aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »Hey I have a craft bag but I still don't win. What am I doing wrong OP?
CokeVoAYCE wrote: »seems a lot of people don't understand this.
pay to win includes: xp bonus, craft bags
pay to win is simply: subbing makes the game easier
Molag_Crow wrote: »I see different levels of the definition of 'pay to win.'
- Paying IRL cash for strong in-game armor, weapons, abilities/spells and stronger stats/damage than a free-to-play player.
- Paying IRL cash for materials and ingredients to craft the best armor/weapons (legendary) and paying for in-game gold and buying an instant max character level boost.
- Paying IRL cash for more XP (I'd say 20%+ is over the line, personally) more in-game gold earned from kills and quests, more flashy cosmetic effects/a symbol next to your name to show that you're a subscriber, faster mount speed and other perks such as teleportation etc.
- Paying IRL cash for a slight (10%(?)) XP, Gold, Reputation (inspiration) boost, access to DLCs, free costume dyes and an additional bag to put all of your crafting materials in, saving bag space to spend more time actually playing the game rather than playing the bank/vendor game, every so often.
I dont know whether this is p2w or not but I think ZoS is starting to make this game P2W !
CokeVoAYCE wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »I see different levels of the definition of 'pay to win.'
- Paying IRL cash for strong in-game armor, weapons, abilities/spells and stronger stats/damage than a free-to-play player.
- Paying IRL cash for materials and ingredients to craft the best armor/weapons (legendary) and paying for in-game gold and buying an instant max character level boost.
- Paying IRL cash for more XP (I'd say 20%+ is over the line, personally) more in-game gold earned from kills and quests, more flashy cosmetic effects/a symbol next to your name to show that you're a subscriber, faster mount speed and other perks such as teleportation etc.
- Paying IRL cash for a slight (10%(?)) XP, Gold, Reputation (inspiration) boost, access to DLCs, free costume dyes and an additional bag to put all of your crafting materials in, saving bag space to spend more time actually playing the game rather than playing the bank/vendor game, every so often.
exactly, that's my point. there's different degrees of pay to win, but it's still pay to win. most MMOs are pay to win, including ESO. the debate is on whether they're going or have gone too far pay to win. i'm just trying to point out that this game still is pay to win.
I dont think ZoS is completely P2W free. When IC came out, you had to pay so you could farm best monster set in the game for dps. When Orsinium came, out you had to pay so you can farm for best weapons in the game. You had to pay, so you could run MoL where you get best PvE gear. From my point of view this game is P2W to a degree.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, that one again!I dont think ZoS is completely P2W free. When IC came out, you had to pay so you could farm best monster set in the game for dps. When Orsinium came, out you had to pay so you can farm for best weapons in the game. You had to pay, so you could run MoL where you get best PvE gear. From my point of view this game is P2W to a degree.
CokeVoAYCE wrote: »seems a lot of people don't understand this.
pay to win is simply: subbing makes the game easier
pay for extra perks is: subbing for extra dyes, costumes, and other cosmetics
pay to win includes: xp bonus, craft bags
pay for harmless perks include anything that doesn't affect gameplay
so yes, that 10% bonus to xp is paying to win. i don't have much of a problem with it because it's only paying to make the game 10% easier which isn't that much. but i did have a problem with craft bags and the direction it looks like ESO's going.
CokeVoAYCE wrote: »seems a lot of people don't understand this.
pay to win is simply: subbing makes the game easier
pay for extra perks is: subbing for extra dyes, costumes, and other cosmetics
pay to win includes: xp bonus, craft bags
pay for harmless perks include anything that doesn't affect gameplay
so yes, that 10% bonus to xp is paying to win. i don't have much of a problem with it because it's only paying to make the game 10% easier which isn't that much. but i did have a problem with craft bags and the direction it looks like ESO's going.
CokeVoAYCE wrote: »i don't have any of the DLC so i can't get any of that fancy shmancy trial gear or whatever that vma stuff is.