Merenwen_812 wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

tspecherb14_ESO wrote: »

Meh. I paid for Wow for a good number of years and still had to pay for expansions, so there is precedent. I personally have no issue with this. There is a distinct marker here as far as DLC versus expansion and ESO: Morrowind meets that threshold.

What is that distinct marker?

Hell, even ZOS were uncomfortable about calling it an Expansion in the stream.

the distinct marker?

you could play it as it is without touching the rest of the game.....

start at toon there and never leave.

Yeah but... you can do that in literally every zone (including the dlc zones lulz) now we have OneTam.

You still need to either own the base-game or purchase the base-game along with Morrowind. So i'm still really not seeing where the difference is.

edit: typo

but you don't need the base game to play morrowind, as they stated you can buy morrowind without owning eso and play it. they also said once you beat the main storyline of morrowind you will have access to eso:one tamriel.

so it's similar to any game that has a sequel and they give you the first game free (Fractured But Whole comes to mind where I will get the Stick of Truth free with it)

You can't buy Morrowind without the base-game being part of the purchase though. Have a look at the options. It's a bolt-on, which is where the issue seems to reside.

You can wayshrine over to the Gold Coast straight out of character creation (if you've purchased or rented the dlc) and never touch the 'base-game', but that doesn't mean the Gold Coast is an expansion.

Good to know Zenimax has decided to screw over their Subs. I've been playing this game since Beta, I subbed since the start, and I helped keep this game from running.

I have cancelled my Subscription, Zenimax can opt for undoing this absurd scam, or I refuse to pay a single dime to ZOS for this. Ill still play the game, but I'll do so for free with the sole purpose of using up server load.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Subscriber who feels this way, so if money is all you care about, ZOS, I hope this hurts your wallet.

1 day, 22 hours = 47 hours
10 days, 17 hours = 257 hours
19 days, 6 hours = 462 hours
56 days 22 hours = 1366 hours

this is the /played times on all of my characters. netting me 2132 hours of play time on this game. So whats the point of those hours? the game as said on eso live today was packaged at 300 hours of play time. that 300 hour package when the game released was probably counting towards doing all the pve story quests, getting skyshards, and doing all the dungeons maybe once. the play time on my newest character, at 47 hours consisted of running through only the main story and my starting faction quest line on xp pots the whole time. then running around getting lore books for mages guild+ maybe 4 dungeons so far. If I had done all the side quest instead, then also caldwells silver and gold at a more casual pace, then I can see the 300 hour mark being feasible on a single character.

So what does that mean? it means the "packaged" total time slapped onto the the game and dlc's etc have little to do with the replayability of the game itself. i didnt spend 2k+ hours in game replaying the main and faction story lines. and I won't be doing so in the Morrowind expansion either. Im gonna be pvping on the battlegrounds, even in cyrodiil still, and doing new dungeons etc. The replayability I expect from battlegrounds is worth the 40$ imo if I paid 60$ when the game first came out to get the same cyrodiil for years and I'm still playing it on the same roads and bridges with most of the map untapped because fights usually dont occur there. Why? because I like this game and i think its fun. So I keep coming back to play. thats really it.

Whether or not you buy it, the choice is yours. Its up to you.

If you don't like the price don't buy it.

If your unsure if it will be worth it, wait till gameplay videos come out. No ones asking you to pre order or buy on day one.

If your mad that your subscription doesnt get you the expansion then cancel your sub. It's been optional since eso went BTP anyway. If your mad about lack of paid dlc's then you should have cancelled sub months ago. I don't know how people couldn't tell that the monthly crowns+ craft bag were basically worth more than the dlc part of the sub once craft bags came out.

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

If ESO+ won't give access to it, it means ZOS can be sued for false advertising. It doesn't matter what ZOS calls it, it still is DLC.

ZOS define "downloadable content" in their TOS on this website as "Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax's control", this would include Morrowind, regardless of their disingenuously saying it is not DLC because it is a new 'chapter'. Since it is not standalone content - it requires the base game to be played - it is ESO DLC. It is also only about 50% larger than Orsinium in terms of content (based on 30 hrs of content vs 20 hrs).

Does this mean we can sue them for not living up to the terms of the ESO+ membership, which originally stated that it includes 'all current and future downloadable content free' for current members?

Well as with most subscription models ZOS has the right to change the terms of the subscription at any time, however they would need to have advised existing subscribers of any changes to those terms directly, not just by chancing the blurb on the sub purchase page. As far as I know people like myself who have had an active sub since it was first introduced have received no such direct notification of a change of the terms of the subscription.

To be clear, I and most others who originally retained ESO+ did so because of the access to all future DLC, the crowns and craftbag were added later as fringe benefits.

I would definitely be cancelling my sub immediately in view of the fact that morrowind is not included if not for the fact that the lack of inventory space locks me into the craft bag, which I require as a mastercrafter in all trades.

Regardless, ESO+ is VERY poor value now, we have undeniably NOT received the promised regular free DLC supposed to be included in it and ZOS seem to be attempting to draw in new players and shafting loyal original players who have been supporting the game since pre launch on PC.

Having said that, I love this game and have thrown a lot of money at it and will continue to do so for epic new content such as what the Morrowind looks like it will be!

What exactly would be the basis for the lawsuit

BosmeriPride wrote: »

Good to know Zenimax has decided to screw over their Subs. I've been playing this game since Beta, I subbed since the start, and I helped keep this game from running.

I have cancelled my Subscription, Zenimax can opt for undoing this absurd scam, or I refuse to pay a single dime to ZOS for this. Ill still play the game, but I'll do so for free with the sole purpose of using up server load.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Subscriber who feels this way, so if money is all you care about, ZOS, I hope this hurts your wallet.

Why would you think money is not all that they care about... without money people would lose jobs and there would be no game...

olivesforge wrote: »

The difference between DLC and Expansion

It's really incredibly simple. You can log into ESO or Morrowind and play the game, because a base game and expansion have the base game files, so they can run the whole shebang. DLCs, by their nature, you can't. There is no standalone Gold Coast or Orsinium. There is no Thievesguild.exe. There's your difference.

Sorry for truncating your post. See this is the thing that is genuinely confusing to me. I don't think i've ever come across an expansion for a game that hasn't required the base-game.

Think Tribunal, Bloodmoon, WotLK and countless others.

So either Morrowind (the new one) is a standalone (in which case it's a separate game entirely with no connection to the base-game of ESO) and runs entirely independently or it's classified as an expansion (which relies on having the base-game from the get-go)

As a standalone title with no connection to ESO then that's an entirely different subject. And it's also academic as we know it's not disconnected.

So we know it's not a standalone, so that puts it in the DLC/Expansion ballpark.

Which then brings us full circle.

Apologies for the tremendous amount of hyphens.

lehran wrote: »

@P3ZZL3 See this post by Gina; future DLC isn't going to be gated behind Morrowind.

Unless of course they decide to call it an "Expansion".

olivesforge wrote: »

Morrowind is far more sizeable. Wrothgar had 20 hours of total content, and according to devs Morrowind's main storyline is 30 hours. Can you spot the difference between those two statements?

One is hype from 2015 and the other one is new hype? Final answer.

Anhedonie wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

But is it possible to purchase it from crown store post-release? Like I did with imperial and adventure pack?

I'd bet it'll be available in the crown store after. But how long after is the question. 6 months? a year?

I am glad they are finally making an expansion with PvP and PvE content. The value on this expansion is more than 39$ if you compare it with the absurd amounts of cash people spend on Mounts/costumes/pets.

That's what you get for being a sub. Keep paying that $15 a month for that crafting bag.

BosmeriPride wrote: »

Good to know Zenimax has decided to screw over their Subs. I've been playing this game since Beta, I subbed since the start, and I helped keep this game from running.

I have cancelled my Subscription, Zenimax can opt for undoing this absurd scam, or I refuse to pay a single dime to ZOS for this. Ill still play the game, but I'll do so for free with the sole purpose of using up server load.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Subscriber who feels this way, so if money is all you care about, ZOS, I hope this hurts your wallet.

I suspect you are probably in the minority. Say, you don't happen to have your account bag/bank slots maxed, do you? Just wondering if lightning hit twice, here.

For me, buying it was a no brainer. I didn't even wait until the end of the live stream to pre-order it. Standard Edition is essentially 5500 Crowns, and I would have paid that for a Vvardenfell DLC, plus I get the costume and pet. I know the costume will probably be pretty average and the war dog was kidnapped from some EP player. The Crate and Scrolls are worthless. Jury is out on the treasure maps.

Think what you will, but first day pre-orders could be making this Chapter a success already. Bethesda will be watching this over the next couple of days, but this expansion might outsell the original game.

Netherscorn wrote: »

This is some of the shiftiest marketing/baiting I've ever encountered. Their obvious use of duplicitous and ambiguous semantics really offends my sense of what this game has been about, thus far. "It's not a DLC, it's an entirely new chapter" ...This is just a stupid way of saying "Yes, you've been paying your car insurance for years now, but we can't cover your recent damages because it wasn't a 'vehicle accident', it was a 'traffic collision', and for some reason there's a difference, however arbitrary."

F....THAT.

Yea, the actual content is likely to be pretty awesome, but come on...Are we just supposed to accept that our monthly sub fee is just for a crafting material bag?

This is all totally outrageous actually lol

Yeah, after mulling it over for a bit, I've come to the conclusion that I can't accept it.

-You have successfully cancelled your membership.

ninjaguyman wrote: »

1 day, 22 hours = 47 hours
10 days, 17 hours = 257 hours
19 days, 6 hours = 462 hours
56 days 22 hours = 1366 hours

this is the /played times on all of my characters. netting me 2132 hours of play time on this game. So whats the point of those hours? the game as said on eso live today was packaged at 300 hours of play time. that 300 hour package when the game released was probably counting towards doing all the pve story quests, getting skyshards, and doing all the dungeons maybe once. the play time on my newest character, at 47 hours consisted of running through only the main story and my starting faction quest line on xp pots the whole time. then running around getting lore books for mages guild+ maybe 4 dungeons so far. If I had done all the side quest instead, then also caldwells silver and gold at a more casual pace, then I can see the 300 hour mark being feasible on a single character.

So what does that mean? it means the "packaged" total time slapped onto the the game and dlc's etc have little to do with the replayability of the game itself. i didnt spend 2k+ hours in game replaying the main and faction story lines. and I won't be doing so in the Morrowind expansion either. Im gonna be pvping on the battlegrounds, even in cyrodiil still, and doing new dungeons etc. The replayability I expect from battlegrounds is worth the 40$ imo if I paid 60$ when the game first came out to get the same cyrodiil for years and I'm still playing it on the same roads and bridges with most of the map untapped because fights usually dont occur there. Why? because I like this game and i think its fun. So I keep coming back to play. thats really it.

Whether or not you buy it, the choice is yours. Its up to you.

If you don't like the price don't buy it.

If your unsure if it will be worth it, wait till gameplay videos come out. No ones asking you to pre order or buy on day one.

If your mad that your subscription doesnt get you the expansion then cancel your sub. It's been optional since eso went BTP anyway. If your mad about lack of paid dlc's then you should have cancelled sub months ago. I don't know how people couldn't tell that the monthly crowns+ craft bag were basically worth more than the dlc part of the sub once craft bags came out.

I agree.

For starters, the £29.99 purchase price can be divided between my 12 characters, each of whom will spend far more than 30 hours in Morrowind over the coming years. I can see that there's an argument to be made that it should be included for subscribers like me but I can also see the reason for treating it as an expansion rather than as a standard DLC. I don't feel that ZOS made me any sworn promises let alone that they have broken any, and besides the cost is trivial for the amount of pleasure I'll get out of it, and as such it's something that's simply not worth getting all steamed up over.