Oh, and the word is "melodramatic", not two words, from the Greek for "musical drama".
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
To me this was the most egregious anti-feature of them all– the fact that anybody thought that forcing stuff a player didn't want in the first place as a prize still boggles my mind (or worse, makes me think that these anti-features were put in there intentionally to be withdrawn after the initial feedback as PR dampener).
JR_Returns wrote: »Today I opened my 78th crate without an Apex reward. I know that ZOS have said that they are going to improve the drop rate, but by how much? The initial drop rates are so seriously wrong, that I have to wonder if they even tried the things before putting them on PTS.
I've seen a lot of anti comments about the crates on this forum, which I suspect are a waist of effort. Clearly money and effort has been put into developing this item and it's also something we have been shown on PTS. That means like it or not they're coming. There are 7 million odd players and you can be sure that any of them that don't comment will be counted as accepting the idea.
The best we can hope for now is to try change their final form by posting positive ideas.
To those of you that don't like the idea, I can see where you're coming from and I do have some sympathy. However guys I do think that you are p***ing into the wind.
JR_Returns wrote: »To those of you that don't like the idea, I can see where you're coming from and I do have some sympathy. However guys I do think that you are p***ing into the wind.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
To me this was the most egregious anti-feature of them all– the fact that anybody thought that forcing stuff a player didn't want in the first place as a prize still boggles my mind (or worse, makes me think that these anti-features were put in there intentionally to be withdrawn after the initial feedback as PR dampener).
lordrichter wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
To me this was the most egregious anti-feature of them all– the fact that anybody thought that forcing stuff a player didn't want in the first place as a prize still boggles my mind (or worse, makes me think that these anti-features were put in there intentionally to be withdrawn after the initial feedback as PR dampener).
I am fairly certain that the trade-in value will be a joke. After all, they want you to buy, and buy often, so of you think you are going to buy a couple crates and then pick up that Apex mount you want... well, that's the joke.
JR_Returns wrote: »Today I opened my 78th crate without an Apex reward. I know that ZOS have said that they are going to improve the drop rate, but by how much? The initial drop rates are so seriously wrong, that I have to wonder if they even tried the things before putting them on PTS.
I've seen a lot of anti comments about the crates on this forum, which I suspect are a waist of effort. Clearly money and effort has been put into developing this item and it's also something we have been shown on PTS. That means like it or not they're coming. There are 7 million odd players and you can be sure that any of them that don't comment will be counted as accepting the idea.
The best we can hope for now is to try change their final form by posting positive ideas.
To those of you that don't like the idea, I can see where you're coming from and I do have some sympathy. However guys I do think that you are p***ing into the wind.
"Today I opened my 78th crate without an Apex reward. I know that ZOS have said that they are going to improve the drop rate, but by how much? The initial drop rates are so seriously wrong, that I have to wonder if they even tried the things before putting them on PTS"
Perhaps it was just a coding glitch
and they mixed up the drop chance per item for 1 card with 1 crate.....
In which case the drop chance would have to be 4 times as high
JR_Returns wrote: »To those of you that don't like the idea, I can see where you're coming from and I do have some sympathy. However guys I do think that you are p***ing into the wind.
We are aware that our chances of success are minimal, but that's no reason to just resign and accept the crates. And I suspect many of us will be voting with their wallets as well as speak up against the scamboxes.
But who exactly is the target market? To want to spend this much for cosmetics requires that the person be invested in the game. I mean, if it's a game that I barely play, why in bloody blazes would I care about getting some sparkly mount? They can attract all the new players that they want, but some casual who's new to MMOs and/or new to TES will almost certainly not care about these items.
For the most part, the people who want these special items are also the long-term loyal customers who have a lot of attachment to the game. Yet that is also the segment of the player base that is most offended by this.
It's one thing to be greedy and rationally maximize profit. But it's quite another to be greedy and stupid and do stuff that will ultimately hurt the bottom line.
lordrichter wrote: »But who exactly is the target market? To want to spend this much for cosmetics requires that the person be invested in the game. I mean, if it's a game that I barely play, why in bloody blazes would I care about getting some sparkly mount? They can attract all the new players that they want, but some casual who's new to MMOs and/or new to TES will almost certainly not care about these items.
For the most part, the people who want these special items are also the long-term loyal customers who have a lot of attachment to the game. Yet that is also the segment of the player base that is most offended by this.
It's one thing to be greedy and rationally maximize profit. But it's quite another to be greedy and stupid and do stuff that will ultimately hurt the bottom line.
In my opinion, what they want is a new generation of "fans" of the game, if the current generation is not willing to buy Crown Crates. They know that the MMO crowd can be fickle, and people will come and go. As long as people continue to come, it is not the end of the world if the people who don't want Crown Crates leave. It would be better if we just got in line, wallets out, but the Studio can't have everything.
The new players that come into the game will be less invested in an anti-Crown Crate stand. They will be more open to them. They wil buy them. They are the target market, not the entrenched player who is not interested in them.
The entrenched players are welcome to stay, but the game will be increasingly not for them.
This is no different from the stance when B2P rolled out. The entrenched anti-B2P players either dropped their opposition and joined the store, learned to ignore the store, or left. A new generation of players willing to accept the Crown Store are here now, and the game is more tailored to them than the P2P subscription crowd.
If anything, history tells ZOS they have nothing to fear from opposition.
But who exactly is the target market? To want to spend this much for cosmetics requires that the person be invested in the game. I mean, if it's a game that I barely play, why in bloody blazes would I care about getting some sparkly mount? They can attract all the new players that they want, but some casual who's new to MMOs and/or new to TES will almost certainly not care about these items.
For the most part, the people who want these special items are also the long-term loyal customers who have a lot of attachment to the game. Yet that is also the segment of the player base that is most offended by this.
It's one thing to be greedy and rationally maximize profit. But it's quite another to be greedy and stupid and do stuff that will ultimately hurt the bottom line.
lordrichter wrote: »But who exactly is the target market? To want to spend this much for cosmetics requires that the person be invested in the game. I mean, if it's a game that I barely play, why in bloody blazes would I care about getting some sparkly mount? They can attract all the new players that they want, but some casual who's new to MMOs and/or new to TES will almost certainly not care about these items.
For the most part, the people who want these special items are also the long-term loyal customers who have a lot of attachment to the game. Yet that is also the segment of the player base that is most offended by this.
It's one thing to be greedy and rationally maximize profit. But it's quite another to be greedy and stupid and do stuff that will ultimately hurt the bottom line.
In my opinion, what they want is a new generation of "fans" of the game, if the current generation is not willing to buy Crown Crates. They know that the MMO crowd can be fickle, and people will come and go. As long as people continue to come, it is not the end of the world if the people who don't want Crown Crates leave. It would be better if we just got in line, wallets out, but the Studio can't have everything.
The new players that come into the game will be less invested in an anti-Crown Crate stand. They will be more open to them. They wil buy them. They are the target market, not the entrenched player who is not interested in them.
The entrenched players are welcome to stay, but the game will be increasingly not for them.
This is no different from the stance when B2P rolled out. The entrenched anti-B2P players either dropped their opposition and joined the store, learned to ignore the store, or left. A new generation of players willing to accept the Crown Store are here now, and the game is more tailored to them than the P2P subscription crowd.
If anything, history tells ZOS they have nothing to fear from opposition.
I have a hard time imagining that newcomers to the game with little or no attachment would be willing to shell out for such vanities.
lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »But who exactly is the target market? To want to spend this much for cosmetics requires that the person be invested in the game. I mean, if it's a game that I barely play, why in bloody blazes would I care about getting some sparkly mount? They can attract all the new players that they want, but some casual who's new to MMOs and/or new to TES will almost certainly not care about these items.
For the most part, the people who want these special items are also the long-term loyal customers who have a lot of attachment to the game. Yet that is also the segment of the player base that is most offended by this.
It's one thing to be greedy and rationally maximize profit. But it's quite another to be greedy and stupid and do stuff that will ultimately hurt the bottom line.
In my opinion, what they want is a new generation of "fans" of the game, if the current generation is not willing to buy Crown Crates. They know that the MMO crowd can be fickle, and people will come and go. As long as people continue to come, it is not the end of the world if the people who don't want Crown Crates leave. It would be better if we just got in line, wallets out, but the Studio can't have everything.
The new players that come into the game will be less invested in an anti-Crown Crate stand. They will be more open to them. They wil buy them. They are the target market, not the entrenched player who is not interested in them.
The entrenched players are welcome to stay, but the game will be increasingly not for them.
This is no different from the stance when B2P rolled out. The entrenched anti-B2P players either dropped their opposition and joined the store, learned to ignore the store, or left. A new generation of players willing to accept the Crown Store are here now, and the game is more tailored to them than the P2P subscription crowd.
If anything, history tells ZOS they have nothing to fear from opposition.
I have a hard time imagining that newcomers to the game with little or no attachment would be willing to shell out for such vanities.
Newcomers with an attachment to the game, will.
[–]joshfongDark Elf 5 points 1 day ago
Great job on the game and the update so far. Keep up the good work!
My question is about the Crown Crates... I know you guys gave an update earlier today about them and it's very appreciated. However, there's sure to be a lot more feedback before they go live.
Will you be continuing to tweak the crates based on user feedback, and will the newly announced changes (and potentially other changes) land on the PTS before One Tamriel drops?
Thank you.
[–]ZOS_MattF 6 points 1 day ago
We may make more changes than we announced today - there are still some other things we are looking at and assessing feedback. I don't know if we'll have those changes on PTS or not - but they will be in before they go live and we'll be sure to announce what is changing before we do so.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:
We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.
- We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
- We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
- We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »
So please ZOS, reconsider. Let us continue to buy the collectibles outright for a set price. It's absurd that we're having to come here to beg you to take our money in an honest way, but that is the position you've put us in.
Yes, please. I want to support you, let me do so in a fair manner.MornaBaine wrote: »Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »
So please ZOS, reconsider. Let us continue to buy the collectibles outright for a set price. It's absurd that we're having to come here to beg you to take our money in an honest way, but that is the position you've put us in.
So much ALL of this.
MornaBaine wrote: »Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »
So please ZOS, reconsider. Let us continue to buy the collectibles outright for a set price. It's absurd that we're having to come here to beg you to take our money in an honest way, but that is the position you've put us in.
So much ALL of this.
Yes, please. I want to support you, let me do so in a fair manner.MornaBaine wrote: »Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »
So please ZOS, reconsider. Let us continue to buy the collectibles outright for a set price. It's absurd that we're having to come here to beg you to take our money in an honest way, but that is the position you've put us in.
So much ALL of this.
lordrichter wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »
So please ZOS, reconsider. Let us continue to buy the collectibles outright for a set price. It's absurd that we're having to come here to beg you to take our money in an honest way, but that is the position you've put us in.
So much ALL of this.
I say let them do it. They already push out pretty average stuff for high prices, and locking a bunch of average stuff behind Crown Crates reduces my need for Crowns.
My thought is that I am going to have some disposable income freeing up that I can spend elsewhere.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
I think I found a way I'd be perfectly content with the crown crates.
Offer everything in the store for outright sale. Even if you want to have the limited time items, that's fine. Mounts can be 2500 crowns or more, even.
Offer the Crown Crates for 400 crowns. Have the reward/special items in the crates, including mounts.
Now the people who want to gamble can take a chance that 400 crowns will get them a 2500 crown mount with other things they might find useful. Or a temporarily exclusive for a few months to the crates mount or item before it goes up on the store for full price. You will have people who will spend the 400 for a chance at a deal, while the ones who just want the one item can purchase it without the extra stuff they don't want or need.
I want to stay subbed. I actually want to give the game as it is money. I won't stay subbed if the rngesus crates come out, with no chance to get the old or exclusive items other ways. You gave me the option of buying more character slots outright in the crown store, and I did spend the crowns. It will make it easier to juggle my inventory when I lose the crafting bag when my sub ends.
In the past they would just sell us re skin of mounts like the bear mounts. Wolf is in the box.
MarkusLiberty wrote: »In the past they would just sell us re skin of mounts like the bear mounts. Wolf is in the box.
Carefully so you don't spread too much misinformation. There are no evidence that indicates that the wolves will be crate exclusives.
Remember that the crates wont be launched untill late this year, which would mean we're likely going to see two more limited time mounts before the crates are out.
If I were to guess, I would say that the Red wolf and the lion will be made available for purchase the next couple of months, and then re-added as part of the Atronach crates.