with all but Akavari style & the new ones known. How much does it affect that toons RNG chance vs my others with just Skill maxed & level 50 . Does it really matter , other than being able to complete the writ?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I did 6 writs yesterday and got 2 gold master writs, woodworking and enchanting. I got 48 vouchers from woodworking (legendary-hist bark-resto staff-sharpened) and 6 from enchanting (legendary poison glyph).

I spend 50 of my 54 vouchers on those purple Hlaalu envelopes. I got 4 meh designs and 1 sweet one for an argonian throne.

KingWhyteboi

I did my first set of writs since the patch yesterday and recieved one completed it but what's the point of doing them wasting temps and such if the housing thing isn't your thing can you sell them?

MarrazzMist

In your case rng sounds more like broken than unlucky.

I've got 1 or two easy ones (2-7 vouchers) for all my 3 characters, though I haven't done writs everyday and I'm far from knowing all motifs.

sevomd69

My one and only Master writ was on my LVL 9 new toon with level 1 in all the crafting... .after 2 days of 12 toon writs...RNG will always prevail.. I have 2 master crafters btw...

Cpt_Teemo

sevomd69 wrote: »

My one and only Master writ was on my LVL 9 new toon with level 1 in all the crafting... .after 2 days of 12 toon writs...RNG will always prevail.. I have 2 master crafters btw...

Yeah this has to be bugged, I've gone 13 days now 36 writs per day, one main master crafter all rest are master crafters as well but don't know everything like my main crafter does, still 0 master writs.

I even took the time to learn the 2 complete new motifs Silken + Mazzatun as well before trying on my main crafter and still nothing.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

KingWhyteboi wrote: »

I did my first set of writs since the patch yesterday and recieved one completed it but what's the point of doing them wasting temps and such if the housing thing isn't your thing can you sell them?

Yes. You can sell them.

Zaldan

give it up peeps, as long as the numbers show to correct number of master writs have dropped from the total number of writs completed across the player base then ZO$ will just consider you unlucky, you could have all possible crafting max and not get a single master writ ever and they'd still say "Working as intended" individual player experience means nothing!

rob_ber

After a week or so observing the drop rates for Master Writs, I'm even more confused about the "mechanics" behind. Since the Homestead patch I did top level writs on 5 of my toons. Master Writ drop rate is really weird. Please, don't take this as a QQ or complaining it's just my observation:

* Master crafter has the lowest MW drop rate according to the requirements for MW drop - only got 4 of them (5,7,7 and 6 vouchers) from 108 writs handed in
* DK with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, with some knowledge of motifs, some traits, some recipes - got 1 MW from 108 writs handed in
* Tempy with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, with minimum knowledge of motifs, some traits, some recipes - 2 MW from 108 writs handed in
* PVP Tempy with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, minimum knowledge of motifs, minimum traits, some recipes - got 10 MW drops from 108 writs handed in
* Stamroc with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, minimum knowledge of motifs, minimum traits, minimum recipes - got 5 MW drops from 108 writs handed in

See the pattern? It might be just my luck, but my conclusion is less your character knows, more drops you get .... just weird

Cpt_Teemo

rob_ber wrote: »

After a week or so observing the drop rates for Master Writs, I'm even more confused about the "mechanics" behind. Since the Homestead patch I did top level writs on 5 of my toons. Master Writ drop rate is really weird. Please, don't take this as a QQ or complaining it's just my observation:

* Master crafter has the lowest MW drop rate according to the requirements for MW drop - only got 4 of them (5,7,7 and 6 vouchers) from 108 writs handed in
* DK with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, with some knowledge of motifs, some traits, some recipes - got 1 MW from 108 writs handed in
* Tempy with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, with minimum knowledge of motifs, some traits, some recipes - 2 MW from 108 writs handed in
* PVP Tempy with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, minimum knowledge of motifs, minimum traits, some recipes - got 10 MW drops from 108 writs handed in
* Stamroc with lvl 50 in all crafting trees, minimum knowledge of motifs, minimum traits, minimum recipes - got 5 MW drops from 108 writs handed in

See the pattern? It might be just my luck, but my conclusion is less your character knows, more drops you get .... just weird

If that were the case I would've had way more than 0 for the past 14 days now on 8 chars, 36 writs a day.

rob_ber

@Kyle1983b14_ESO, I see your pain mate, saw your posts about MWs. That really sucks!

Contraptions

From anecdotal data, the minimum chance of getting a master writ PER CRAFT is about 1% and maximum is about 11% (with all the relevant factors considered, meaning all traits and motifs for BS, WW, CL, all rune and reagent knowledge for AL and EN, all recipes known for PR etc).

So yes, it is possible for master crafters to get nothing, while beginners get master writs. Note that this is the chance of even GETTING a writ, there is an additional RNG of what kind of reward the writ gives that so far seems to be pure RNG.

Cpt_Teemo

Contraptions wrote: »

From anecdotal data, the minimum chance of getting a master writ PER CRAFT is about 1% and maximum is about 11% (with all the relevant factors considered, meaning all traits and motifs for BS, WW, CL, all rune and reagent knowledge for AL and EN, all recipes known for PR etc).

So yes, it is possible for master crafters to get nothing, while beginners get master writs. Note that this is the chance of even GETTING a writ, there is an additional RNG of what kind of reward the writ gives that so far seems to be pure RNG.

Could also be tied to account id / character name as well since I see the same players getting MW's every day almost

Kodrac

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Contraptions wrote: »

From anecdotal data, the minimum chance of getting a master writ PER CRAFT is about 1% and maximum is about 11% (with all the relevant factors considered, meaning all traits and motifs for BS, WW, CL, all rune and reagent knowledge for AL and EN, all recipes known for PR etc).

So yes, it is possible for master crafters to get nothing, while beginners get master writs. Note that this is the chance of even GETTING a writ, there is an additional RNG of what kind of reward the writ gives that so far seems to be pure RNG.

Could also be tied to account id / character name as well since I see the same players getting MW's every day almost

Take the tin foil hat off. Random is random.

Cpt_Teemo

Kodrac wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Contraptions wrote: »

From anecdotal data, the minimum chance of getting a master writ PER CRAFT is about 1% and maximum is about 11% (with all the relevant factors considered, meaning all traits and motifs for BS, WW, CL, all rune and reagent knowledge for AL and EN, all recipes known for PR etc).

So yes, it is possible for master crafters to get nothing, while beginners get master writs. Note that this is the chance of even GETTING a writ, there is an additional RNG of what kind of reward the writ gives that so far seems to be pure RNG.

Could also be tied to account id / character name as well since I see the same players getting MW's every day almost

Take the tin foil hat off. Random is random.

No Tin Foil here, same players in my guild chats getting them every other day while the rest get 0.

glavius

Could be some obscure reason. Like back when hirelings had not been nerfed yet: if your enchanter did not have points in aspect extraction (now called rune extraction), you would get 0 kuta in hireling mails.

Or it could be random