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Official Discussion Thread for Weapon Ultimates

  • STEVIL
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    @AegisWolf

    What if the morph not centered on you centered on an enemy and moved with them for duration unless purged or they die at which point it becomes stationary. Call it Elemental Curse. Drop on bosses, see their escorts die and their own hp decline.

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  • Pandorii
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    24 pages later, it's be decided that the ultimates will likely go live in their present form.
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Which ultimates are you planning on using/abusing/pretending didn't exist?
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  • AegisWolf
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    STEVIL wrote: »
    @AegisWolf

    What if the morph not centered on you centered on an enemy and moved with them for duration unless purged or they die at which point it becomes stationary. Call it Elemental Curse. Drop on bosses, see their escorts die and their own hp decline.

    Sure, I just like the idea of manually steering a tornado. :)
    Pandorii wrote: »
    24 pages later, it's be decided that the ultimates will likely go live in their present form.
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Which ultimates are you planning on using/abusing/pretending didn't exist?

    As a werewolf, I want everybody else to pretend the poison arrow ultimate doesn't exist. :*
    Edited by AegisWolf on September 27, 2016 6:20AM
  • Darlon
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    RIP Destro ultimate.

    I will level it, will morph it, will level the morph (all just to have it done) and then slot another ultimate again
  • sparafucilsarwb17_ESO
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    The devs are extremely biased. Stam abilities are op and magicka just left in the dust. This is exactly why we need someone else in charge of magicka abilities. I honestly don't see the point in pts anymore.

  • Mayrael
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    Eye of the storum should have 50% and 30% execute range and thats all. I dont care tbh, I rolled stamina and will abuse 2h and bow ults:))
    I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.

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  • Rykmaar
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    Darlon wrote: »
    RIP Destro ultimate.

    I will level it, will morph it, will level the morph (all just to have it done) and then slot another ultimate again

    They might read in their statistics likepeople are using it lol, which reinforces the uselessness of it.
  • Rykmaar
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    Mayrael wrote: »
    Eye of the storum should have 50% and 30% execute range and thats all. I dont care tbh, I rolled stamina and will abuse 2h and bow ults:))

    Yeah, I changed my Dunmer DK to stam. No option now. ZoS didn't give me a choice -- and that's the biggest problem for me.

  • Juhasow
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    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.
  • Derra
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    I hope he gets a promotion sometime in the near future.
    Darlon wrote: »
    RIP Destro ultimate.

    I will level it, will morph it, will level the morph (all just to have it done) and then slot another ultimate again

    You should just never spec it to prove the point of it being entirely freaking useless.
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  • Dracane
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.

    Uhm, they didn't :) that's the answer.
    It's not worth with the cost and not competitive at all.
    Auri-El is my lord,
    Trinimac is my shield,
    Magnus is my mind.
  • Juhasow
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    Dracane wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.

    Uhm, they didn't :) that's the answer.
    It's not worth with the cost and not competitive at all.

    Oh ok so they propably nerfed stamina weapon ultimates a lot because most of the people was saying there are too OP and they cant just ignore voice of so many people as a company who cares about their players.
  • Tyrion87
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Dracane wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.

    Uhm, they didn't :) that's the answer.
    It's not worth with the cost and not competitive at all.

    Oh ok so they propably nerfed stamina weapon ultimates a lot because most of the people was saying there are too OP and they cant just ignore voice of so many people as a company who cares about their players.

    You're joking right? Or you're just ironic? :smiley:
  • Dracane
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Dracane wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.

    Uhm, they didn't :) that's the answer.
    It's not worth with the cost and not competitive at all.

    Oh ok so they propably nerfed stamina weapon ultimates a lot because most of the people was saying there are too OP and they cant just ignore voice of so many people as a company who cares about their players.

    Stamina was not nerfed at all.
    I'm also not sure, if they really care about us. Never seemed to me that they would care.
    Auri-El is my lord,
    Trinimac is my shield,
    Magnus is my mind.
  • Juhasow
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    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Dracane wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.

    Uhm, they didn't :) that's the answer.
    It's not worth with the cost and not competitive at all.

    Oh ok so they propably nerfed stamina weapon ultimates a lot because most of the people was saying there are too OP and they cant just ignore voice of so many people as a company who cares about their players.

    You're joking right? Or you're just ironic? :smiley:

    Guilty as charged :wink:
    Edited by Juhasow on September 27, 2016 1:10PM
  • Juhasow
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    Dracane wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Dracane wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    OK i was not following this thread like 10 days. I dont want to read all new pages that was created in the meantime. Can someone tell me how they improved destro staff ulti to be more competitive and worth it cost? Please tell me this tell , I cant wait to hear that fantastic improvments they for sure needed to add due to large population of people beeing reasonable dissapointed of that ulti.

    Uhm, they didn't :) that's the answer.
    It's not worth with the cost and not competitive at all.

    Oh ok so they propably nerfed stamina weapon ultimates a lot because most of the people was saying there are too OP and they cant just ignore voice of so many people as a company who cares about their players.

    Stamina was not nerfed at all.
    I'm also not sure, if they really care about us. Never seemed to me that they would care.

    OUTRAGEOUS !!!
  • Derra
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    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:
    Every comment is from a pvp pov unless stated otherwise.

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  • Silver_Strider
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    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    Nova and DK Standard both are similar in radius but also provide much more utility for the same cost and do comparable damage.

    The only way people would even consider using the Destro Ultimate is if it have the radius of Caltrops and was unaffected by AoE Caps.
    Argonian forever
  • timidobserver
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    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    In PvE you don't need a super large radius for most endgame content that I can think of. Might be useful if you are trying to burn the warrior and aoe the adds? In PvP AoE caps will make the super large radius a waste.
    Edited by timidobserver on September 27, 2016 2:48PM
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  • Rykmaar
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    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    Nova and DK Standard both are similar in radius but also provide much more utility for the same cost and do comparable damage.

    The only way people would even consider using the Destro Ultimate is if it have the radius of Caltrops and was unaffected by AoE Caps.

    It does have a caltrops-like radius, but yes the cap neuters it. Defeats the purpose.

    Also, let's not forget, this is an ultimate ability that costs 250 ult. Far, far too expensive for what it does.

    Would my DK ever slot this over meteor? Never.

    Would my sorc slot this over negate or overload or meteor? Never.


    Then we look at stamina, and I can see uses for every single one of those abilities. Every one. And they're all strong af too.
  • Derra
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    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    Nova and DK Standard both are similar in radius but also provide much more utility for the same cost and do comparable damage.

    The only way people would even consider using the Destro Ultimate is if it have the radius of Caltrops and was unaffected by AoE Caps.
    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    In PvE you don't need a super large radius for most endgame content that I can think of. Might be useful if you are trying to burn the warrior and aoe the adds? In PvP AoE caps will make the super large radius a waste.

    I guess we need sarcasm tags for the forums @ZOS_JessicaFolsom pretty please? :wink:
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  • Tyrion87
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    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    This thread should end on this post...
  • timidobserver
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    Derra wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    Nova and DK Standard both are similar in radius but also provide much more utility for the same cost and do comparable damage.

    The only way people would even consider using the Destro Ultimate is if it have the radius of Caltrops and was unaffected by AoE Caps.
    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    In PvE you don't need a super large radius for most endgame content that I can think of. Might be useful if you are trying to burn the warrior and aoe the adds? In PvP AoE caps will make the super large radius a waste.

    I guess we need sarcasm tags for the forums @ZOS_JessicaFolsom pretty please? :wink:

    The devs actually read this and what you said is the exact justification they gave in the AMA, so on the off chance that the devs see this, it was worth giving the reasons that a big radius doesn't mean much.
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  • shrb
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    simply adding
    "Every tick has a 100% effect to apply the appropriate elemental effect"
    to the base spell (and accordingly to the morphs) would go a long way to fixing the spell and maybe justify its cost.

    i just don't get why they are being so stubborn about it.

    250 cost AND no utility AND lower damage compared to meteor AND 2 sec build time is trash.
    To fix all the above with damage or radius alone would need HUGE values that obviously we can't have (could break pve dps)
  • STEVIL
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    Pandorii wrote: »
    24 pages later, it's be decided that the ultimates will likely go live in their present form.
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Which ultimates are you planning on using/abusing/pretending didn't exist?

    i plan to slot and use each ult just to get it levelled and morphed.

    destro ult for my destroi staff folks, I see the two morphs as one general offense morph (eye of storm) and one "area denial morph" so while the latter may have uses in bottleneck situations, i will most likely choose the mobile option.

    But whether it gets slotted more than meteor (more bursty but less overall potential) or batswarms (heal or invis) or negate or harvest or nova etc etc etc will depend on the character, the needs and so on. having a 10k tic large area 7sec effect can be useful.

    2h ignore armor/steal-bonus ult - i have a couple @h chars so maybe... but unless i am up against a heavy opponent, other options may prevail.

    Bow: maybe. i have some characters who use bow but none who regularly rely on bow for main offense. bow is the DOT start off setup etc but main bar is something else. not so sure about back-bar ult esp if the front bar is where all the "when slotted" abilities and passive triggers are.

    Resto: usually have other options so... i rarely use ult for healing. Doubt this will see that much use by me but i dont play healers in group enough to make it not overkill to use an ULT for that.

    DW: honestly, i dont even recall what this was so... will level and morph and then decide.

    SnB: Closer to DW but it got so much outrage i have a better idea what it is. Not sure it will be used by me all that much... i tend to prefer ults for damage so it wasn't one i initially was focused on.

    So really, odd but true, based on my playstyle, the destro ones are the most likely to actually stay on my bars or get frequent add-on to my bar than the others.
    Edited by STEVIL on September 27, 2016 5:48PM
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  • Minalan
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    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    Anyone who can count to six and understand what an AOE cap is too smart to use this ultimate in PVP.

    Even as area denial it's a weak ability. You'd do better with negate, nobody wants to sit in that...
  • _Chaos
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    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    'Chaos
  • STEVIL
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    So can we assume weapon ultimate's have been finalized since no changes were made in this patch?

    For the most part, yes. It's unlikely we'll be making any additional changes to the Weapon Ultimates, barring any outstanding bugs.

    Please lock the thread since you are done ignoring our feedback.

    It has a super large aoe radius. People are just too stupid to realize the potential. :disappointed:

    Anyone who can count to six and understand what an AOE cap is too smart to use this ultimate in PVP.

    Even as area denial it's a weak ability. You'd do better with negate, nobody wants to sit in that...

    is that accurate for stamina bruisers spamming physical powers/abilities?
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