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Housing too expensive
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EnviousStruggle✭✭✭how many crowns you can buy for $400?
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Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭EnviousStruggle wrote: »@castigulaub17_ESO
you know how many 3.8 millions gold in cash?
its near $494 on black market atm (in average)
And ZOS doesn't sell gold, they sell things, so it's in their interests not to push people towards buying gold from goldfarmers, they will make buying things with Crowns look more appealing.
Perhaps you did not think that one through to completion...
To buy a manor from 'gold farmers', someone would need to pay over $400, and would be compromising their account which could be permanently be banned for doing so.
But hey, we all see why you might go to such extremes for a cosmetic structure to stand in and do nothing. Wait, why do you need a house again? Kind of fuzzy on how you're being 'pushed'...1 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭I'm very curious to see how the houses will be priced in crown store, i really have no idea.
Personally i'd think it's better to sell 10 houses for 5k crowns then 1 for 10k (the numbers are irrelevant).
I would've preferred the CS houses to be different from the ones you buy with gold because it makes it impossible to add a feature where you can upgrade as in move to another home and get a certain amount of the gold from your old home back.
Sorry, i know my english is bad
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Nuntjako✭✭✭I'm totally fine with the house prices. I actually thought that they would be more costly. I feel it's only good that people have something to strive for. Earning gold in this game is actually quite easy.
I'm not that fond of the crown store. I an my ideal game everything should be achievable ingame, but I understand that this is a business and I choose to accept that.
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Nuntjako✭✭✭castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »
How is making it more accessible spoiling it for you? LOL, you just want to have that elitist trophy. What you don't understand, is that your are in a very small, yet very vocal minority. If you care about the game, you will want this content accessible to everyone. I am speaking of Large and smaller houses. Keep your Manor trophy. Why do you have a need to block content to other players. Does it really make you upset that everyone can enjoy this content. You should be happy that other people have a chance to obtain housing. Its good for the longevity of the game. The simple fact is that most people can not afford anything over a small house. There is something wrong with the overpriced pay gate. I do agree with the over all sentiment that the minority of rich players need an elitist trophy. Keep the manors as that trophy.
I don't agree with you on a number of your points. I don't at all feel that players that are fine with the housing prices are a "very small minority". I actually haven't met a single player that find the prices too high. And i'm in a guild where there is a varity of different players; lot of casual players and new players actually.
Being fine with house prices doesn't make one an elitist. I could care less which houses people are buying and why they are buying. I want something to strive for and work towards.
Nobody is blocking content. Housing is accessible to everyone. Everyone gets a free home and can start furnishing it. If they like this feature of the game and need a bigger place they can start working on getting more gold. It's like pretty much any other aspect of the game; To do all of the content you have to spend some time honing you skill, gear etc.
This is actually good for the longevity of the game. It's not when you make everything easy accessible to everyone.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnviousStruggle wrote: »how many crowns you can buy for $400?
i will not be sursprised if crown price of manor will be near same value
No. ZOS is not going to base their prices on the black market going rate for 3.8 million gold. Don't be silly.Bryanonymous wrote: »Wait, why do you need a house again?
I've been asking myself that over the last couple of days. Through in-game means, I have not figured out how to put a fire in a fireplace. I can buy wood, fireplace, in the Crown Store, but it just sits there daring me to try and light it. I can buy a furnished house with a fire already going, but that item is not available in the Crown Store. I can buy a campfire that burns, but that looks stupid in the fireplace. Placing a "cooking station" does not place a cooking crafting station, but it does light, and does not fit in a fireplace. I am sure that will cause no end of confusion for years to come.
The more I look at this, the more I think they are going to need a few more patches and updates to make this something that is worth spending gold or Crowns on. Right now, the only apparent value of a house is as a status symbol (for the players) and a gold sink and Crown sales device (for ZOS/Bethesda). Given how they are removing recipes for items that were not intended to be craftable, my guess is that only people willing to spend Crowns will be happy with housing.
So, yeah, housing is overpriced (Gold) and it will be both expensive and overpriced in Crowns.
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »EnviousStruggle wrote: »@castigulaub17_ESO
you know how many 3.8 millions gold in cash?
its near $494 on black market atm (in average)
And ZOS doesn't sell gold, they sell things, so it's in their interests not to push people towards buying gold from goldfarmers, they will make buying things with Crowns look more appealing.
Perhaps you did not think that one through to completion...
To buy a manor from 'gold farmers', someone would need to pay over $400, and would be compromising their account which could be permanently be banned for doing so.
But hey, we all see why you might go to such extremes for a cosmetic structure to stand in and do nothing. Wait, why do you need a house again? Kind of fuzzy on how you're being 'pushed'...
I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote.
Let me make it nice and simple for you. I'll keep my words small.
ZOS would like you to buy the houses from them and not buy gold from the bad people.2 -
Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »EnviousStruggle wrote: »@castigulaub17_ESO
you know how many 3.8 millions gold in cash?
its near $494 on black market atm (in average)
And ZOS doesn't sell gold, they sell things, so it's in their interests not to push people towards buying gold from goldfarmers, they will make buying things with Crowns look more appealing.
Perhaps you did not think that one through to completion...
To buy a manor from 'gold farmers', someone would need to pay over $400, and would be compromising their account which could be permanently be banned for doing so.
But hey, we all see why you might go to such extremes for a cosmetic structure to stand in and do nothing. Wait, why do you need a house again? Kind of fuzzy on how you're being 'pushed'...
I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote.
Let me make it nice and simple for you. I'll keep my words small.
ZOS would like you to buy the houses from them and not buy gold from the bad people.
Wow, you just don't get it. No one is going to pay $400 for gold. How are you not seeing that your point is ridiculous?0 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »EnviousStruggle wrote: »@castigulaub17_ESO
you know how many 3.8 millions gold in cash?
its near $494 on black market atm (in average)
And ZOS doesn't sell gold, they sell things, so it's in their interests not to push people towards buying gold from goldfarmers, they will make buying things with Crowns look more appealing.
Perhaps you did not think that one through to completion...
To buy a manor from 'gold farmers', someone would need to pay over $400, and would be compromising their account which could be permanently be banned for doing so.
But hey, we all see why you might go to such extremes for a cosmetic structure to stand in and do nothing. Wait, why do you need a house again? Kind of fuzzy on how you're being 'pushed'...
I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote.
Let me make it nice and simple for you. I'll keep my words small.
ZOS would like you to buy the houses from them and not buy gold from the bad people.
Wow, you just don't get it. No one is going to pay $400 for gold. How are you not seeing that your point is ridiculous?
That was my point - that nobody will pay $400 for a house...not talking about gold though...omg haha...okay let's make it more simple for you.
ZOS won't price things so it is cheaper to buy from a bad man, they will price things so you would like to buy from ZOS.
So people saying the houses will be like $400 or more because of goldseller prices...are insane. ZOS wants to sell things. Pretty sure they know people won't shell out $400 or $700 like some people have suggested (because of goldseller prices).
So the price of houses in Crowns will not be comparable to goldseller prices, let alone more expensive.
Okay you following yet or you going to immediately post here all confused and make me explain what's going on again?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »EnviousStruggle wrote: »@castigulaub17_ESO
you know how many 3.8 millions gold in cash?
its near $494 on black market atm (in average)
And ZOS doesn't sell gold, they sell things, so it's in their interests not to push people towards buying gold from goldfarmers, they will make buying things with Crowns look more appealing.
Perhaps you did not think that one through to completion...
To buy a manor from 'gold farmers', someone would need to pay over $400, and would be compromising their account which could be permanently be banned for doing so.
But hey, we all see why you might go to such extremes for a cosmetic structure to stand in and do nothing. Wait, why do you need a house again? Kind of fuzzy on how you're being 'pushed'...
I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote.
Let me make it nice and simple for you. I'll keep my words small.
ZOS would like you to buy the houses from them and not buy gold from the bad people.
Wow, you just don't get it. No one is going to pay $400 for gold. How are you not seeing that your point is ridiculous?
Are you suggesting that at present no one buys gold from gold sellers?
I find that pretty unlikely. Gold sellers usually make gold by stealing poorly secured accounts or by using automated programs to farm. So their costs are very low - the machines to run the game (on the lowest possible settings presumably, I can't see them worrying about the graphics), an internet connection and maybe copies of the game if they can't steal enough accounts. Therefore they don't need to charge much to make a profit.
The fact that they are charging so much (I assume the price is accurate, I haven't looked myself) strongly implies that someone, somewhere is paying it. Otherwise they'd drop the price until it does sell.
Maybe people don't normally buy 4 million gold in one go, and therefore the prices seem more reasonable. If it's $400 for 4mil that would be $40 for 400,000 and if you're looking at a choice between a new mount and that much gold for your money maybe it doesn't seem half bad. (Assuming you don't realise it puts your account at risk.) But I don't believe the sellers would price it that high if it didn't sell at all.
And if we assume gold does sell for that much then I think Betheny is absolutely right that ZOS will want to undercut them by pricing houses lower so people buy houses from the crown store directly instead of buying gold from a gold seller to use on a house.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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EnviousStruggle✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »EnviousStruggle wrote: »how many crowns you can buy for $400?
i will not be sursprised if crown price of manor will be near same value
No. ZOS is not going to base their prices on the black market going rate for 3.8 million gold. Don't be silly.
@lordrichter
quoted you so you cant edit your post later
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EnviousStruggle✭✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »
Wow, you just don't get it. No one is going to pay $400 for gold.
you simply wrong
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✭✭My issue is availability. Unless everyone can eventually have a manor house, scrap it and start over.
The prices for housing were announced a little more then 2 weeks. I went from having 20k in my bank to 1.3 mil. I also have a 40 wk job, and a family. It's not that hard to earn gold in this game. Just learn where to grind for gold and what to sell on guild vendors."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."1 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭EnviousStruggle wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »
Wow, you just don't get it. No one is going to pay $400 for gold.
you simply wrong
You're really hoping people are going to find buying houses with gold more appealing aren't you.
I don't think that would be in ZOS's best interests.0 -
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✭Let's look at the most recent ratio of Crown to gold conversion that we got from transforming Mimic Stones into Stahlrim style material.
Currently, the style materials sell for just over 6k gold on PC EU.
For simplicity, let's round that down to 5k.
12 Mimic Stones sell for 600 Crowns, meaning 50 Crowns per Mimic Stone.
Considering the above prices, the current Crown : gold ratio is 1:100.
If the Manors sell for 3,8kk gold, they should be 38k Crowns in the Store (unfurnished).2 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭its ok, why would i spend gold on the crap houses anyway? stop and think, what do you get from housing? nothing, no boosts to stats, no storage, put a moutn or pet in them its like watching a statue. houses are horrible. as well as they look like sheogorath made them in a moment of lucidity.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Let's look at the most recent ratio of Crown to gold conversion that we got from transforming Mimic Stones into Stahlrim style material.
Currently, the style materials sell for just over 6k gold on PC EU.
For simplicity, let's round that down to 5k.
12 Mimic Stones sell for 600 Crowns, meaning 50 Crowns per Mimic Stone.
Considering the above prices, the current Crown : gold ratio is 1:100.
If the Manors sell for 3,8kk gold, they should be 38k Crowns in the Store (unfurnished).
Lawl...so you think ZOS expects people to buy EIGHT 5500 packs one by one to buy just one house...that nobody can even see belongs to you...?
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EnviousStruggle✭✭✭EnviousStruggle wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »
Wow, you just don't get it. No one is going to pay $400 for gold.
you simply wrong
You're really hoping people are going to find buying houses with gold more appealing aren't you.
I don't think that would be in ZOS's best interests.
thing is evil gold sellers always can tune their prices
so they always be cheaper than ZOS prices0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EnviousStruggle wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »EnviousStruggle wrote: »how many crowns you can buy for $400?
i will not be sursprised if crown price of manor will be near same value
No. ZOS is not going to base their prices on the black market going rate for 3.8 million gold. Don't be silly.
@lordrichter
quoted you so you cant edit your post later
Won't be necessary. They are not going to base their prices on Black Market. Period.
Edit: Why? Because I am sure the black market gold sellers can adjust their gold prices a lot faster than the Crown price will change... which is never.Edited by Elsonso on January 10, 2017 3:00PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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david19979✭✭✭I don't have much problem with the pricing, but I am not going to spend millions on a big house or a manor I can't properly furnish due to the low limit. Zos pls increase the limit for both subscribers and non-subscribers.1
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Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just to put in my opinion.
I cecked the prices of the homes in pts and i choosed a large one as my favourite.
Now usually i have 5-10k gold as a main pvp player but i need over a million for the home i want, in two days of trading i've earned 270k gold and i believe i Will reach the million gold price tag in 10 days.
I agree that the home price is right and i also agree that il you want something you have to earn il, 10 days of the merchant game is not going to kill anyone ...
Edited by Tonnopesce on January 10, 2017 5:35PMSignature3 -
Bryanonymous wrote: »carlystclair_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
I've put 700 hours into this game. I don't and will never have that kind of gold.
Someone might put 700 hours into vet dungeons, but it will not make them emperor. You removed the context of which activity I was referring to with regards to putting in time. There's a player who sits in Rawl zone chat for hours every day. He's also putting time in. Please pay attention to context. If you put 700 hours into playing the market and you don't have 5 million or more in wealth, then you must be giving stuff away for free.
Caps so people understand:
PLAYING THE MARKET IS PART OF THE GAME. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE, THATS NO ONES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN.
And besides the point above, there are plenty of houses for players who choose not to play the market. This entitlement to the best housing is purely ego, which unlike the PvP player who might feel entitled to a monster helm just for playing PvP, you can't raise any point about these houses giving any kind of advantage at all. They are cosmetic and people need to get over it. Some of us played the market game and deserve to have nice rewards for it. Others are just jealous that they didn't, and want to spoil it for everyone.
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No, I don't feel entitled to anything. I do agree there should be a reward for your effort. However, I believe there should also be a reward for mine. Just because our time is spent differently, it's still time. Your time is valuable and so is mine. How many people enjoy and participate in 100% of the content of the MMO's they play? Most people fall into niche's of an MMO. There's the PvP'rs and the Dungeon crawlers and people like yourself who play the market and/or craft. All I'm saying is that I will never play the market in this game. I am an ESO + sub. I open my wallet. I've spent hours in the game. I want access to the nicer homes without having to open my wallet again and without having to play the market. That's all I'm saying. If that makes me an entitled player of this game I don't understand that train of thought at all.3 -
Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭carlystclair_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »carlystclair_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
I've put 700 hours into this game. I don't and will never have that kind of gold.
Someone might put 700 hours into vet dungeons, but it will not make them emperor. You removed the context of which activity I was referring to with regards to putting in time. There's a player who sits in Rawl zone chat for hours every day. He's also putting time in. Please pay attention to context. If you put 700 hours into playing the market and you don't have 5 million or more in wealth, then you must be giving stuff away for free.
Caps so people understand:
PLAYING THE MARKET IS PART OF THE GAME. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE, THATS NO ONES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN.
And besides the point above, there are plenty of houses for players who choose not to play the market. This entitlement to the best housing is purely ego, which unlike the PvP player who might feel entitled to a monster helm just for playing PvP, you can't raise any point about these houses giving any kind of advantage at all. They are cosmetic and people need to get over it. Some of us played the market game and deserve to have nice rewards for it. Others are just jealous that they didn't, and want to spoil it for everyone.
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[Edited to remove baiting comment.]
No, I don't feel entitled to anything. I do agree there should be a reward for your effort. However, I believe there should also be a reward for mine. Just because our time is spent differently, it's still time. Your time is valuable and so is mine. How many people enjoy and participate in 100% of the content of the MMO's they play? Most people fall into niche's of an MMO. There's the PvP'rs and the Dungeon crawlers and people like yourself who play the market and/or craft. All I'm saying is that I will never play the market in this game. I am an ESO + sub. I open my wallet. I've spent hours in the game. I want access to the nicer homes without having to open my wallet again and without having to play the market. That's all I'm saying. If that makes me an entitled player of this game I don't understand that train of thought at all.
That's why there are smaller houses.0 -
Tonnopesce wrote: »Just to put in my opinion.
I cecked the prices of the homes in pts and i choosed a large one as my favourite.
Now usually i have 5-10k gold as a main pvp player but i need over a million for the home i want, in two days of trading i've earned 270k gold and i believe i Will reach the million gold price tag in 10 days.
I agree that the home price is right and i also agree that il you want something you have to earn il, 10 days of the merchant game is not going to kill anyone ...
Really? So please explain how you played the trading game? Being the internet and all, I am somewhat skeptical.0 -
Bryanonymous wrote: »carlystclair_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »carlystclair_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
I've put 700 hours into this game. I don't and will never have that kind of gold.
Someone might put 700 hours into vet dungeons, but it will not make them emperor. You removed the context of which activity I was referring to with regards to putting in time. There's a player who sits in Rawl zone chat for hours every day. He's also putting time in. Please pay attention to context. If you put 700 hours into playing the market and you don't have 5 million or more in wealth, then you must be giving stuff away for free.
Caps so people understand:
PLAYING THE MARKET IS PART OF THE GAME. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE, THATS NO ONES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN.
And besides the point above, there are plenty of houses for players who choose not to play the market. This entitlement to the best housing is purely ego, which unlike the PvP player who might feel entitled to a monster helm just for playing PvP, you can't raise any point about these houses giving any kind of advantage at all. They are cosmetic and people need to get over it. Some of us played the market game and deserve to have nice rewards for it. Others are just jealous that they didn't, and want to spoil it for everyone.
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[Edited to remove baiting comment.]
No, I don't feel entitled to anything. I do agree there should be a reward for your effort. However, I believe there should also be a reward for mine. Just because our time is spent differently, it's still time. Your time is valuable and so is mine. How many people enjoy and participate in 100% of the content of the MMO's they play? Most people fall into niche's of an MMO. There's the PvP'rs and the Dungeon crawlers and people like yourself who play the market and/or craft. All I'm saying is that I will never play the market in this game. I am an ESO + sub. I open my wallet. I've spent hours in the game. I want access to the nicer homes without having to open my wallet again and without having to play the market. That's all I'm saying. If that makes me an entitled player of this game I don't understand that train of thought at all.
That's why there are smaller houses.
What is why there are smaller houses? For people who don't trade? Only traders get medium, large homes and manors? Otherwise pull out your pocket book again. You're okay with this? Incredible.3 -
Nuntjako✭✭✭carlystclair_ESO wrote: »
What is why there are smaller houses? For people who don't trade? Only traders get medium, large homes and manors? Otherwise pull out your pocket book again. You're okay with this? Incredible.
I don't understand what you want? Do you want the game to give you a large house when Homestead launches? Or did you expect to be able to buy a large house from gold accumulated from only quest rewards?Edited by Nuntjako on January 10, 2017 6:37PM0 -
EnviousStruggle✭✭✭i agreed if you wont/cant (learn) how to trade in ESO, you cant afford big houses
enjoy, for poor players - poor rewards
all fair like in real lifeEdited by EnviousStruggle on January 10, 2017 6:55PM2 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesce wrote: »Just to put in my opinion.
I cecked the prices of the homes in pts and i choosed a large one as my favourite.
Now usually i have 5-10k gold as a main pvp player but i need over a million for the home i want, in two days of trading i've earned 270k gold and i believe i Will reach the million gold price tag in 10 days.
I agree that the home price is right and i also agree that il you want something you have to earn il, 10 days of the merchant game is not going to kill anyone ...
Really? So please explain how you played the trading game? Being the internet and all, I am somewhat skeptical.
I've put one toon in bankorai one in malabaltor farming bosses and i've converted a couple of hundred ap into motif/desert rose...
Pretty easy if you ask me.
I play maybe 2 hours a day when i'm not too tired from the workday and with a 10 minutes respawn farming bosses is somehow relaxing.
Edited by Tonnopesce on January 10, 2017 8:09PMSignature0 -
peniku8✭✭✭The best houses obviously need to cost a bit, but 3 mil gold? I have 60k on a good day, how the hell are normal people that don't play 100+ hours a week supposed to come up with that kind of gold?
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