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Morrowind...and ESO+
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CombatPrayer✭✭✭✭Sketchy business practice at best with some clever wording there to screw all the people they think they have over a barrel with their craft bag.
Can't use crowns and have to pay for it. Yeah, so loyal customers who have been getting plus for month after month with nothing but garbage in the store to spend those crowns on get slapped in the face.
*sigh*
So glad I deleted my game. Clearly was the right choice to get out from under this bus.2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People are arguing about the wording of this access to all dlc packs, it does not mean you will have access to it right away if your a sub without paying for it. It works just like Swtor / WoW where it will be out for 6 months - 1 year before it goes to a Sub content.0 -
Bislobo✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »Sketchy business practice at best with some clever wording there to screw all the people they think they have over a barrel with their craft bag.
Can't use crowns and have to pay for it. Yeah, so loyal customers who have been getting plus for month after month with nothing but garbage in the store to spend those crowns on get slapped in the face.
*sigh*
So glad I deleted my game. Clearly was the right choice to get out from under this bus.
Yet you still QQ in the forums "Sketchy"
Redguard Dragonknight - Bislobo
Orc Nightblade - Bislobø
Redguard Sorcerer - Bisłobo
Imperial Templar - Bíslobo
Altmer Sorcerer - Bisløbo2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »Sketchy business practice at best with some clever wording there to screw all the people they think they have over a barrel with their craft bag.
Can't use crowns and have to pay for it. Yeah, so loyal customers who have been getting plus for month after month with nothing but garbage in the store to spend those crowns on get slapped in the face.
*sigh*
So glad I deleted my game. Clearly was the right choice to get out from under this bus.
Yet you still QQ in the forums "Sketchy"
There is no sketchy business to it they are providing what it says, it does not claim when you will be able to obtain dlc when your are just a sub just says you will.0 -
I think this explains dlc v expansion well enough
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2676431
Personally, i believe that it is justified seeing as how they need the funds to keep this game running for those who love it.1 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭On the eso plus page I have it showed a special char next to the all dlc stuff, so knew that didn't really mean everything...
Just preorder my upgrade tonight weeee fun times ahead.0 -
WaTeR-aBuSeR✭✭✭✭If people want this as dlc then expect to wait till the end of the year for it to come out. One dlc for arenas, one for the zone, and one for the trial/class. Honestly, the only thing missing from this are new dungeons but we get a trial. Most expansions that include new zones don't usually come with dungeons and raids. People should do some research on what previous expansions from mmos contained and be glad that's all in this one. I remember eq2 expansion that didn't even contain any new land mass, just new skills and raids.2 -
Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭Hmm... A lot has been said already, so I want to add this thought:
It feels like the people in Z's marketing department got some good consultancy from the person who designed the "Cliffs of Failure" quest in Coldharbour. Not hinting at the "failure" part here, but more at the "Overseer", you know, "if you don't like how the game is playing out, just change the rules!" Or in this case, the terminology.
Even though I'm looking forward to the new "chapter", content-wise, the comparatively quite steep price for ESO+ members feels to me like another installment in the recent series of "slaps-in-the-face".
Casino gambling boxes, months of lack of actual new content, overpriced mounts and motifs, nerfing veteran players, no storage in housing, and now this. Makes you wonder what's next, and how many more slaps the player community is willing to endure.Kind regards,
Frank
PC-EU, 12 chars, 900+CP6 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭What's sad is that ZOS could have easily released Morrowind as 2-3 DLCs throughout 2017 and the community response would have been mostly positive. I mean they could have had a Battlegrounds DLC, a Warden DLC (just like the Imperial unlock), and a Morrowind DLC as the centerpiece (or even split into two parts/chapters). This would have had players buying up ESO+ and others buying crowns galore.
Instead ZOS does what ZOS does best and they didn't even have their press release information ready to go (I mean tomorrow, really?!). So not only are they changing what they previously promised (all future DLC is included with ESO+) but they don't even explain why Morrowind is worth a separate price or why Battlegrounds and the Warden are even included with it. Their communication is as bad as it ever was and they are certainly trying to double-dip with an expansion and ESO+ just to price-gouge the community. What's sad is that every month ESO+ is a top seller on PS4 so obviously they wanted more money instead of delivering 4 DLCs per year as they promised.
And to think I was excited to come back to ESO when I saw this announcement. Now I'm just going to spend my money elsewhere.Edited by Hiero_Glyph on February 1, 2017 1:45AM5 -
ComboBreaker88✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).
So when you said that ESO Plus would include all future content.. What you really meant was all future content we feel like giving you? This is definitely class action lawsuit waiting to happen. You literally flat out lied to your customers.3 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ComboBreaker88 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).
So when you said that ESO Plus would include all future content.. What you really meant was all future content we feel like giving you? This is definitely class action lawsuit waiting to happen. You literally flat out lied to your customers.
How is it a lawsuit? It's just like Swtor / WoW where it will be available in time for those that only have a sub. It says Subs will obtain that content, but it does not say when they will.
IE: Till next dlc / expansion.Edited by Cpt_Teemo on February 1, 2017 1:38AM0 -
CombatPrayer✭✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »Sketchy business practice at best with some clever wording there to screw all the people they think they have over a barrel with their craft bag.
Can't use crowns and have to pay for it. Yeah, so loyal customers who have been getting plus for month after month with nothing but garbage in the store to spend those crowns on get slapped in the face.
*sigh*
So glad I deleted my game. Clearly was the right choice to get out from under this bus.
Yet you still QQ in the forums "Sketchy"
I heard about morrowind and wanted to check it out. I was feeling iffy based on housing. And oh look. No surprise, it turns out to be more nonsense. So yeah, I still would read the forum. Now mostly to see what new things they are going to try to pull. Nothing sketchy about it. Now it's just me watching to see how many people in this place have like one wit of sense to know when they are being screwed. Clearly, not many. Must be the gaming addiction. Junkies pretty much will let anyone do anything to them just to get a fix. Same thing here.4 -
arun_rajputb16_ESO✭✭✭✭So, Elder Scrolls Online base game is less than $40. That's over 300 hours of questing. 16 Dungeons. 3 Trials. 4 classes.
The Morrowind "Expansion pack" has 10% of the questing, 1 trial, no dungeons and one class. It's the same price
As an ESO sub, I feel very disappointed and saddened by this. I was fully expecting to get this update with my membership as advertised.
I'm going to wait a week to see if they change their minds on this. Having one class available to some players is not a good road to travel, ZOS.
I was so excited after the Twitch stream. Now I'm not. Well done, ZOS, good job.2 -
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✭✭✭arun_rajputb16_ESO wrote: »So, Elder Scrolls Online base game is less than $40. That's over 300 hours of questing. 16 Dungeons. 3 Trials. 4 classes.
The Morrowind "Expansion pack" has 10% of the questing, 1 trial, no dungeons and one class. It's the same price
As an ESO sub, I feel very disappointed and saddened by this. I was fully expecting to get this update with my membership as advertised.
I'm going to wait a week to see if they change their minds on this. Having one class available to some players is not a good road to travel, ZOS.
I was so excited after the Twitch stream. Now I'm not. Well done, ZOS, good job.
Base game was like 60-80$ at launch, its been out for 2 1/2 years no real argument there.4 -
ComboBreaker88✭✭✭✭✭ESO Plus was marketed that it would give subscribers access to ALL future content. It said nothing of just "DLC" which is exactly what Morrowwind is by the way. You can't just call it by another name and be like, "oh no, this is completely different than the other 6 DLC we have released already." Get real.8
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ComboBreaker88✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »ComboBreaker88 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).
So when you said that ESO Plus would include all future content.. What you really meant was all future content we feel like giving you? This is definitely class action lawsuit waiting to happen. You literally flat out lied to your customers.
How is it a lawsuit? It's just like Swtor / WoW where it will be available in time for those that only have a sub. It says Subs will obtain that content, but it does not say when they will.
IE: Till next dlc / expansion.
ESO Plus was marketed that it would give subscribers access to ALL future content. It said nothing of just "DLC" which is exactly what Morrowwind is by the way. You can't just call it by another name and be like, "oh no, this is completely different than the other 6 DLC we have released already." Get real.2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ComboBreaker88 wrote: »ESO Plus was marketed that it would give subscribers access to ALL future content. It said nothing of just "DLC" which is exactly what Morrowwind is by the way. You can't just call it by another name and be like, "oh no, this is completely different than the other 6 DLC we have released already." Get real.
Yes you will gain access to the future content but if you don't purchase it they don't need to give it to you right away.
IE: Swtor / WoW have been doing for years.0 -
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✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »arun_rajputb16_ESO wrote: »So, Elder Scrolls Online base game is less than $40. That's over 300 hours of questing. 16 Dungeons. 3 Trials. 4 classes.
The Morrowind "Expansion pack" has 10% of the questing, 1 trial, no dungeons and one class. It's the same price
As an ESO sub, I feel very disappointed and saddened by this. I was fully expecting to get this update with my membership as advertised.
I'm going to wait a week to see if they change their minds on this. Having one class available to some players is not a good road to travel, ZOS.
I was so excited after the Twitch stream. Now I'm not. Well done, ZOS, good job.
Base game was like 60-80$ at launch, its been out for 2 1/2 years no real argument there.
60-80 $ for 300 + h of content = 40-80 $ for 30 h content. Got it, indeed no real argument here.3 -
Bislobo✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »autumnsongbird wrote: »Sketchy business practice at best with some clever wording there to screw all the people they think they have over a barrel with their craft bag.
Can't use crowns and have to pay for it. Yeah, so loyal customers who have been getting plus for month after month with nothing but garbage in the store to spend those crowns on get slapped in the face.
*sigh*
So glad I deleted my game. Clearly was the right choice to get out from under this bus.
Yet you still QQ in the forums "Sketchy"
I heard about morrowind and wanted to check it out. I was feeling iffy based on housing. And oh look. No surprise, it turns out to be more nonsense. So yeah, I still would read the forum. Now mostly to see what new things they are going to try to pull. Nothing sketchy about it. Now it's just me watching to see how many people in this place have like one wit of sense to know when they are being screwed. Clearly, not many. Must be the gaming addiction. Junkies pretty much will let anyone do anything to them just to get a fix. Same thing here.
You only buy the package if you want, it's not like like zos is pointing a gun at you, forcing you to buy their wares. So you only get "screwed" if you want. If you think it is worth the money, buy it, if you don't, save your money. It's really that simple.
Edited by Bislobo on February 1, 2017 1:57AMRedguard Dragonknight - Bislobo
Orc Nightblade - Bislobø
Redguard Sorcerer - Bisłobo
Imperial Templar - Bíslobo
Altmer Sorcerer - Bisløbo1 -
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno do you know, will there be a crown store option to buy Morrowind?
No - Morrowind can only be purchased digitally or through a retailer. As it's not a DLC game pack but an entirely new Chapter, it will not be in the Crown Store.
Absolutely disappointing.1 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭I expect to get my money's worth ESO
I expect the full Morrowind experience. I want my sword to miss 95% of the time even at a good level. and I expect everyone to walk around like thev've soiled there pants. Also cliff racers lots and lots of cliff racers.4 -
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✭✭✭mrkaco_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno do you know, will there be a crown store option to buy Morrowind?
No - Morrowind can only be purchased digitally or through a retailer. As it's not a DLC game pack but an entirely new Chapter, it will not be in the Crown Store.
Absolutely disappointing.
I believe the reason why they did this is because of the monthly 1500 crowns we get with the sub my guess.0 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »mrkaco_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno do you know, will there be a crown store option to buy Morrowind?
No - Morrowind can only be purchased digitally or through a retailer. As it's not a DLC game pack but an entirely new Chapter, it will not be in the Crown Store.
Absolutely disappointing.
I believe the reason why they did this is because of the monthly 1500 crowns we get with the sub my guess.
And yet they could have easily priced it at 5-6k crowns and made a minimum of 4 months of ESO+ to offset that price. Having a physical release should never counter a digital version for your active community. It's Morrowind in 2017, not 2002.2 -
olivesforge wrote: »
The difference between DLC and Expansion
It's really incredibly simple. You can log into ESO or Morrowind and play the game, because a base game and expansion have the base game files, so they can run the whole shebang. DLCs, by their nature, you can't. There is no standalone Gold Coast or Orsinium. There is no Thievesguild.exe. There's your difference.
Sorry for truncating your post. See this is the thing that is genuinely confusing to me. I don't think i've ever come across an expansion for a game that hasn't required the base-game.
Think Tribunal, Bloodmoon, WotLK and countless others.
So either Morrowind (the new one) is a standalone (in which case it's a separate game entirely with no connection to the base-game of ESO) and runs entirely independently or it's classified as an expansion (which relies on having the base-game from the get-go)
As a standalone title with no connection to ESO then that's an entirely different subject. And it's also academic as we know it's not disconnected.
So we know it's not a standalone, so that puts it in the DLC/Expansion ballpark.
Which then brings us full circle.
Apologies for the tremendous amount of hyphens.
Apples and oranges. A ridiculous comparison, in fact. The expansions you mention are for a single player game that had no subscription in order to play. You paid to install new content, plain and simple.Edited by hingarthuub17_ESO on February 1, 2017 2:08AM0 -
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✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »mrkaco_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno do you know, will there be a crown store option to buy Morrowind?
No - Morrowind can only be purchased digitally or through a retailer. As it's not a DLC game pack but an entirely new Chapter, it will not be in the Crown Store.
Absolutely disappointing.
I believe the reason why they did this is because of the monthly 1500 crowns we get with the sub my guess.
And yet they could have easily priced it at 5-6k crowns and made a minimum of 4 months of ESO+ to offset that price. Having a physical release should never counter a digital version for your active community. It's Morrowind in 2017, not 2002.
Also you get what you pay for, you got crowns & craft bag and the 10% xp boost ontop of all that, WoW gives you nothing to sub and yet more people play WoW than Swtor, Eso, FF14, and probably most of the MMO's on the current market atm put together.1 -
Sinthrax✭✭✭✭They could have just as easily put Homestead in the crown store for $40 too. They didn't. This is $40 for an EXPANSION. I bet you all bought the $45 mount though, didn't you? I skipped the $45 mount and the $60 motif. There is the real ripoff...not this expansion. If you want to complain...complain about crown store prices. At least then it will be legitimate.2 -
mvffins✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »
And yet they could have easily priced it at 5-6k crowns and made a minimum of 4 months of ESO+ to offset that price.
They might eventually release it on the crown store. To be honest I'm not a pre-order kind of guy as the only games I ever pre-ordered were Skyrim, Oblivion, and ESO....Eh that makes it sound like I would pre-order this too doesn't it lol <.<
Anyways I'd rather hear reviews in-game from other players on what the expansion offers before I buy it primarily:
1) Warden Skills
2) Size of area
3) The drops!
4) Quests -Already disappointed that it is only 30hrs, gotta throw in some more Caldwell or Darian appearances, Naryu is great though.
And I then plan on waiting for the price to drop. ALTHOUGH! If they release spell-crafting and jewelcrafting and make them only accessible in morrowind........that won't be cool ZOS.
Edited by mvffins on February 1, 2017 2:17AM0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭They could have just as easily put Homestead in the crown store for $40 too. They didn't. This is $40 for an EXPANSION. I bet you all bought the $45 mount though, didn't you? I skipped the $45 mount and the $60 motif. There is the real ripoff...not this expansion. If you want to complain...complain about crown store prices. At least then it will be legitimate.
Never brought a motiff off the crownstore never will the only mounts ive brought were the grey wolf (because wolves) and the horse thats on fire -ish (cant remember the name it was one of the first unique mounts or w/e).Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
mvffins✭✭✭I expect to get my money's worth ESO
I expect the full Morrowind experience. I want my sword to miss 95% of the time even at a good level. and I expect everyone to walk around like thev've soiled there pants. Also cliff racers lots and lots of cliff racers.
I second introducing miss rates, awkward walking, and annoying birds.0
