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Auction House
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✭ScottK1994 wrote: »I dunno how tight hold over gem markets in WoW equates to market control. In WoW it was really easy to just ask a guild mate to do it for you if you werent right financially.
I just don't understand the lack of interest in change, just because there's vast profit in terms of numbers. But the gold is worth far less
You can get a guildy to make you free things in every MMO, that doesn't mean a person can't have tight control over what is sold in an AH.
And the reason gold is close to worthless in this game is the overwhelming lack of decent gold sinks. Everything other MMOs use as gold sinks ZO$ has put behind a crown wall instead or simply isn't capable of providing. Reforge and trait changes to gear? Nope. Barber Shop? Give us you dollar$! Pets? More dollar$. Mounts? $$$. Disguises? $$$$$. That is why gold in this game is pretty worthless, you have nothing to spend it on other than to make even more gold. >.>0 -
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✭✭snakester320 wrote: »
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....0 -
ScottK1994✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »The more these threads are made the more people grow tiresome looking at an entire page of the same topic.
There's like 3 trading threads on the first page. God forbid you think this idea goes unseen or forgotten about.
Speak for yourself. The more these threads are seen the more people are reminded that not everyone agrees with the current system for the player economy.
and there have been posts on this from the beginning. have they changed the trading system yet ? no. so 50 more threads about the same thing arent going to change it.
By that logic the people asking for Text Chat on Console should of given up. The players asking for Small Scale PvP should of given up and those asking for the removal of Veteran Ranks should of given up.
Considering youre not a ZOS employee and have absolutely no means of speaking on behalf of them. To say this will never change is laughable.
the difference is a lot of people wanted that stuff. only you and like 4 other people give a crap about an auction house.1 -
Neirymn✭✭✭✭ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
Not for long, text chat is coming August 16.
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grom1024✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »Above are some people with hundreds of thousands of gold and are worried that they'll seem less rich in a working system.
People say this a lot and it's nonsense. I'm in a good trade guild with a prime spot and I don't see any collusion or exploiting the system, just weekly raffles and such like any other guild.
What supporters of the global auction house overlook is that people like me will game the holy hell out of a global store front. I've done it in other MMOs and I'd do it here as well. I wouldn't need a guild or raffles or any of that nonsense, just me and a couple hours hacking some LUA and boom, your markets belong to me. The current system makes such market domination infeasible for the solo individual and difficult for large guilds. A global auction house would make it trivial for everyone.
Your cure is worse than the disease.
Wouldn't that get you a ban though ? Well, with ZOS, a 3 day suspension I guess....
You could fully automate the process and yes, that would be a TOS violation... but it's not necessary to do so. I was thinking of a modified Master Merchant addon to scan the AH and an extension to AwesomeGuildStore that would automatically surface the best deals. I'd keep a laptop running ESO around and every half hour or so run a scan of the AH, buy up any good deals and immediately realist them for higher prices.
And it would not just be me, hundreds of people would do this. Many of them wouldn't just play the buy-low-sell-high game either, they would actively seek to control entire chunks of the market. And as long as people were not automating the process there would not be a single suspension or ban.
If there is account-wide limit 100 buy and sell deals per day, or 50 deals per day accumulated for 12 days max like enlightenment now, then your script will stop to work and load up servers with queries. And you assume that API would allow you doing it. It is not necessary so. Requiring human confirmation for sale or buy fill force you to sit near notebook, or violate ToS with perma-ban possibility by using third party program to skip this step. For each too-smart-for-own-good, there is possible improvement in the code that would make it worthless. Normal users will not notice such restrictions, only market players. They will have to play smart to squeeze any speculation income in such situation and focus on high-level goods.0 -
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✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »The more these threads are made the more people grow tiresome looking at an entire page of the same topic.
There's like 3 trading threads on the first page. God forbid you think this idea goes unseen or forgotten about.
Speak for yourself. The more these threads are seen the more people are reminded that not everyone agrees with the current system for the player economy.
and there have been posts on this from the beginning. have they changed the trading system yet ? no. so 50 more threads about the same thing arent going to change it.
By that logic the people asking for Text Chat on Console should of given up. The players asking for Small Scale PvP should of given up and those asking for the removal of Veteran Ranks should of given up.
Considering youre not a ZOS employee and have absolutely no means of speaking on behalf of them. To say this will never change is laughable.
Text Chat and Small scale PvP was never stated as a NO and they always said that it was being looked at. Vet Rank system was never going to be permanent , but was there till they could get the CP system worked out. ( Refer to AuA segments of ESO-Live and the old "Road Ahead" segments).
But, they (real Zos employees), have stated live, on camera, in 2014, that, No, There will be no auction house. Ever. This was brought up again on ESO-Live 4/24/15 AuA segment. So no, we dont speak for Zos, But Zos has spoken. More than once.. There will be no auction house.. Ever,,,Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on July 23, 2016 6:30PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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ScottK1994✭✭✭ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
Not for long, text chat is coming August 16.
Yeah I know, but it always feels longer waiting for something.. It's only 3 weeks but maybe if I froze myself in the Pentland hills and get a friend to wake me on release day. Butters is a good guy for things like that..
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Milicent✭✭✭They won’t change it, if they centralize it, prices would go down, some people don’t want that.
And those people are likely the ones that spend more real money on the game, ZoS knows that and they won’t change a thing.
Welcome to practical capitalism.————
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grom1024✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »But, they (real Zos employees), have stated live, on camera, in 2014, that, No, There will be no auction house. Ever. This was brought up again on ESO-Live 4/24/15 AuA segment. So no, we dont speak for Zos, But Zos has spoken. More than once.. There will be no auction house.. Ever,,,
There is Russian proverb "water splits rocks", so we will keep trying. If you are so sure, then there is no need to be agitated So far only hardcore traders voiced for the current system, and they go so far as threaten to break the game for the rest of the players if AH is implemented. Typical FUD tactics.
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✭✭ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
let me get this straight....
you can't talk to other players on console?
really???
you bought into an mmo on a system that dosn't let you talk to other players?
an mmo? a massively multiplayer online game and you can't talk to other players???
/facepalm
and because of that you want to disrupt an economy that works perfectly well (and lets not overlook the fact that soon you will be able to talk to other players) because you use a system that is not fit for purpose?
your honour....
i rest my case.1 -
snakester320✭✭✭✭Love the excuse of text chat is the other way to sell yeah dredge though a wall of text trying to sell or buy:) yeah smart!! whats the point of text chat on the pc or for console ( when it arrives ) if its just going to be a wall of WTS WTB spams!! so why not juts put a AH or market board join every thing together makes it easier less messy and fair for all!!0
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ScottK1994✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
let me get this straight....
you can't talk to other players on console?
really???
you bought into an mmo on a system that dosn't let you talk to other players?
an mmo? a massively multiplayer online game and you can't talk to other players???
/facepalm
and because of that you want to disrupt an economy that works perfectly well (and lets not overlook the fact that soon you will be able to talk to other players) because you use a system that is not fit for purpose?
your honour....
i rest my case.
No because all the evidence points to the contrary and that the system is not suit to purpose unless the purpose is to allow it to be terrible0 -
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✭✭snakester320 wrote: »Love the excuse of text chat is the other way to sell yeah dredge though a wall of text trying to sell or buy:) yeah smart!! whats the point of text chat on the pc or for console ( when it arrives ) if its just going to be a wall of WTS WTB spams!! so why not juts put a AH or market board join every thing together makes it easier less messy and fair for all!!
because it isn't a wall of wts/wtb spams..... you get a lot in major hubs true - but that's what people go there for.0 -
snakester320✭✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »But, they (real Zos employees), have stated live, on camera, in 2014, that, No, There will be no auction house. Ever. This was brought up again on ESO-Live 4/24/15 AuA segment. So no, we dont speak for Zos, But Zos has spoken. More than once.. There will be no auction house.. Ever,,,
There is Russian proverb "water splits rocks", so we will keep trying. If you are so sure, then there is no need to be agitated So far only hardcore traders voiced for the current system, and they go so far as threaten to break the game for the rest of the players if AH is implemented. Typical FUD tactics.
[snip] dont see them breaking anything what are they going to do raise the prices of everything [snip] that will work for 10 minutes till they get undercut by ppl wanting to sell ..unsub and leave lmao may lose 5k and be replaced by another 5k!!! apart from fully crafted blah blah crap!!! most can be got out of 12man runs and ive seen some good sets there ... raise the prices of materials ppl will farm mats again and start to undercut them once again..its nothing more than empty threat !!
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✭Scottk I thought you said you were done posting in here.
I have an account on XB1 as well and yes the lack of text chat is a pain. Due to the severe chat limitations, prices are all over the place. Potent Nirncrux is 35k at a vendor in Rawlkha and then its 8k in eldenroot. People unsure of prices are taking guesses and putting stuff up for sale based on a price they feel is right. Thats how it should be, it opens the door for bargains.
Whereas an auction house you see this:
16,000, 15999, 15998, 15997, 15996 because the instant gratification kids that populate MMOs today just want a quick sale.
One of the reasons I came to ESO is because it was different from the other 20ish mmo titles ive played in the past. I loved EQ, channel selling, no AH...you had to work.
I guess its how we grew up with gaming. I believe in rewards behind hard work. Others want to be spoonfed selffishly because their content is more important than content for merchants (us, the group that enjoys haggaling, bargain hunting, maximizing our profit potentials).
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ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone else think we really, really should get a centralized auction house? It'd be just so much easier to find things.
No. We don't want or need one. We especially don't want to attract the gold farmers back. As it is, the economy makes this game unprofitable for them.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.0 -
ScottK1994✭✭✭I said I was going to stop replying to certain people if anything.
And its a complete lack of care about the community(edit, not from zenimax)which is one of the reasons I'm considering stopping this game. Ive met like four nice people out a few thousand, obviously some there was a social block but still this trading system is a hindrance to majority of newcomers.
Only a minority of people want a system where it feels like trading and bartering of goods, most people want to sell items that aren't useful to them but useful to others and buy things they want in an convenient way.
Not many people find money or trading fun, I at least play games to avoid the realities of the world.
An AH is convenient and the trader system isn't and that is the only thing that really matters.Edited by ScottK1994 on July 23, 2016 7:32PM3 -
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wake up and welcome to modern mmos friend!!! more players more money for the company !!! easier spoon fed content means more money for the company.. game already failed at release with the quick exit of subcription base and now pushing alot of content behind a pay wall... cant see them making huge money when there taking sooo long to fix the crazy amount of bugs that riddle all platforms!! other mmos still have subs and have the same if not more paying subs and regular updates patches putting more content in!!( for free ) because they cater to the masses!!Scottk I thought you said you were done posting in here.
I have an account on XB1 as well and yes the lack of text chat is a pain. Due to the severe chat limitations, prices are all over the place. Potent Nirncrux is 35k at a vendor in Rawlkha and then its 8k in eldenroot. People unsure of prices are taking guesses and putting stuff up for sale based on a price they feel is right. Thats how it should be, it opens the door for bargains.
Whereas an auction house you see this:
16,000, 15999, 15998, 15997, 15996 because the instant gratification kids that populate MMOs today just want a quick sale.
One of the reasons I came to ESO is because it was different from the other 20ish mmo titles ive played in the past. I loved EQ, channel selling, no AH...you had to work.
I guess its how we grew up with gaming. I believe in rewards behind hard work. Others want to be spoonfed selffishly because their content is more important than content for merchants (us, the group that enjoys haggaling, bargain hunting, maximizing our profit potentials).
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grom1024✭✭✭I guess its how we grew up with gaming. I believe in rewards behind hard work. Others want to be spoonfed selffishly because their content is more important than content for merchants (us, the group that enjoys haggaling, bargain hunting, maximizing our profit potentials).
Then there will be no problem with situation when two system co-exists. Currently you are defending the fun for few out of inconvenience for many.0 -
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✭✭I guess its how we grew up with gaming. I believe in rewards behind hard work. Others want to be spoonfed selffishly because their content is more important than content for merchants (us, the group that enjoys haggaling, bargain hunting, maximizing our profit potentials).
Then there will be no problem with situation when two system co-exists. Currently you are defending the fun for few out of inconvenience for many.
how do you know it is only fun for a few and an inconvenience for many?0 -
I personally find it annoying to have to go to a million and one guild traders just to find some crafting mats. After the millionth trader and not finding the stuff I need, a central AH would be easier and less time wasting. Do you know how much time is wasted just by going to so many traders, just to find out that there's nothing you need on there?1 -
grom1024✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I guess its how we grew up with gaming. I believe in rewards behind hard work. Others want to be spoonfed selffishly because their content is more important than content for merchants (us, the group that enjoys haggaling, bargain hunting, maximizing our profit potentials).
Then there will be no problem with situation when two system co-exists. Currently you are defending the fun for few out of inconvenience for many.
how do you know it is only fun for a few and an inconvenience for many?
I was talking to people. And even in this thread almost every casual that comes there says that he or she wants AH. And there are much more casuals than hardcore traders. For buyer to reach seller too much effort is required. This is bad user experience, not speaking of the fact that choice offered by guild is too poor because of limited marked size. Only hardcore traders said that they like the guild trade system so far. They still could have their own guild trade playground if they want.
But you could try running a poll like:- I want trade system to stay the way it is.
- I want Auction House added to the system with appropriate anti-botting measures with saving guild traders.
- I want Auction House with appropriate anti-botting measures to replace the current guild traders.
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✭Averya_Teira wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »Above are some people with hundreds of thousands of gold and are worried that they'll seem less rich in a working system.
People say this a lot and it's nonsense. I'm in a good trade guild with a prime spot and I don't see any collusion or exploiting the system, just weekly raffles and such like any other guild.
What supporters of the global auction house overlook is that people like me will game the holy hell out of a global store front. I've done it in other MMOs and I'd do it here as well. I wouldn't need a guild or raffles or any of that nonsense, just me and a couple hours hacking some LUA and boom, your markets belong to me. The current system makes such market domination infeasible for the solo individual and difficult for large guilds. A global auction house would make it trivial for everyone.
Your cure is worse than the disease.
Wouldn't that get you a ban though ? Well, with ZOS, a 3 day suspension I guess....
You could fully automate the process and yes, that would be a TOS violation... but it's not necessary to do so. I was thinking of a modified Master Merchant addon to scan the AH and an extension to AwesomeGuildStore that would automatically surface the best deals. I'd keep a laptop running ESO around and every half hour or so run a scan of the AH, buy up any good deals and immediately realist them for higher prices.
And it would not just be me, hundreds of people would do this. Many of them wouldn't just play the buy-low-sell-high game either, they would actively seek to control entire chunks of the market. And as long as people were not automating the process there would not be a single suspension or ban.
If there is account-wide limit 100 buy and sell deals per day, or 50 deals per day accumulated for 12 days max like enlightenment now, then your script will stop to work and load up servers with queries. And you assume that API would allow you doing it. It is not necessary so. Requiring human confirmation for sale or buy fill force you to sit near notebook, or violate ToS with perma-ban possibility by using third party program to skip this step. For each too-smart-for-own-good, there is possible improvement in the code that would make it worthless. Normal users will not notice such restrictions, only market players. They will have to play smart to squeeze any speculation income in such situation and focus on high-level goods.
That is a stupid idea no MMO worth its name would go with. Controlling the market, playing the market is considered a valid play style in MMOs. Creating silly rules to limit players from playing would be same as saying 'Oh you can only kill up to 20 people in PvP per day'. It is stupid.1 -
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Avidspark✭✭✭✭ScottK1994 wrote: »Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »And it's not like I can be a blacksmith,woodworker, alchemist, enchanter, provisional guy all on the same character
u can, and even play your build.
Nah I've two builds. I'm a wood worker and clothier, I have 8 skill points left. It's not a reasonable end game amicability to do every single quest that requires a skill point(which I've done many) and I probably still wouldn't have enough points if I did to max others out. You can't master every single skill with one character Why would they allow that
I have (every crafting skill mastered), and still play my DK mage build with ease...it's not as hard as you're making out.Edited by Avidspark on July 23, 2016 10:02PM'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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✭ScottK1994 wrote: »Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »And it's not like I can be a blacksmith,woodworker, alchemist, enchanter, provisional guy all on the same character
u can, and even play your build.
Nah I've two builds. I'm a wood worker and clothier, I have 8 skill points left. It's not a reasonable end game amicability to do every single quest that requires a skill point(which I've done many) and I probably still wouldn't have enough points if I did to max others out. You can't master every single skill with one character Why would they allow that
I have (every crafting skill mastered), and still play my DK mage build with ease...it's not as hard as you're making out.
Tell me about it... I have all professions maxed, every useful skill and passive in the game and 4 different weapons unlocked and I still have Skill Points left. >.>1 -
TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭ScottK1994 wrote: »Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »And it's not like I can be a blacksmith,woodworker, alchemist, enchanter, provisional guy all on the same character
u can, and even play your build.
Nah I've two builds. I'm a wood worker and clothier, I have 8 skill points left. It's not a reasonable end game amicability to do every single quest that requires a skill point(which I've done many) and I probably still wouldn't have enough points if I did to max others out. You can't master every single skill with one character Why would they allow that
I have (every crafting skill mastered), and still play my DK mage build with ease...it's not as hard as you're making out.
Ditto. It seems impossible at the start (or where @ScottK1994 is at the moment) but it really isn't if you invest time. Wood, cloth, bsmith, enchanting, provisioning (easy) and just need to finish up alchemy.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »I have grown tired of spending all day to find something. I just do without now. It's exhausting and stupid to have to zone everywhere to find an item.
What the blazes are you looking for?exeeter702 wrote: »Interesting..... have none of you ever stopped to think for a second that the reason they opted for this system over an auction house is due to server limitations?
This subject has come up before. There are a number of arguments not well represented in the current thread. Mind you, not all of these I necessarily agree with...
1. Overhead delivering the list of items for sale to you would introduce latency in the item list. (network load)
2. Server complexity dealing with contention on a wider scale (server load)
3. ZOS could not program a UI for guild traders, why would anyone thing they would make a usable UI for an auction house?
4. ZOS creates 2 bugs for every fix, not even counting new bugs for every feature. It could be years before an auction house actually worked. Exploits, item loss, and gold loss would be a certainty.
5. Guild Traders are a gold sink so an auction house would require a large "house cut" to compensate
6. Auction houses encourage and support gold sellers more than the guild system does
7. Cut-throat pricing is more frequent, so there would be more "one copper undercutting"Edited by Elsonso on July 24, 2016 1:23AMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭I guess its how we grew up with gaming. I believe in rewards behind hard work. Others want to be spoonfed selffishly because their content is more important than content for merchants (us, the group that enjoys haggaling, bargain hunting, maximizing our profit potentials).
Then there will be no problem with situation when two system co-exists. Currently you are defending the fun for few out of inconvenience for many.
The two systems cannot co-exist, which is since on system would overtake the other (which does not mean Zos should let the two systems duel it out).
Additionally, and more important, many, would think your opinion that some of us are defending the fun for a few out of the inconvenience for the many. Complaining about dislike of something is more common than vocal support of an idea. If the guild trader situation was truly disliked by most, and only liked by the "few" the forums would have blown up about this long ago and yet is has not.
The most important aspect of discussion like this is understanding a few points?
1. People have differing opinions of what they would like to have in game. Neither side is necessarily wrong though sometimes people use incorrect information to support their argument.
2. Not everything in the game will be as we would prefer it. This is really just a matter of life as there are many things all of us would like different.
3. Most of us do not see the big picture since we lack the information to be able to see what is really going on.
In the end we should respect others thoughts, be constructive and avoid generalizations to try to support our arguments.Edited by idk on July 24, 2016 5:02AM1
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