VerboseQuips wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

To get a little philosophical, I find it interesting that people (not me) are willing to sink a ton of *time* into collecting RNG cosmetics in-game (e.g. soul shriven skin), but aren't willing to sink a ton of real-world *money* into attaining a potentially much larger collection of RNG cosmetics. I would argue that time is a more limited resource for most folks, and therefore *should* be more valuable.

Is it's because we don't like our jobs, so the time we spend earning money there seems more valuable than time playing a game we like? Or maybe it's that real-world money always seems like a higher short-term priority? Or is it because of a deep-seated fear of death that we avoid thinking about the limited nature of time?

Pondering....

I agree. I have read a blog post somewhere (maybe from Belgian author Ploum?) where the author recommanded to stop thinking about how much money you spend, and instead think about how many hours/days of your life you had to work to get this money. Basically, this replaces "I spend x€ to get this item or service, is it worth it?" by "I spend x hours/days of my life to get this item or service, is it worth it?"

I think it is probably a very good piece of advice.

I think there's a number of factors involved and which ones apply and how important they are is different for each person.

I love my job, I'm genuinely excited to go to work each day, but I'm still wary of wasting the money they pay me. Not because I hate the thought of earning more but because I get paid a fixed amount each month and it's not enough for me to buy everything I want so everything I do buy is one (or more) other things I cannot buy. And there's a lot of things I'd like to buy which are a higher priority than cosmetic items in a game.

At the moment it's looking like the rarest items in these crates will cost, on average, £100-£200 (and that's based on buying 5,500 crown packs which are the cheapest per crown). I could use that money to go on a short holiday, or go and see a couple of concerts, or go out for meals with my family and friends. All things I'd rather do than gamble for a chance at a slightly different skin for a mount in a game.

I also don't grind in games as a rule. If I'm playing it's because I'm enjoying whatever I'm doing, and gold or other rewards I get are a bi-product of that. It's essentially free and has far fewer uses than real-world money which means I'm much more willing to spend it.

Dromede wrote: »

Apparantly, devs want us to hit 100 pages here as well... You asked for it - and you've been heard Oh wait now...

This is the thing - people keep repeating themselves and others with the same point - community likes neither this idea, nor the implementation of rng chance.

It's sad that so many people are using a "cancel my sub" argument here. But what else can we do? As a customer, i don't think there's any way i'll be happy or content (even at a 'good enough, harmless enough' level) with this system. And this is the only way i, as many others as well, see to protest.

It breaks my heart how beautifully Pacrooti interactions/animations are handled, and how much of a gimmick the barber shop is in comparison. I'm already guessing how many cool housing items are going to be stuck in crates only, and how there's infinite amount of ways to exploit this system from developers' side.

My sub runs out around December. I'm not planning to renew it as of now.

I've been loyal since beta, if housing options are in crates, I'm out. End of.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

To get a little philosophical, I find it interesting that people (not me) are willing to sink a ton of *time* into collecting RNG cosmetics in-game (e.g. soul shriven skin), but aren't willing to sink a ton of real-world *money* into attaining a potentially much larger collection of RNG cosmetics. I would argue that time is a more limited resource for most folks, and therefore *should* be more valuable.

Is it's because we don't like our jobs, so the time we spend earning money there seems more valuable than time playing a game we like? Or maybe it's that real-world money always seems like a higher short-term priority? Or is it because of a deep-seated fear of death that we avoid thinking about the limited nature of time?

Pondering....

I agree. I have read a blog post somewhere (maybe from Belgian author Ploum?) where the author recommanded to stop thinking about how much money you spend, and instead think about how many hours/days of your life you had to work to get this money. Basically, this replaces "I spend x€ to get this item or service, is it worth it?" by "I spend x hours/days of my life to get this item or service, is it worth it?"

I think it is probably a very good piece of advice.

Sorry but that is very questionable advice with respects to a game - you are comparing apples with vicious angry ravens...

The 'free' drops I earn from time spent playing are gained while doing something I enjoy whether that is PvP or PvE content, I get it from *playing*.... There are not competing real life needs for me to spend on currency or items gained in my leisure time.

On the other hand money spent on crown crates would be real money that I obtain while working at a job, which for most is not as pleasurable as playing a game. In addition I have to pay for the roof over my head and food and bills and other leisure activities out of that money each bit of which represents time spent working.

Essentially there is, for most, an inherent positive value to play time whereas for most, sadly, work is not inherently pleasurable.

All I want from the current rewards is the purple nixad. Spent 4 days worth of PTS gamble crates... and I'm still missing that nixad drop. But I got a crapton of unwanted consumables and collectibles.

No storm mounts either, but I do not care for those: when I will see someone in game with them I will not think "ooh shiny, I want one too"; I will think "oh look, a gambler, poor soul...".

Khenarthi wrote: »

All I want from the current rewards is the purple nixad. Spent 4 days worth of PTS gamble crates... and I'm still missing that nixad drop. But I got a crapton of unwanted consumables and collectibles.

No storm mounts either, but I do not care for those: when I will see someone in game with them I will not think "ooh shiny, I want one too"; I will think "oh look, a gambler, poor soul...".

I'll be thinking: 'Oooh shiny - I wonder how much they shelled out for that!' :P

I take these crown gems conversion rates as a massive insult and nothing else. I'm sorry to say this but only stupid and foolish people will be gambling for the items of their dreams with such rates and prices. And I won't feel sorry for them if they lose huge amounts of money to get them (or not eventually). Just don't come here to complain cause you could vote with your wallet but you decided to do otherwise and to contribute to the insulting marketing policy of ZOS.

Before the crown crates were previewed, I was strongly against them but I thought I could buy max 2 packs just to try them out. Especially that there are some past items that I missed. But now, when I know how these crates work with all of those shocking and unreal conversion rates and also drop chances of better items, I will never ever buy a single one. I'm not going to support the policy that insults me as a customer. And I really hope that most people, who are also strongly against this policy and the whole idea of the crates on this forum, will resist a desire of having sophisticated items and won't be gambling for them either.

I'm really sad and a little afraid because it just pulls me away from the game itself... And I don't know what shocks me more: the idea of the crates itself or the devs completely ignoring the overwhelmingly negative feedback.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

This really takes the fun out of it, so I hope there's a fix for this

The fun? Is there any fun in it after all?

AlienSlof wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

All I want from the current rewards is the purple nixad. Spent 4 days worth of PTS gamble crates... and I'm still missing that nixad drop. But I got a crapton of unwanted consumables and collectibles.

No storm mounts either, but I do not care for those: when I will see someone in game with them I will not think "ooh shiny, I want one too"; I will think "oh look, a gambler, poor soul...".

I'll be thinking: 'Oooh shiny - I wonder how much they shelled out for that!' :P

The Mind-Shriven horse is the trickiest. You'll never know if people bought it for a perfectly acceptable price of 2200 crowns, were ripped off during the anniversary event or blew 20k on crown crates.

silvereyes wrote: »

As a silent protest of the upcoming Crown Crates, I am eschewing all Crown Store mounts, pets, and cosmetics. From now on, I choose to ride only the ugliest in-game horse I can find.

I love that horse

My crafter rides it since two weeks after launch or so.

I don't really get why they went through the hassle of creating a system that converts duplicates into Crown Gems, when they could have just put gems into crates to begin with. Instead of Superior / Epic / Legendary / Apex rewards, the crates should just give an amount of Crown Gems appropriate for the tier, so then I can select what I want.

Who am I kidding, of course I get why they did it ...

Acrolas wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

The crown crates are trying to turn the crown store into a collectible card game.

It's a little more sinister than that. They're trying to get people used to a system that will be the primary revenue source of Elder Scrolls Legends. Spending over and over and over again for rare cards that will entwine you even more deeply into that game and its MTX system.

And let's look behind the curtain. Is it any coincidence that Heather Powers was an MMORPG adviser on Star Wars the Old Republic when the cash shop became an issue, and is Bethesda's marketing director right as this happens?

That two of her self-founded Game Psyche consultancy services are consumer research and micro-transaction strategy?

I knew she was trouble when she randomly showed up and neutered everyone on stage at PaxEast. If the team fell so quickly and quietly to her Bethesda-blessed direction, then it's pretty much up to this community to make her Enemy Number One.

It won't be pretty but it'll be less laggy than PVP that's for *** sure.

***. The cartel crates in SWTOR is what made me quit that game. Let's see how long it will be before I quit ESO due to the same ***.

It seems like a lot of people are angry about the drop chance of the cool stuff in crown crates. Why not also have some daily quests that reward crown crates? It makes it so people who are angry about earning items only from buying the crates can play the game to also earn them but if they cannot earn wait to get that really cool mount they will still buy them. it makes it so the amount of gems you now get on pts feels more reasonable and people cant complain about having exclusive items in the crown crates.

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pema wrote: »

Okay guys, been trying these out a couple of days, not sure why they are 400 corwns on pts.
I like the animation and the way the system works, so well done.
THe content of the crates are to me very dissapointing. You usualy get one item that's added to the collections system the rest are mostly potions. I would like to see soulgems/repairkits. things we can use at any stage in the game, especialy endgame.
Other then that I would like to reject a object that has been rewarded, i.e. the nixad pet. When I don't want it I want to be able to reject it and get the gems that would be rewarded if I got it. That way I can be more selective in what I want and can faster pick something up I like.
The amount of gems you get for items is realy low, meaning you have to spend a ton to get stuff. This feels to much of a strech for me to actualy concider getting these crates... if they were cheaper or rewarded bigger it would become more interesting.

I'm not against it but as is now, crowncrates are not interesting to me as a player.

They don't want to make it easy to pick what you actually want.

They want you to buy more crates to keep trying to get what you actually want. That's why you can't simply exchange a mount you got in the crate that you don't want and won't use for a mount in the gem store. Buy more crates so you can get more dups so you can finally get what you actually want.

This is why the crown crates would be an incredibly bad idea for me to buy on live. I have two khajiit characters. I have no argonians. I have one set of purchased costumes. The only other costumes I have are the ones you get from playing. I don't want to think about how many of the crates I'd need to buy before I would start getting duplicates, with all of the items I don't want and won't or can't use being bound to my account.

I'm on day 4. My second account got a mind shriven horse (I already have it on both accts on live), a battlemage outfit I don't want, a storm atro juggle (underwhelming), and enveloping scales (for argonian)...And a bunch of duplicates that still only brought me to 170 gems.

My main account for day 4 got an evening dress (I didn't want it then, I don't now), a dwarf mage hat (don't want), a clever man hat (also don't want), arubic symbols skin (another I have no use for), a bunch of duplicates, and a total of 155 gems (after 4 days, none spent). That's not including all the junk potions and other useless stuff.