Sapeterson16ub17_ESO wrote: »It seems like a lot of people are angry about the drop chance of the cool stuff in crown crates. Why not also have some daily quests that reward crown crates? It makes it so people who are angry about earning items only from buying the crates can play the game to also earn them but if they cannot earn wait to get that really cool mount they will still buy them. it makes it so the amount of gems you now get on pts feels more reasonable and people cant complain about having exclusive items in the crown crates.
I don't see any change that they would be willing to make to make them worthwhile. Why can't they take the high road and say they aren't going to stoop to the levels other MMO's have gone and appreciate their communities support. reassure us they aren't trying to rip us off and stick to transparent purchases.StopDropAndBear wrote: »Glad to see changes are incoming. After 16,500 (~120 USD) crowns worth of crates used: 0 Atronach mounts, 120 gems (not even half the amount required to buy one). Yeah.
shootyoureyeout wrote: »What if X number of crates were given as part of the subscription each month? I'm not marketing guru, but I know if I didn't already subscribe, it might encourage me to do so. And I know it will definitely make some of the superloyal players happier about all of this.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:
We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.
- We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
- We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
- We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
After reading some of the Reddit AMA, I wanted to reiterate that only the themed "Apex rewards" should be completely exclusive to the boxes. Everything else, such as the Pit Wolf mount and pet, should appear in the Crown Store for direct purchase at some point.
JR_Returns wrote: »Personally I feel that the Crown Crates are a reasonable addition to the game. After all if you don't like them then don't buy them.
Just from looking at other players when they are accessing their inventories it is clear that there are lot of non ESO plus players out there and this is a way they can contribute to the game. As an ESO plus player I'll never need to pay for the crates as I normally don't use the crowns I get with my subscription, at the moment I have 20K unused.
It must take a lot of money to maintain the game and produce new exciting content every 3 months and the money has to come from somewhere, after all "there is no such thing as a free lunch".
We're not looking for them to be free. Two items on the pts for dark brotherhood I was looking forward to buying. I would have paid well. They both ended up in crown crates and I won't spend an undefinable price. It's just a stupid thing to do. I have subscribed nearly every month for over 2 years. I also frequently buy crowns for cosmetics. I want to support the game but at the same time I don't want to be ripped off. The items I want from now on are likely to be in crates so it kinda sucks the fun out of the game as I won't touch random crates.JR_Returns wrote: »Personally I feel that the Crown Crates are a reasonable addition to the game. After all if you don't like them then don't buy them.
Just from looking at other players when they are accessing their inventories it is clear that there are lot of non ESO plus players out there and this is a way they can contribute to the game. As an ESO plus player I'll never need to pay for the crates as I normally don't use the crowns I get with my subscription, at the moment I have 20K unused.
It must take a lot of money to maintain the game and produce new exciting content every 3 months and the money has to come from somewhere, after all "there is no such thing as a free lunch".
Not a single person here is trying to get anything for free. Why do people keep making up stuff like this to argue against in favor of the gambling crates?"JR_Returns wrote:It must take a lot of money to maintain the game and produce new exciting content every 3 months and the money has to come from somewhere, after all "there is no such thing as a free lunch".
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:
We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.
- We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
- We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
- We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
After reading some of the Reddit AMA, I wanted to reiterate that only the themed "Apex rewards" should be completely exclusive to the boxes. Everything else, such as the Pit Wolf mount and pet, should appear in the Crown Store for direct purchase at some point.
arkansas_ESO wrote: »After reading some of the Reddit AMA, I wanted to reiterate that only the themed "Apex rewards" should be completely exclusive to the boxes. Everything else, such as the Pit Wolf mount and pet, should appear in the Crown Store for direct purchase at some point.
What qualifies as themed, though? Obviously the atronach mounts and trophies are themed, but what about the wizard hats? The mananaut cap? Can @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom chime in a list of what exactly is going to be crate exclusive and what won't?
So I guess it's my fault making a thread praising their work and saying I wanted it?As far as "exclusive" I honestly don't think they have it all planned yet so can't give a list(some of it yes). Part of it is scouring the net to see what people are hoping/drooling for the most, THEN making it exclusive. Could be why they seem hesitant to answer /ratio questions.I'd say they have a good start on the datamined threads going back.
So I guess it's my fault making a thread praising their work and saying I wanted it?As far as "exclusive" I honestly don't think they have it all planned yet so can't give a list(some of it yes). Part of it is scouring the net to see what people are hoping/drooling for the most, THEN making it exclusive. Could be why they seem hesitant to answer /ratio questions.I'd say they have a good start on the datamined threads going back.
Well crap
It was a joke about being my fault based on what you said. I found it ironic that I made a thread about how much I liked rooster frills and enveloping scales and they both appear to be in crown crates. They were my favorite offerings on pts for style parlor.So I guess it's my fault making a thread praising their work and saying I wanted it?As far as "exclusive" I honestly don't think they have it all planned yet so can't give a list(some of it yes). Part of it is scouring the net to see what people are hoping/drooling for the most, THEN making it exclusive. Could be why they seem hesitant to answer /ratio questions.I'd say they have a good start on the datamined threads going back.
Well crap
? Yep. It's all about you and only you. OR, you were just one of hundreds(thousands? Myself included) who said "wow cool! " and got collected as marketing research.
It was a joke about being my fault based on what you said. I found it ironic that I made a thread about how much I liked rooster frills and enveloping scales and they both appear to be in crown crates. They were my favorite offerings on pts for style parlor.So I guess it's my fault making a thread praising their work and saying I wanted it?As far as "exclusive" I honestly don't think they have it all planned yet so can't give a list(some of it yes). Part of it is scouring the net to see what people are hoping/drooling for the most, THEN making it exclusive. Could be why they seem hesitant to answer /ratio questions.I'd say they have a good start on the datamined threads going back.
Well crap
? Yep. It's all about you and only you. OR, you were just one of hundreds(thousands? Myself included) who said "wow cool! " and got collected as marketing research.
silvereyes wrote: »2. Make the crates an in-game minigame gold sink
Make the crates purchasable for 2500 gold each. Get rid of crown gems entirely.
- Replace consumables/utility drops with with raw mats, common style stones (e.g. azure plasm) or blue improvement mats.
- Replace common collectibles drops with blue non-trials, non-monster, non-arena sets, less common style stones (e.g. malachite, goldscale, dwarven frame) and maybe purple improvement mats.
- Replace legendary collectibles drops with rare style stones (e.g. alliance styles, defiled whiskers, tainted blood, etc.), nirncrux, perfect roe, motif pages, rare recipe pages, purple sets including jewelry, and maybe gold improvement mats.
- Replace apex rewards with overworld gold gear or very rarely, gold overworld jewelry or an in-game skin.
phreatophile wrote: »shootyoureyeout wrote: »What if X number of crates were given as part of the subscription each month? I'm not marketing guru, but I know if I didn't already subscribe, it might encourage me to do so. And I know it will definitely make some of the superloyal players happier about all of this.
You known, this would be a great cover for folks who don't want that electro-pebble mount to act like a big "^Kick me^" sign wherever they ride it. No, I didn't spend $300US for this flashy mount, I won it with subscription crates!
I opened 26 crates, I got some costumes I really liike, storm transformation which I think is cool, the other storm memento, some more costumes and pets that weren't so special to me, and ofcource potions, food, gems and kits. So some I liked, some semiuseful, some will stay in collection.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
- Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?
MarrazzMist wrote: »I opened 26 crates, I got some costumes I really liike, storm transformation which I think is cool, the other storm memento, some more costumes and pets that weren't so special to me, and ofcource potions, food, gems and kits. So some I liked, some semiuseful, some will stay in collection.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
- Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?
General feedback:
Unlike most I do nyt hate the crates. On live I might buy 1-2 crates and hope to get some item I like. If not, bad luck. I certainly won't fight for specific mount with these. (Though in general, I don't even like storm mounts..) Parcooti animation is cool.
Potions do fill your inventory quick. I hope there would be more something like weak experience scrolls, for example. Useful, special, but not as good as crafted.
I think it's important that there isn't to much exclusives. For example there's no reason fox or lion mounts, most costumes or senche cubs to be crate exclusive. With storm themed stuff, maybe, but others I really expect to hit store eventually.
shootyoureyeout wrote: »phreatophile wrote: »shootyoureyeout wrote: »What if X number of crates were given as part of the subscription each month? I'm not marketing guru, but I know if I didn't already subscribe, it might encourage me to do so. And I know it will definitely make some of the superloyal players happier about all of this.
You known, this would be a great cover for folks who don't want that electro-pebble mount to act like a big "^Kick me^" sign wherever they ride it. No, I didn't spend $300US for this flashy mount, I won it with subscription crates!
I'm telling you...throwing subscribers a few crates could solve SO many issues so many people have with these things without having to change the already-established cash shop RNG crate model. Make it happen, ZOS pretty please!