jedtb16_ESO wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »The fact that it comes up often at all is a big thing
not really because its the same few people every time...
xilfxlegion wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »The more these threads are made the more people grow tiresome looking at an entire page of the same topic.
There's like 3 trading threads on the first page. God forbid you think this idea goes unseen or forgotten about.
Speak for yourself. The more these threads are seen the more people are reminded that not everyone agrees with the current system for the player economy.
and there have been posts on this from the beginning. have they changed the trading system yet ? no. so 50 more threads about the same thing arent going to change it.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »The more these threads are made the more people grow tiresome looking at an entire page of the same topic.
There's like 3 trading threads on the first page. God forbid you think this idea goes unseen or forgotten about.
Speak for yourself. The more these threads are seen the more people are reminded that not everyone agrees with the current system for the player economy.
and there have been posts on this from the beginning. have they changed the trading system yet ? no. so 50 more threads about the same thing arent going to change it.
By that logic the people asking for Text Chat on Console should of given up. The players asking for Small Scale PvP should of given up and those asking for the removal of Veteran Ranks should of given up.
Considering youre not a ZOS employee and have absolutely no means of speaking on behalf of them. To say this will never change is laughable.
lordrichter wrote: »This is one case where real world analogies like this fall apart. In the real world, the people who own the gas station kiosks don't strip Walmart bare and resell the stuff at a higher price. In the game, they would strip Walmart bare and offer it back to Walmart at a higher price.
I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
Averya_Teira wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »Above are some people with hundreds of thousands of gold and are worried that they'll seem less rich in a working system.
People say this a lot and it's nonsense. I'm in a good trade guild with a prime spot and I don't see any collusion or exploiting the system, just weekly raffles and such like any other guild.
What supporters of the global auction house overlook is that people like me will game the holy hell out of a global store front. I've done it in other MMOs and I'd do it here as well. I wouldn't need a guild or raffles or any of that nonsense, just me and a couple hours hacking some LUA and boom, your markets belong to me. The current system makes such market domination infeasible for the solo individual and difficult for large guilds. A global auction house would make it trivial for everyone.
Your cure is worse than the disease.
Wouldn't that get you a ban though ? Well, with ZOS, a 3 day suspension I guess....
snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »The fact that it comes up often at all is a big thing
not really because its the same few people every time...
I doubt that.
ScottK1994 wrote: »I dunno how tight hold over gem markets in WoW equates to market control. In WoW it was really easy to just ask a guild mate to do it for you if you werent right financially.
I just don't understand the lack of interest in change, just because there's vast profit in terms of numbers. But the gold is worth far less
snakester320 wrote: »how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »The more these threads are made the more people grow tiresome looking at an entire page of the same topic.
There's like 3 trading threads on the first page. God forbid you think this idea goes unseen or forgotten about.
Speak for yourself. The more these threads are seen the more people are reminded that not everyone agrees with the current system for the player economy.
and there have been posts on this from the beginning. have they changed the trading system yet ? no. so 50 more threads about the same thing arent going to change it.
By that logic the people asking for Text Chat on Console should of given up. The players asking for Small Scale PvP should of given up and those asking for the removal of Veteran Ranks should of given up.
Considering youre not a ZOS employee and have absolutely no means of speaking on behalf of them. To say this will never change is laughable.
ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
Averya_Teira wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »Above are some people with hundreds of thousands of gold and are worried that they'll seem less rich in a working system.
People say this a lot and it's nonsense. I'm in a good trade guild with a prime spot and I don't see any collusion or exploiting the system, just weekly raffles and such like any other guild.
What supporters of the global auction house overlook is that people like me will game the holy hell out of a global store front. I've done it in other MMOs and I'd do it here as well. I wouldn't need a guild or raffles or any of that nonsense, just me and a couple hours hacking some LUA and boom, your markets belong to me. The current system makes such market domination infeasible for the solo individual and difficult for large guilds. A global auction house would make it trivial for everyone.
Your cure is worse than the disease.
Wouldn't that get you a ban though ? Well, with ZOS, a 3 day suspension I guess....
You could fully automate the process and yes, that would be a TOS violation... but it's not necessary to do so. I was thinking of a modified Master Merchant addon to scan the AH and an extension to AwesomeGuildStore that would automatically surface the best deals. I'd keep a laptop running ESO around and every half hour or so run a scan of the AH, buy up any good deals and immediately realist them for higher prices.
And it would not just be me, hundreds of people would do this. Many of them wouldn't just play the buy-low-sell-high game either, they would actively seek to control entire chunks of the market. And as long as people were not automating the process there would not be a single suspension or ban.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »The more these threads are made the more people grow tiresome looking at an entire page of the same topic.
There's like 3 trading threads on the first page. God forbid you think this idea goes unseen or forgotten about.
Speak for yourself. The more these threads are seen the more people are reminded that not everyone agrees with the current system for the player economy.
and there have been posts on this from the beginning. have they changed the trading system yet ? no. so 50 more threads about the same thing arent going to change it.
By that logic the people asking for Text Chat on Console should of given up. The players asking for Small Scale PvP should of given up and those asking for the removal of Veteran Ranks should of given up.
Considering youre not a ZOS employee and have absolutely no means of speaking on behalf of them. To say this will never change is laughable.
ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
Not for long, text chat is coming August 16.
wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »But, they (real Zos employees), have stated live, on camera, in 2014, that, No, There will be no auction house. Ever. This was brought up again on ESO-Live 4/24/15 AuA segment. So no, we dont speak for Zos, But Zos has spoken. More than once.. There will be no auction house.. Ever,,,
ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »ScottK1994 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »how so you have to bid on guild traders to my understanding so if you can afford to out bid another guild for the right to have a guild trader then you richer than the other guild so you get to sell your goods to the population where as other guilds dont!! thus being able to control the market as such..where as if there was a AH it would allow everyone to have a fair go at selling in the markets not just guilds with more money than others!! haters only hate because they stand to lose there market and it worries them!!jedtb16_ESO wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »sorry but the im going to unsub from the game is like 100 years old .. by my understanding ZOS must make most of there profit off the kiddies wanting mounts and costumes blah blah so even if 1000 ppl unsubed beacuse of a GLOBAL AH which in my opinion should be introduced to stop rich guilds controling the markets and making it easier for EVERYONE to sell and find stuff.. its really not going to hurt much look at EA they spit out crap regularly but still make money!!I can think of few things that would cause me to unsub and/or lose interest in ESO right now but an Auction House would do it.
One of the best things about this game is (if you enjoy trading) the trader system. You actually have to work to find items, join the right guilds to sell them, etc. It requires effort. It's a game unto itself. And that's the problem for some folks I guess. They'd like a zero-effort gimme system that destroys what we have now, devalues literally every item in the game, all while making market manipulation 1000% easier. Just. so. they. don't. have. to. search.
I will NOT support an Auction House in ESO. Keep our system unique please.
another specious argument..... rich guilds do not control the markets.
that's guild traders.....guild traders are not the whole market. you do realize that you can sell your stuff anywhere anytime to anyone?
you don't have to be in a trade guild to trade - you don't have to be in a guild to trade.....
You do on console
let me get this straight....
you can't talk to other players on console?
really???
you bought into an mmo on a system that dosn't let you talk to other players?
an mmo? a massively multiplayer online game and you can't talk to other players???
/facepalm
and because of that you want to disrupt an economy that works perfectly well (and lets not overlook the fact that soon you will be able to talk to other players) because you use a system that is not fit for purpose?
your honour....
i rest my case.
snakester320 wrote: »Love the excuse of text chat is the other way to sell yeah dredge though a wall of text trying to sell or buy:) yeah smart!! whats the point of text chat on the pc or for console ( when it arrives ) if its just going to be a wall of WTS WTB spams!! so why not juts put a AH or market board join every thing together makes it easier less messy and fair for all!!
wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »But, they (real Zos employees), have stated live, on camera, in 2014, that, No, There will be no auction house. Ever. This was brought up again on ESO-Live 4/24/15 AuA segment. So no, we dont speak for Zos, But Zos has spoken. More than once.. There will be no auction house.. Ever,,,
There is Russian proverb "water splits rocks", so we will keep trying. If you are so sure, then there is no need to be agitated So far only hardcore traders voiced for the current system, and they go so far as threaten to break the game for the rest of the players if AH is implemented. Typical FUD tactics.
Does anyone else think we really, really should get a centralized auction house? It'd be just so much easier to find things.