Official Discussion Thread for Crown Crates

Elrond87

wayfarerx wrote: »

Elrond87 wrote: »

It is a waste of money, but on the other hand if you got the cash and want to put it back into the economy and get brief enjoyment from it, then why not

Because it takes a game all of us love, a world we've enjoyed for decades and a character we've known for years and turns them into a cheap F2P-like scummy casino?

well ya don't have to buy the crap they sell, more fool to the person that will waste it on the crates, it's a bad idea really towards the weak minded people with gambling problems

wayfarerx

Elrond87 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Elrond87 wrote: »

It is a waste of money, but on the other hand if you got the cash and want to put it back into the economy and get brief enjoyment from it, then why not

Because it takes a game all of us love, a world we've enjoyed for decades and a character we've known for years and turns them into a cheap F2P-like scummy casino?

well ya don't have to buy the crap they sell, more fool to the person that will waste it on the crates, it's a bad idea really towards the weak minded people with gambling problems

You're right, I don't have to buy and I won't be buying into this scam. This is, in fact, the closest I have come to canceling my subscription since PC launch.

I'm here on the forums decrying this because I don't want to cancel my sub and move on, I like it here. However if my favorite restaurant invited crack dealers to sit out front in exchange for a share of the profits I would stop going there. ESO is no different in that regard.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

wayfarerx wrote: »

I'm here on the forums decrying this because I don't want to cancel my sub and move on, I like it here. However if my favorite restaurant invited crack dealers to sit out front in exchange for a share of the profits I would stop going there. ESO is no different in that regard.

^This. I'm still considering a walk-out of sorts when the Crates hit by way of protest. I don't know if it will make any difference but hey...I doubt it will hurt.

JR_Returns

I've tried the crown crates a few times now and I think that they are OK. Some of the rewards are underwhelming,
Experience scrolls - all my characters are CP170
Crown food, Potions etc - I craft my own so they are of no use.
Riding Lessons - Mounts maxed out on all my characters.
Crown Soul Gems - My main character has over 1k of soul gems in his inventory
There should be a mechanism to allow you to swap for something else or opt for crown gems.

Today I got the Storm Atronach Transform, a Legendary reward. It's a memento that lasts for 15 seconds. The only legendary thing about it is how let down you feel. Could do better 1/10.

cjthibs

Well, I wish someone who had a hand in this would come and talk to us...and let us know how they think it is a good thing for the game for people to spend upwards of $400 for a mount that used to cost 5000 crowns. Why we should have to gamble for things we want rather than pay a fair, fixed price? If the content isn't making enough money, how about you make better content, rather than trying to trick us?

Also, explain why it is good for the game when each of the games listed that have had similar mechanisms had a huge decrease in population once these 'micro-transaction strategies' were implemented. Let's have a chat about how many people left SWTOR when they implemented the same type of things, or how many people were angry with ME3's boxes. Let's talk about how many people are left playing WildStar these days.

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silvereyes

I see the new Kagouti mount on the crown store, and it looks really cool. But all I can think of is how done I am with the whole thing.

The real test will come when my sub ends and I have to learn to live without the craft bag again.

Recremen

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Constructive suggestions to take the edge off: (Not entirely all my ideas, credit to feed back from MissBizz, Dominoid and others.)

Put the consumables in a collection tab, out of inventory, and available to all characters account wide. At least then they might see some use on leveling alts or as backup. At the very least removes the negative inventory impact.

Only exclusives should should be the storm theme items. Everything else should appear in the Crown Store first.

While we're at it, put all past collectables in the crates and gem store, from the limited time senches, to the hero costumes, right down to the chef costume. This'll give crates added value as a second chance.

Increase gems for duplicates, allow converting any unwanted item to gems, lower the gem prices, or lower the crown price of crates. If we assume the 400 gem apex items are the same tier as the limited addition 4k crown senche, then no matter how unlucky, no one should ever spend twice on crates without the possibility of buying the item they want. Under the current numbers, that means gem recovery has to increase to at least 20 per crate.

Publish the odds for getting an item. I used to play a collectable card game app with some pretty terrible business practices, and they at least did that much for card packs.

how about just scrap the whole sad idea and put the stuff that would have been in the boxes at a fixed price in the crown store?

Absolutely the only good idea. Anything else is just accepting gambling as a form of monetization, which nobody ever wanted.

ZunaRoath

People compare this to SWTOR, but let me remind you that in SWTOR you can ACTUALLY SELL what you get in the crates, in a way that others have CHANCES to get it for in game gold, very expensive, yes, but they don't have to buy crates for real money to get what you would like to. In ESO you cannot do this, which is one of the reasons why the crate system is a horrible idea. I don't say let us sell stuff in the crown store, because it would also do kinda bad to the game, just... don't put exclusives in there lol. If ZOS wants it to work like it did in SWTOR, nope, it won't.

I did my crates today, got a Storm Atronach Wolf Mount, quite cool, but for this I won't stop saying what I've been saying for the past days. This is the worst idea ever.

King-Justin-Arisdale

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Crown Crates. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?
• Do you have any general feedback?

Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?

I frown up the Crown Crates. I will not invest a single crown in them no matter how much I want what is inside. On that note I would gladly pay upfront for the item I desire without question. My guild mates and friends are in agreement.
This system is predatory and ruins the feel that ESO has provided all this time. As someone who has witnessed the dark side of life and losing everything, money is not something that I will toss on a gamble ever. Yes, I know that I do not have to buy them, that they are cosmetic only, and if people wish to they can; however, to dangle things we have been looking forward to buying in our faces in the crown store to test, then toss them in a gamble box exclusive is wrong. I am disappointed. These items are only cosmetic, but they add a factor of fun to the game, especially to the beautiful creative minds that enjoy role play. I vaguely remember ZOS saying at one point that the box would contain retired items for chance to get them again. Not exclusives. That is where I draw the line.
I like what is in the crates right now, but not the consumable food, potions, mimic stones, riding skill exc. There was an argonian skin in there I was looking forward to that you allowed us to test twice. Now you are telling me I have to gamble to get it? As I said, I will not.
I opened a lot of boxes and have nothing I want from them or can even use!

Do you have any general feedback?

The number of items in that one box is ludicrous. If you are really going through with this then make mount chance boxes, costume chance, head chance, accessory chance, pet chance, exc, so at least we might get close to having something we want instead of getting hats that I will never use on my character. No love for argonians and helms…
I still will not invest in them though.
Remove consumables:
I opened $50 worth of crates and got consumable potions I do not need, a riding skill upgrade I cannot use, a mimic stone I do not need, two hats and two soul shriven costumes, all of which I do not want, and only 25 stones. The price for stone hand in is way to much for everything. 400 stones for an attro mount, 40 stones for that argonian enveloping scales skin....$50=25 stone...I would pay you $20 right now for that skin before I toss $100 to get enough stones.
Limited direct purchase on items:
Give us a chance to pay straight up for the items. I would rather throw money on a guaranteed thing then on a gamble on box that did not give me anything I want nor even get me close to buying what I want without spending hundreds of dollars I do not have to give you.
Those attro mounts and skins are positively amazing. You know that you would make a killing selling them right out do you not? Instead your giving these things to people that can toss a lot of money away and not be hurt by it. I am not one of those people, every penny is precious to my survival and getting my dreams off the ground.

And FunCom?! Really...a whole lot of no.

These are my opinions and thoughts and simply that.

Danikat

I like the suggestion I saw earlier in this thread to make crown gems purchasable. That way people who want to gamble for a chance to get one of the rare items cheaply, or simply because they enjoy it can buy crates and people who simply want to buy one or more of the rewards can purchase them directly.

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Cerilon

Its pretty cheeky to ask for feedback, you already know what people think. Why else have a mudcrab contest right as developers were speaking about the crates at ESO Live...
Raise prices add consumables-free crates and remove the possibility to receive something we already have. Then at least we can buy our way too the things we actually want even though we might get every other item in the store...

GhostwalkerLD

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I will say this. For as much as ZOS struggles with how to make a successful MMO, they seem to have no problem when it comes to stuff like this. It is like two different studios worked on this, which I think is exactly what happened. These Crown Crates are way too refined for it to come from ZOS. Seriously. I think they hired someone to come in and run the Crown Store for them. (Edit: so they (ZOS) could "focus" on developing for the game)

This was my first impression when I was testing crates on PTS yesterday, as soon as I was done opening 13 crates; I felt something was missing; there were no bugs, their gambling mini game ran far too smoothly compared to everything they put in the game since beta.

That's when I decided to hit ALT + F4 with a bad taste in my mouth for several reasons:

1- I didn't care when Crown Store pop ups appeared every time I logged in, but this time this is literally poking our eyes with ZOS' blatant and horribly marketed greed. Putting stuff out there saying "No harm" is at college freshman marketing 101 level, especially when you can't even back it up with your past actions.

2- Should I even dare to put more time in to this game, knowing how game's potential has been butchered for years? At this point we all know a lot of things players asked for (such as housing) will be so monetized, and if it goes on like this game will start looking like a side product built around Crown Store. That's really what I am afraid of.

3- Now I have more questions about the potential quality of actual content than ever.

4- Is ESO in such a bad shape that they are willing to sacrifice customer loyalty over few players' impulse purchases for game's survival? I think your community has already endured bunch of inexcusable game breaking bugs, and cheating for so long.

if they only offered decent quality DLCs and really added in game mini games like this but asked for subscription, I wouldn't even think twice. But adding F2P games' revenue methods into a so called AAA B2P MMO with optional subscription game appears to be a desperate move at this point. It's like ZOS decided to copy everything EA's Bioware has been doing.. Same game engine, same monetizing methods, launching the game in beta phase.. and so on.

If ZOS thinks a lot of disheartened TES fans are going to forget stuff like this in the long term, they are so wrong.

This, so much... how could these crown crates look so polished while the development for the rest of the game elements recently seems so shoddy in comparison? I guess now we know where ZOS will be putting the majority of their resources, which is a surprise to exactly NO ONE that has played other games that went the sad route of gamble boxes (SWTOR, STO, etc)

Faulgor

Acrolas wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

The crown crates are trying to turn the crown store into a collectible card game.

It's a little more sinister than that. They're trying to get people used to a system that will be the primary revenue source of Elder Scrolls Legends. Spending over and over and over again for rare cards that will entwine you even more deeply into that game and its MTX system.

Elder Scrolls Legends, a full F2P title, seems vastly more fair than this crate disaster. Even though packs are very similar to crates as it's a gamble which cards you get, you can get everything without paying a penny. Just by playing the game you get more than enough gold, crafting gems, cards and packs.

Acrolas wrote: »

And let's look behind the curtain. Is it any coincidence that Heather Powers was an MMORPG adviser on Star Wars the Old Republic when the cash shop became an issue, and is Bethesda's marketing director right as this happens?

That two of her self-founded Game Psyche consultancy services are consumer research and micro-transaction strategy?

I knew she was trouble when she randomly showed up and neutered everyone on stage at PaxEast. If the team fell so quickly and quietly to her Bethesda-blessed direction, then it's pretty much up to this community to make her Enemy Number One.

It won't be pretty but it'll be less laggy than PVP that's for *** sure.

... I'm so tempted to link to Bill ***' bit on marketing, but I don't want to risk a ban.

edit: Huh, his name gets censored, lol. Not sure why.

SilentRaven1972

It almost feels like they are gearing up to turn ESO into a F2P game

Abeille

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

It almost feels like they are gearing up to turn ESO into a F2P game

Yep, it is starting to feel a lot like that

AlienSlof

I've tried them, been utterly disgusted. It's pure greed.

Still, I doubt ZOS will listen to us and get rid of them. They just want our hard-earned money. For nothing.

wayfarerx

Faulgor wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

The crown crates are trying to turn the crown store into a collectible card game.

It's a little more sinister than that. They're trying to get people used to a system that will be the primary revenue source of Elder Scrolls Legends. Spending over and over and over again for rare cards that will entwine you even more deeply into that game and its MTX system.

Elder Scrolls Legends, a full F2P title, seems vastly more fair than this crate disaster. Even though packs are very similar to crates as it's a gamble which cards you get, you can get everything without paying a penny. Just by playing the game you get more than enough gold, crafting gems, cards and packs.

Acrolas wrote: »

And let's look behind the curtain. Is it any coincidence that Heather Powers was an MMORPG adviser on Star Wars the Old Republic when the cash shop became an issue, and is Bethesda's marketing director right as this happens?

That two of her self-founded Game Psyche consultancy services are consumer research and micro-transaction strategy?

I knew she was trouble when she randomly showed up and neutered everyone on stage at PaxEast. If the team fell so quickly and quietly to her Bethesda-blessed direction, then it's pretty much up to this community to make her Enemy Number One.

It won't be pretty but it'll be less laggy than PVP that's for *** sure.

... I'm so tempted to link to Bill ***' bit on marketing, but I don't want to risk a ban.

edit: Huh, his name gets censored, lol. Not sure why.

It's a pejorative in the US for low-intelligence rural folks.

CromulentForumID

rhapsodious wrote: »

That's what gets me about the whole thing - there's so much polish and pizzazz on this. The animations, the voiceover, the fact that it doesn't simply look slapped together - all for something that is money-grabbing at best and predatory at worst. Meanwhile, things that should hypothetically only be small fixes (like guild kiosk bids, if I'm imagining/assuming correctly, should just be a variable) remain at the wayside.

If you want to be extra sad, compare this feature and its polish to what we got for appearance changes.

Appearance change may be the most player-desired feature that was not part of the base game. These crown crates may be the least-desired feature.

For one, we got new animations, voice acting, interfaces, etc..

For the other, we got some menus and expensive pricing on top of it.

I must stop thinking about it now, as I just made myself sad.

jeremiah911

Did you like/use the consumables you received from the Crown Crates?

Currently, I do not like or have a use for any of the consumables. I've used all of the consumables in the past, but I can craft (food / drink), or do not have the need (XP scrolls / repair kits / etc) for any of these items.

Do you have any general feedback?

Initially, I was not opposed to Crown Crates as I have bought these items in the past while playing different games. I've spent thousands of dollars on this game (both PS4 and PC) so I have no problem spending on current or past Crown store items I missed out on. However, after testing the Crown Crates and experiencing the same loot results as many in this thread, I will not only not spend a single dime on Crown Crates, but I will not spend a single dime on anything Crown Store related.

My main point of contention with the crates are the vast number of exclusives / never to be previously released items on the Crown Store, in addition to no legitimate avenue to obtain the items I want. Right now the return on Crown Gems and the price of Apex rewards, are not viable. Anyone with 1/10th of a brain can see their odds of obtaining the item they want are vastly stacked against them. I love spending my money. I would purchase all the mounts outright that are shown in the current Crown Crates, but this implementation is nothing short of greedy, desperate and utter disrespect to your most loyal customers.

I will gladly purchase Crown Crates as I truly love playing and supporting this game. However, if what is on test makes it to live then you will loose my revenue stream for anything related to the Crown Store.

cjthibs

AlienSlof wrote: »

Still, I doubt ZOS will listen to us and get rid of them. They just want our hard-earned money. For nothing.

...and their chicks for free?

Vrath

cjthibs wrote: »

Also, explain why it is good for the game when each of the games listed that have had similar mechanisms had a huge decrease in population once these 'micro-transaction strategies' were implemented. Let's have a chat about how many people left SWTOR when they implemented the same type of things, or how many people were angry with ME3's boxes. Let's talk about how many people are left playing WildStar these days.

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You are trying to push an agenda with an incorrect narrative, micro transactions had nothing to do with Wildstar or SWTOR going F2P. They went F2P just like ESO due to not being ready to launch and not being able to hang on to players while they righted the ship. The F2P and micro trans saved SWTOR who knows about WS it has other problems, the games lost minimal players due to micro transactions.

SWTOR is fine, it is restrictive in F2P with silly stuff but you can play 8 class stories for free not a lot to a argue against. However the cash shop, in particular - hypercrates, in addition to subs have made them successful financially and the community has very little outcry certainly not like this. That is a good thing for those that love the game and one cant fault players for supporting a game they love and enjoy good for them! The RNG boxes are unique to MMOs they are popular in many games and formats, if they weren't they wouldn't be implemented so often.

Who really is to blame the companies that make what people purchase or the people that purchase what is made? If no one bought them, they wouldnt make them.

Kendaric

Vrath wrote: »

SWTOR is fine, it is restrictive in F2P with silly stuff but you can play 8 class stories for free not a lot to a argue against. However the cash shop, in particular - hypercrates, in addition to subs have made them successful financially and the community has very little outcry certainly not like this. That is a good thing for those that love the game and one cant fault players for supporting a game they love and enjoy good for them! The RNG boxes are unique to MMOs they are popular in many games and formats, if they weren't they wouldn't be implemented so often.

You must have missed the huge outcry during SWTOR's f2p transition.

But that is beside the point, what makes SWTOR's crates bearable is the fact that you can sell everything in them on GTN. Sure, the items are expensive as hell, but you can get every item without ever purchasing a single crate from the cartel market (at least as subscriber. for the f2p player the prices are way beyond their credit limit).
That, however, is not an option in ESO.

Abeille

Kendaric wrote: »

Vrath wrote: »

SWTOR is fine, it is restrictive in F2P with silly stuff but you can play 8 class stories for free not a lot to a argue against. However the cash shop, in particular - hypercrates, in addition to subs have made them successful financially and the community has very little outcry certainly not like this. That is a good thing for those that love the game and one cant fault players for supporting a game they love and enjoy good for them! The RNG boxes are unique to MMOs they are popular in many games and formats, if they weren't they wouldn't be implemented so often.

You must have missed the huge outcry during SWTOR's f2p transition.

But that is beside the point, what makes SWTOR's crates bearable is the fact that you can sell everything in them on GTN. Sure, the items are expensive as hell, but you can get every item without ever purchasing a single crate from the cartel market (at least as subscriber. for the f2p player the prices are way beyond their credit limit).
That, however, is not an option in ESO.

I imagine it will be an option eventually. Remember when ZOS sent those mails to people with piles of Crowns, about testing some gifting systems for the Crown Store? A couple of months ago or so.

acw37162

Epona222 wrote: »

There are 2 mounts, 3 pets, and a hat that I would buy in direct purchase from the crown store as and when they were released - that's what, around 10,000 crowns all in all. I will not be gambling for those items (I am testing it out on the PTS, and out of 13 crates purchased so far, didn't get a single one of the items I wanted and have a pitiful 23 gems for duplicate items plus a few consumables that I have absolutely no use for). I am not stupid enough to spend actual money on this.

If this is implemented where these things are crate-exclusive items, zeni will have lost themselves 10k crowns from me, and I daresay I am not alone.

I think the atronach mounts are horrible btw.

There are roughly five things I would buy in the inventory they released on test maybe six.

Two days of burning through the 5500 crowns they parcel out and I've not found one of them.

I stand by this; you drop this disaster on live; I will burn though all the crowns I have in the bank.

I will then log out and cruise my PS4 menu over to subscriptions > turn off auto-renewal

And I will see you again if you ever come to your senses

If you don't thanks for the year plus and I'll give my money to people who think it's good enough to just sell me something with out hiding it in a gambling box.

Kendaric

Abeille wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Vrath wrote: »

SWTOR is fine, it is restrictive in F2P with silly stuff but you can play 8 class stories for free not a lot to a argue against. However the cash shop, in particular - hypercrates, in addition to subs have made them successful financially and the community has very little outcry certainly not like this. That is a good thing for those that love the game and one cant fault players for supporting a game they love and enjoy good for them! The RNG boxes are unique to MMOs they are popular in many games and formats, if they weren't they wouldn't be implemented so often.

You must have missed the huge outcry during SWTOR's f2p transition.

But that is beside the point, what makes SWTOR's crates bearable is the fact that you can sell everything in them on GTN. Sure, the items are expensive as hell, but you can get every item without ever purchasing a single crate from the cartel market (at least as subscriber. for the f2p player the prices are way beyond their credit limit).
That, however, is not an option in ESO.

I imagine it will be an option eventually. Remember when ZOS sent those mails to people with piles of Crowns, about testing some gifting systems for the Crown Store? A couple of months ago or so.

That's possible of course, though I imagine it will be more like a true gift system (like when you purchase a game on Steam and gift it to someone else). I highly doubt we'll see an option to sell crown store items for in-game gold like it is possible in SWTOR.

elven.were_wolf

I absolutaly HATE this. I tried to look at it possitively but I can't.

I feel like to make it worth it is if all items in the crown crates were cosmetics that way the content you get is narrowed down so you have a better chance at getting what you want. Also it makes it much more tempting as you have a chance to get an expensive mount for only $400. Lastly, since one is only getting cosmetics there's a big chance of getting what you want as things will get repeated more often and you might actually be able to actually get enough crown gems to spend those on those outrageously overpriced 400 gem items. Plus it's not trash potions that one could get in game for gold, crafting which are much better anyway or the already implemented RNG system of getting invisiblity potions and such from theives troves and that Dark Brotherhood supplier.

If ZOS really wants to add those potions in the crown store, just sell them in the utility section so that one can have the choice to buy them when in the middle of something that requires said potions and therebis no merchant, bank or craftstation nearby.

Don't force crap we don't want down our throats especially when it requires real life hard earned money to get said crap.

I feel like if everything in the crate was cosmetic then that fits in with the idea of what the crown store supposed to be. And least people payed for something that you can't get in-game. Not some crap that you pay for when you can already get it in game for free in reality and spend in-game currency that is MUCH easier to get then spending real hard earned money that you worked 16 difficult hours at the office which you can instead buy a meal to feed a whole family as well as clothes for them with the amount we pay for the 90% crap in the crates that we don't need and is NOT EVEN USEFUL.

Merlight

Vrath wrote: »

Who really is to blame the companies that make what people purchase or the people that purchase what is made? If no one bought them, they wouldnt make them.

Yeah. They make lousy games because people buy them. Stop buying bad games, you fools! Fun aside, your argument is quite disturbing. The fact that people fall for a scam doesn't make its perpetrators the good guys. You wouldn't use that argument to justify drug producers or human organ sellers, would you?

Dromede

Apparantly, devs want us to hit 100 pages here as well... You asked for it - and you've been heard Oh wait now...

This is the thing - people keep repeating themselves and others with the same point - community likes neither this idea, nor the implementation of rng chance.

It's sad that so many people are using a "cancel my sub" argument here. But what else can we do? As a customer, i don't think there's any way i'll be happy or content (even at a 'good enough, harmless enough' level) with this system. And this is the only way i, as many others as well, see to protest.

It breaks my heart how beautifully Pacrooti interactions/animations are handled, and how much of a gimmick the barber shop is in comparison. I'm already guessing how many cool housing items are going to be stuck in crates only, and how there's infinite amount of ways to exploit this system from developers' side.

My sub runs out around December. I'm not planning to renew it as of now.

jedtb16_ESO

seems to be a lot of disappointed disgruntled people here....

i wonder if zos is taking any notice?

nah.... sorry, just me being silly

AmberLaTerra

Merlight wrote: »

Vrath wrote: »

Who really is to blame the companies that make what people purchase or the people that purchase what is made? If no one bought them, they wouldnt make them.

Yeah. They make lousy games because people buy them. Stop buying bad games, you fools! Fun aside, your argument is quite disturbing. The fact that people fall for a scam doesn't make its perpetrators the good guys. You wouldn't use that argument to justify drug producers or human organ sellers, would you?

What people don't get is there is a history here. I give it a year maybe two years before we see another crash like 1983.

The pumping out bad products and money grabs as fast as possible instead of quality is what really lead to the fall of Atari not the single game that shall not be named that is up there among the worst of all time but many bad games made fast just to get sales numbers.

The same thing is happening in the gaming industry now with many bad games coming out. I mean lets look at most modern game flash and graphic wise they are amazing but how many have the detail to accompany that? How many games with great stories and re-playability do we see like we used to?

To the current game company meta re-playablilty means lets remake the same product with new skins and new backgrounds (CoD for example) or add some pointless item that can only be bought in a DLC that will be used for a bit before the game is set aside.

This is compounded by the introduction of mirco transactions, as well as the release of games that are no where near complete and then having to buy multiple DLCs to actually get a finished product instead of having a valid finished product from the start with DLCs that expand upon that product. Such is even the case in ESO (Imperial edition to get a race that is standard in other ES games)

All the entire industry is doing it setting itself up for a rebellion by us gamers of not paying for the products again until we get our moneys worth which will lead to another 1983 gaming crash only this time there no signs of a nintendo to save us 2 years later with an NES as even the furture of gaming systems like VR seem to have already fallen into this cash grab idea that is doom.

Will these crown crates be the nail in the coffin to gaming as we know it? No, but they are just another stepping stone on the road to dark days with bad gaming and a crash looming.

The sad thing is all the gaming industry including ZOS needs to do to avoid the looming cliff is actually listen to their customers, not treat us as simple dollar signs. If they simply remember without us their games are not played and make no money and give us the quality gaming we want they would make more money in the long run then these suicidal cash grabs will every make.

I suppose in this day and age where it only quarterly income that seems to mean anything to business and the big picture is ignored the absolute bull**** way we are treated as customers will continue as long as we remain customers.

I for one will give them a few days to see the error in this, if nothing changes and this game goes down the path of screw the play quality just get as much money as fast as we can I will cancel my sub and be as minimal of a customer as I can, being I actually bought the game and did sub until that point I will not be able to say I am not a costumer in some way even then but at least I will be less of one since I am not even treated like one to begin with.