Statement about cheating prevention is missing

InvitationNotFound · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

No need to make a new thread, they will lock this just keep comments in

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268218/zos-how-are-we-as-a-community-dealing-with-exploits-hacking/p1

that thread was used for everything. i was specifically looking for a statement from @ZOS_JessicaFolsom because i wasn't able to find one in said thread and couldn't find anything else in the forums.

i actually don't care if they lock this thread as long as they provide their statement.

and btw. it's pretty easy to create a new thread from time to time in case they keep "forgetting" to post a statement. people won't forget this issue

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

Tavore1138 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf - you may have good intentions but you are muddying the waters.

A very specific kind of cheating ws proven to be happening, one that involved using 3rd party hacking tools and the blatant ulti spamming was merely the most obvious symptom.

After at first ignoring it ZOS said they were taking action and as per the quote ftom @ZOS_JessicaFolsom they promised an update which has not been delivered, further reducing trust in the game and those running it.

We don't need details just a clear statement that they have, or will soon have, a proper way of detecting this type of cheating and stopping it... Whereas we see people getting bans lifted and no statements from a company seemingly hoping we'll just forget that any competitive aspect of this game is currently corrupted.

They also said leader boards would be purged and that has not happened either.

The cheating (exploiting) you speak of is not great but it is based on in game errors or people simply being bad... still annoying but on a very different level.

@Tavore1138
Its an all or none question the OP has.
I disagree that anything I've commented is muddying the waters - "Confuse the issue, as in Bringing up one irrelevant fact after another, he succeeded in muddying the waters."

As the topic is hoping to locate and understand ZOS' stance and see communication on how ZOS in the future will deal with cheating. A lot of what you write is pretty much the same as what I'm saying but I think we are both pointing out the lack of clarity and consistency as well as the absence of a stance.

I think we all just want the promised statement on hacking right now... that is a huge problem as it means you can't trust anything that happens so everyone suspects everyone else.

Eith exploits you can pretty much know if someone is abusing axe bleeds or something similar and their names become known as pathetic exploiters anyway.

So once hacking is fixed then we can worry about people who get their mates to roll alts on the other side or people who log onto another alliance to recover scrolls and so on.

@Tavore1138
Yes but that statement shouldn't be limited to one occurrence or situation as its irrelevant because behind the scenes actions have already occurred which is how those individuals were caught.

We are prob saying the same thing but Im just nitpicking words that change the meaning and intent...just in case someone official reads these comments.

We all just want the promised statement on "cheating" as a whole.
As a whole, cheating involves, third party software, hacking, exploits, abuse, and co-operative gains.

The stance has to address any and all possible as well as current issues conceivable. You don't make a stance and then come back later to address another known issue that falls under "cheating" cause you send the wrong message which is why this thread exists.

Its why I listed those other occurrences because they each have a ZOS acknowledgement but are all lacking ZOS' stance. Often, things are just cut off rather than having a stance and consistent practice attached

Tavore1138 · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf - you may have good intentions but you are muddying the waters.

A very specific kind of cheating ws proven to be happening, one that involved using 3rd party hacking tools and the blatant ulti spamming was merely the most obvious symptom.

After at first ignoring it ZOS said they were taking action and as per the quote ftom @ZOS_JessicaFolsom they promised an update which has not been delivered, further reducing trust in the game and those running it.

We don't need details just a clear statement that they have, or will soon have, a proper way of detecting this type of cheating and stopping it... Whereas we see people getting bans lifted and no statements from a company seemingly hoping we'll just forget that any competitive aspect of this game is currently corrupted.

They also said leader boards would be purged and that has not happened either.

The cheating (exploiting) you speak of is not great but it is based on in game errors or people simply being bad... still annoying but on a very different level.

@Tavore1138
Its an all or none question the OP has.
I disagree that anything I've commented is muddying the waters - "Confuse the issue, as in Bringing up one irrelevant fact after another, he succeeded in muddying the waters."

As the topic is hoping to locate and understand ZOS' stance and see communication on how ZOS in the future will deal with cheating. A lot of what you write is pretty much the same as what I'm saying but I think we are both pointing out the lack of clarity and consistency as well as the absence of a stance.

I think we all just want the promised statement on hacking right now... that is a huge problem as it means you can't trust anything that happens so everyone suspects everyone else.

Eith exploits you can pretty much know if someone is abusing axe bleeds or something similar and their names become known as pathetic exploiters anyway.

So once hacking is fixed then we can worry about people who get their mates to roll alts on the other side or people who log onto another alliance to recover scrolls and so on.

@Tavore1138
Yes but that statement shouldn't be limited to one occurrence or situation as its irrelevant because behind the scenes actions have already occurred which is how those individuals were caught.

We are prob saying the same thing but Im just nitpicking words that change the meaning and intent...just in case someone official reads these comments.

We all just want the promised statement on "cheating" as a whole.
As a whole, cheating involves, third party software, hacking, exploits, abuse, and co-operative gains.

The stance has to address any and all possible as well as current issues conceivable. You don't make a stance and then come back later to address another known issue that falls under "cheating" cause you send the wrong message which is why this thread exists.

Its why I listed those other occurrences because they each have a ZOS acknowledgement but are all lacking ZOS' stance. Often, things are just cut off rather than having a stance and consistent practice attached

I too have 'form' in the nitpicking area so fair enough... Lets hope that in their update on hacking they also clarify their broader position on all forms of cheating and exploiting?

Turelus · June 2016

I was going to give them at least a week before I asked where the statement was...

I am interested however. As we have said in the other threads and again here normally when something this large happens in an MMO you will have a member of staff come forward and talk about it and what's been done and being done for the future.

No actual information on how they catch people or the systems used (as to avoid giving people free information to work against it) but there should be something which lets us know the final outcome of this, what ZOS learnt from it and where it will be going in future.

As others have stated there are still a lot of worries on how the subtle use of the this particular issue is effecting the game.

ИВАН_ВОДКА · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

-AP gains by opposing alliance friends letting each other kill the other in Cyrodil over n over

@NewBlacksmurf its not a cheat
wear off your tinfoil or what you have there

its called "переливы" dunno how it will be on english
and its normal in pvp, and no need to fix/ban people who usng it
its a part of their gamelay and they choose to play like this

tal many times

I'd say it's cheating because you're exploiting the system to gain currency

exploit=using bugs
killing other people ana gain AP for this is not a bug

@NewBlacksmurf you didnt nothing about MMO-RPG
RTFM bacis terms pls

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

-AP gains by opposing alliance friends letting each other kill the other in Cyrodil over n over

@NewBlacksmurf its not a cheat
wear off your tinfoil or what you have there

its called "переливы" dunno how it will be on english
and its normal in pvp, and no need to fix/ban people who usng it
its a part of their gamelay and they choose to play like this

tal many times

I'd say it's cheating because you're exploiting the system to gain currency

exploit=using bugs
killing other people ana gain AP for this is not a bug

@NewBlacksmurf you didnt nothing about MMO-RPG
RTFM bacis terms pls

@ИВАН_ВОДКА
I didn't say it was a bug, but I did say its cheating because, it is and fits the definition.

Cheating is the broader term used when someone is exploiting something for gain. Exploiting is cheating.
Whether you want to use your own MMORPG ideas or a definition that widely accepted across all types of industries, players who intentionally go out to set up an opportunity to kill one another for the sole purpose of advancing and gaining AP, PvP skill lines are "cheating".

We aren't talking about PvP dueling which can also be considered boarder line exploiting because it provides AP and PvP skill line advancing.

They are co-operating in order to achieve a gain that is against the design. We can't talk to one another unless we are in a guild so if ppl are setting up stuff like this, its wrong regardless of anyone's opinion.
Now the good thing about it all is that ZOS has their own game so they get to define and communicate their stance on what is permitted, what isn't and what meets their definition of "cheating" where actions will be taken against the player or account holder.

thats what we all are asking for. What are the rules and consequences.

ИВАН_ВОДКА · June 2016

@NewBlacksmurf you are very not clever

google again what cheating is
all people who buy for cheap and sold for higher price also cheater by yout ridiculous terms

good luck

i just say you will never got banned for this or that, because its not a cheat to do so

GL HF ROFLMAO

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf you are very not clever

google again what cheating is
all people who buy for cheap and sold for higher price also cheater by yout ridiculous terms

good luck

i just say you will never got banned for this or that, because its not a cheat to do so

GL HF ROFLMAO

@ИВАН_ВОДКА
Cheating or ethical behavior is not defined by Google or any other company.
Perhaps that is where our disconnect in communication lies.

I hoped to provide a basis...

Lets stay away from suggesting things like me using "ridiculous terms" and "not being clever" and instead, please just say that you disagree and comment on why. I think that allows a better discussion vs attacking comments.

*Edit*
Buy as you comment "all people who buy for cheap and sold for higher price also cheater"

Technically yes that is correct because ethically buying for less and selling the same exact item for more unless its value or content has changed in between you acquiring the item, is unethical.

We aren't talking about someone who may harvest or work for something, and gather something in one state, and later prepare and distribute it in another state. But we are talking about those who intentionally buy something to later sale it for a higher price for their own gain.

Like people who purchase consoles or new tech and the retailer runs out of stock. Those buyers than turn around and list and resale for much higher on another vendor or platform.

Yeah that is cheating and can actually have legal implications.

bunnytrix · June 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

As the title states. I haven't seen anything official since it has been announced by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

quotes from the 31 May 2016:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.

In addition, we're working on a number of fixes and improvements to prevent this kind of behavior from happening in ESO in the future. We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow.

We want to thank everyone who has helped us identify those who would ruin your game experience by cheating, and the means by which they were doing so.

did i miss that post? in the thread where she posted the above statement isn't anything about their improvements and how they want to prevent cheating in the future.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom please provide more details as you promised.

@ Community: If i was simply blind and haven't seen the thread please provide a link here. thanks.

We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow.
That statement is what ? 5 days old now ?
Of course we have not heard anything else because that statement from Jessica is just damage control to quiet the uproar on the forum.
The cheating is still rampant and ZOS are doing nothing as usual.

Ch4mpTW · June 2016

I'm telling you now, this thread will probably be locked within 24hrs. or deleted. Trust me. Lol. The most you'll get out of it (if you're lucky) is 48hrs. And again, that's if you're lucky. . .

As for the topic at hand, you won't receiving statement. Lol. You as well as the rest of us will continue to be waiting, and months will have passed. Just watch. And if we do receive a "statement", it's gonna be generic and beat around the bush. Quote me on this. We're supposed to just forget about it, and leave it be. We have to remember, Zenimax isn't Blizzard. They're apples and oranges. Both fruits (MMO providers), but completely different. Blizzard? They don't care if you name and shame cheaters, exploiters, and hackers. And will even do so themselves as a company. Zenimax Online Studios? It's a taboo subject you're supposed to never mention, like those "certain events" you're never supposed to bring up at family gatherings.

Kahl_dur · June 2016

Wanting to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt (holiday weekend, Dark Brotherhood DLC, etc.), but we need the promised follow-up to Jessica's statement (long overdue at this point). I have to believe that ZOS is taking this seriously, but... the silence...

Ch4mpTW · June 2016

Kahl_dur wrote: »

Wanting to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt (holiday weekend, Dark Brotherhood DLC, etc.), but we need the promised follow-up to Jessica's statement (long overdue at this point). I have to believe that ZOS is taking this seriously, but... the silence...

Lol... You must be new around here. I feel for you. I really do. But stick around for a bit. Read some threads about foul play from malicious players made in the past, and that are relatively recent... Lmao. You'll get the picture reeeeeal soon.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm telling you now, this thread will probably be locked within 24hrs. or deleted. Trust me. Lol. The most you'll get out of it (if you're lucky) is 48hrs. And again, that's if you're lucky. . .

As for the topic at hand, you won't receiving statement. Lol. You as well as the rest of us will continue to be waiting, and months will have passed. Just watch. And if we do receive a "statement", it's gonna be generic and beat around the bush. Quote me on this. We're supposed to just forget about it, and leave it be. We have to remember, Zenimax isn't Blizzard. They're apples and oranges. Both fruits (MMO providers), but completely different. Blizzard? They don't care if you name and shame cheaters, exploiters, and hackers. And will even do so themselves as a company. Zenimax Online Studios? It's a taboo subject you're supposed to never mention, like those "certain events" you're never supposed to bring up at family gatherings.

@Ch4mpTW
You're prob right on the bolded part but I think its good for us to discuss it apart from the other thread which is much more specific to an isolated issue where this ask is broader in my reading.

Hopefully if this remains tame, they will allow the discussion to continue on the broader topic

ИВАН_ВОДКА · June 2016

@NewBlacksmurf
thats why you will never be banned for this

because no matter how you call this
you only know THE RESULT

but not THE REASON

the result of 10 duels where 1 side always loose is - more ap for the winner
the result for your group of 10 ppl always die an Lumber is - more ap for the winner
the result of your buying rubust cp160 agility ring for 50 gold is - you have gold profit

but you never can be sure about reasons
you can be sure but not on 100%
it was accidentally, luck of skill, missclick or special behaviour

you can now it for sure ONLY if you can go into the HEAD of other people and figure out what they thinking

so again stop post nonsense *** about things you dodnt know 100%

Kahl_dur · June 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Kahl_dur wrote: »

Wanting to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt (holiday weekend, Dark Brotherhood DLC, etc.), but we need the promised follow-up to Jessica's statement (long overdue at this point). I have to believe that ZOS is taking this seriously, but... the silence...

Lol... You must be new around here. I feel for you. I really do. But stick around for a bit. Read some threads about foul play from malicious players made in the past, and that are relatively recent... Lmao. You'll get the picture reeeeeal soon.

Not really new (here since Beta), but truthfully I am somewhat new to the PvP elements of the game (six months or so). During this time I've been trying to get gud and l2p. Really want a level playing field though, otherwise what's the point?

I don't expect ZOS to reveal exactly HOW they're dealing with cheaters, just to know that they have a system in place to deal with and permanently ban those using third-party software to ruin the game for everyone else. Obviously, a reactive system dependent on Community self-policing (turning in cheaters) won't, and doesn't work. ZOS needs a proactive approach IMO, and show that they truly care about this issue. Don't think this is too much to ask.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf
thats why you will never be banned for this

because no matter how you call this
you only know THE RESULT

but not THE REASON

the result of 10 duels where 1 side always loose is - more ap for the winner
the result for your group of 10 ppl always die an Lumber is - more ap for the winner
the result of your buying rubust cp160 agility ring for 50 gold is - you have gold profit

but you never can be sure about reasons
you can be sure but not on 100%
it was accidentally, luck of skill, missclick or special behaviour

you can now it for sure ONLY if you can go into the HEAD of other people and figure out what they thinking

so again stop post nonsense *** about things you dodnt know 100%

@ИВАН_ВОДКА
The results don't matter, its the action which fits the definition.

Cheating isn't defined by the results of an action but instead by the "intent" and the "action" based on circumstance.
People are knowingly making decisions where their intent is to gain where otherwise its not available or likely for (in this case, other players). When more and more players start to "cheat" the impact is greater but whether its 1 or 1,000 regardless of the outcome, its still cheating.

As results of some laws, players may not be subject to being banned, fined, or penalized but that doesn't change the fact that they are cheating.

Ch4mpTW · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm telling you now, this thread will probably be locked within 24hrs. or deleted. Trust me. Lol. The most you'll get out of it (if you're lucky) is 48hrs. And again, that's if you're lucky. . .

As for the topic at hand, you won't receiving statement. Lol. You as well as the rest of us will continue to be waiting, and months will have passed. Just watch. And if we do receive a "statement", it's gonna be generic and beat around the bush. Quote me on this. We're supposed to just forget about it, and leave it be. We have to remember, Zenimax isn't Blizzard. They're apples and oranges. Both fruits (MMO providers), but completely different. Blizzard? They don't care if you name and shame cheaters, exploiters, and hackers. And will even do so themselves as a company. Zenimax Online Studios? It's a taboo subject you're supposed to never mention, like those "certain events" you're never supposed to bring up at family gatherings.

@Ch4mpTW
You're prob right on the bolded part but I think its good for us to discuss it apart from the other thread which is much more specific to an isolated issue where this ask is broader in my reading.

Hopefully if this remains tame, they will allow the discussion to continue on the broader topic

@NewBlacksmurf
I always enjoy reading your posts, because you always bring solid and valid logic to the table. You're a thinker, and thus I value your words. You make sense of things, and think about things full 360 before posting. But peep game real quick, and let me 2-12 with you real fast...

What makes you think ZOS is gonna let this thread slide, when they have been recently shutting down any and all threads about topics involving exploiting and hacking? It doesn't matter if we are civil or not in this thread. They're gonna gonna perform damage control, and try to keep things hushed. It's incredibly healthy for us to have these discussions, as they provide food for thought. Civil debates (regardless of how numerous) are a nutrient to the mind, especially if they're relative and trending. But look. You don't go into the house to fight the house. Lol. You smell me? The house will win. Every time. Or a better analogy would be going into a casino, and expecting to win and outwit the house. They will win every time. And if they do mange to lose, best believe you're on their "list" and won't win again. You have to view it like that.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm telling you now, this thread will probably be locked within 24hrs. or deleted. Trust me. Lol. The most you'll get out of it (if you're lucky) is 48hrs. And again, that's if you're lucky. . .

As for the topic at hand, you won't receiving statement. Lol. You as well as the rest of us will continue to be waiting, and months will have passed. Just watch. And if we do receive a "statement", it's gonna be generic and beat around the bush. Quote me on this. We're supposed to just forget about it, and leave it be. We have to remember, Zenimax isn't Blizzard. They're apples and oranges. Both fruits (MMO providers), but completely different. Blizzard? They don't care if you name and shame cheaters, exploiters, and hackers. And will even do so themselves as a company. Zenimax Online Studios? It's a taboo subject you're supposed to never mention, like those "certain events" you're never supposed to bring up at family gatherings.

@Ch4mpTW
You're prob right on the bolded part but I think its good for us to discuss it apart from the other thread which is much more specific to an isolated issue where this ask is broader in my reading.

Hopefully if this remains tame, they will allow the discussion to continue on the broader topic

@NewBlacksmurf
I always enjoy reading your posts, because you always bring solid and valid logic to the table. You're a thinker, and thus I value your words. You make sense of things, and think about things full 360 before posting. But peep game real quick, and let me 2-12 with you real fast...

What makes you think ZOS is gonna let this thread slide, when they have been recently shutting down any and all threads about topics involving exploiting and hacking? It doesn't matter if we are civil or not in this thread. They're gonna gonna perform damage control, and try to keep things hushed. It's incredibly healthy for us to have these discussions, as they provide food for thought. Civil debates (regardless of how numerous) are a nutrient to the mind, especially if they're relative and trending. But look. You don't go into the house to fight the house. Lol. You smell me? The house will win. Every time. Or a better analogy would be going into a casino, and expecting to win and outwit the house. They will win every time. And if they do mange to lose, best believe you're on their "list" and won't win again. You have to view it like that.

@Ch4mpTW
....what makes me think they will let it slide....

*I guess I need to not reply as the logic response may get this locked

check your PMs

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm telling you now, this thread will probably be locked within 24hrs. or deleted. Trust me. Lol. The most you'll get out of it (if you're lucky) is 48hrs. And again, that's if you're lucky. . .

As for the topic at hand, you won't receiving statement. Lol. You as well as the rest of us will continue to be waiting, and months will have passed. Just watch. And if we do receive a "statement", it's gonna be generic and beat around the bush. Quote me on this. We're supposed to just forget about it, and leave it be. We have to remember, Zenimax isn't Blizzard. They're apples and oranges. Both fruits (MMO providers), but completely different. Blizzard? They don't care if you name and shame cheaters, exploiters, and hackers. And will even do so themselves as a company. Zenimax Online Studios? It's a taboo subject you're supposed to never mention, like those "certain events" you're never supposed to bring up at family gatherings.

@Ch4mpTW
You're prob right on the bolded part but I think its good for us to discuss it apart from the other thread which is much more specific to an isolated issue where this ask is broader in my reading.

Hopefully if this remains tame, they will allow the discussion to continue on the broader topic

@NewBlacksmurf
I always enjoy reading your posts, because you always bring solid and valid logic to the table. You're a thinker, and thus I value your words. You make sense of things, and think about things full 360 before posting. But peep game real quick, and let me 2-12 with you real fast...

What makes you think ZOS is gonna let this thread slide, when they have been recently shutting down any and all threads about topics involving exploiting and hacking? It doesn't matter if we are civil or not in this thread. They're gonna gonna perform damage control, and try to keep things hushed. It's incredibly healthy for us to have these discussions, as they provide food for thought. Civil debates (regardless of how numerous) are a nutrient to the mind, especially if they're relative and trending. But look. You don't go into the house to fight the house. Lol. You smell me? The house will win. Every time. Or a better analogy would be going into a casino, and expecting to win and outwit the house. They will win every time. And if they do mange to lose, best believe you're on their "list" and won't win again. You have to view it like that.

@Ch4mpTW
....what makes me think they will let it slide....

*I guess I need to not reply as the logic response may get this locked

check your PMs

InvitationNotFound · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm telling you now, this thread will probably be locked within 24hrs. or deleted. Trust me. Lol. The most you'll get out of it (if you're lucky) is 48hrs. And again, that's if you're lucky. . .

As for the topic at hand, you won't receiving statement. Lol. You as well as the rest of us will continue to be waiting, and months will have passed. Just watch. And if we do receive a "statement", it's gonna be generic and beat around the bush. Quote me on this. We're supposed to just forget about it, and leave it be. We have to remember, Zenimax isn't Blizzard. They're apples and oranges. Both fruits (MMO providers), but completely different. Blizzard? They don't care if you name and shame cheaters, exploiters, and hackers. And will even do so themselves as a company. Zenimax Online Studios? It's a taboo subject you're supposed to never mention, like those "certain events" you're never supposed to bring up at family gatherings.

@Ch4mpTW
You're prob right on the bolded part but I think its good for us to discuss it apart from the other thread which is much more specific to an isolated issue where this ask is broader in my reading.

Hopefully if this remains tame, they will allow the discussion to continue on the broader topic

@NewBlacksmurf
I always enjoy reading your posts, because you always bring solid and valid logic to the table. You're a thinker, and thus I value your words. You make sense of things, and think about things full 360 before posting. But peep game real quick, and let me 2-12 with you real fast...

What makes you think ZOS is gonna let this thread slide, when they have been recently shutting down any and all threads about topics involving exploiting and hacking? It doesn't matter if we are civil or not in this thread. They're gonna gonna perform damage control, and try to keep things hushed. It's incredibly healthy for us to have these discussions, as they provide food for thought. Civil debates (regardless of how numerous) are a nutrient to the mind, especially if they're relative and trending. But look. You don't go into the house to fight the house. Lol. You smell me? The house will win. Every time. Or a better analogy would be going into a casino, and expecting to win and outwit the house. They will win every time. And if they do mange to lose, best believe you're on their "list" and won't win again. You have to view it like that.

@Ch4mpTW
....what makes me think they will let it slide....

*I guess I need to not reply as the logic response may get this locked

check your PMs

i would love to join that news letter as well, where can i sign up? :P

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · June 2016

We made a follow-up statement the day after the first one, as promised, though it looks like I didn't add it to the Dev Tracker. Sorry about that, everyone. >.< I just added it. You can find the post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3030232/#Comment_3030232

The post didn't include a huge amount of new details, but it did reiterate our stance and what we've done, and touched on the fact that we do have a larger effort and longer-term plans that are in the works. We're being a bit vague on what those are on purpose, but not to cause frustration - we don't want to give cheaters and those who create cheat tools any further insight that would allow them to continue doing what they're doing.

Thanks for helping us keep ESO free of cheaters by continuing to report any potential cheaters you run across.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

@Ch4mpTW

see how that works out

Nifty2g · June 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We made a follow-up statement the day after the first one, as promised, though it looks like I didn't add it to the Dev Tracker. Sorry about that, everyone. >.< I just added it. You can find the post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3030232/#Comment_3030232

The post didn't include a huge amount of new details, but it did reiterate our stance and what we've done, and touched on the fact that we do have a larger effort and longer-term plans that are in the works. We're being a bit vague on what those are on purpose, but not to cause frustration - we don't want to give cheaters and those who create cheat tools any further insight that would allow them to continue doing what they're doing.

Thanks for helping us keep ESO free of cheaters by continuing to report any potential cheaters you run across.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I'm just curious, does this mean that people can still access the tool that was used to do these cheats and have access to playing with them in ESO?

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We made a follow-up statement the day after the first one, as promised, though it looks like I didn't add it to the Dev Tracker. Sorry about that, everyone. >.< I just added it. You can find the post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3030232/#Comment_3030232

The post didn't include a huge amount of new details, but it did reiterate our stance and what we've done, and touched on the fact that we do have a larger effort and longer-term plans that are in the works. We're being a bit vague on what those are on purpose, but not to cause frustration - we don't want to give cheaters and those who create cheat tools any further insight that would allow them to continue doing what they're doing.

Thanks for helping us keep ESO free of cheaters by continuing to report any potential cheaters you run across.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Just to be clear tho..cause the link loops us back to the quoted OP comment. is there something more that the link isn't directing us to?
In context the OP and a later comment contains all of this but I tthink the question is:

"we’ve adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems in response, and have taken action against every account we’ve found cheating, including permanent bans for 43 accounts with more are under investigation.

Our actions this weekend were part of a larger ongoing effort to remove cheaters from ESO. With today's patch, we included some server-side adjustments to address the cheat behavior, and will continue to monitor and action against those players who are caught cheating."

Is that it?

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

They're using the assassin <Remain Silent> conversation option

Robbmrp · June 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We made a follow-up statement the day after the first one, as promised, though it looks like I didn't add it to the Dev Tracker. Sorry about that, everyone. >.< I just added it. You can find the post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3030232/#Comment_3030232

The post didn't include a huge amount of new details, but it did reiterate our stance and what we've done, and touched on the fact that we do have a larger effort and longer-term plans that are in the works. We're being a bit vague on what those are on purpose, but not to cause frustration - we don't want to give cheaters and those who create cheat tools any further insight that would allow them to continue doing what they're doing.

Thanks for helping us keep ESO free of cheaters by continuing to report any potential cheaters you run across.

I couldn't agree with that decision more. Why make it easy for those who want to cheat their way through the game. Those that create those programs deserve perma-bans from the game. Let them go ruin something else.

Cuyler · June 2016

Typical response. Nothing to see here.

Edit: @ZOS_JessicaFolsom What I think people want to hear ZOS say is that it's taken steps so that Cheat Engine (and programs like it) are no longer able to be used in conjunction with this game. Until you come out with an official statement of this nature, player/customer confidence in your product will continue to be next to zero.

Atm ZOS's official statements are not reassuring considering most of your "longer term" goals rarely come to fruition, if at all.

Let me put this to you how it is, there are players out there, who deliberately and maliciously want to make fools out of your company and your product by cheating this game. You must take a more aggressive approach to these cheaters and quit with the beat around the bush PR crap. Reassure us in the most direct way possible this is being handled with resolve. We don't want to hear this will all happen longer term, and I can assure you banning no less than 100 people doesn't even begin to scratch the iceberg on this.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2016

Honestly, all I want is a simple yes or no to the following 2 questions:

1. Is there a system in place that allows you to find and ban those who use cheats in a subtle way (and thus are not reported as frequently as meteor spammers)?

2. Are you actually permabanning those people?

I don't need details or specifics. Just a straight answer as to whether or not ESO currently has the bare minimum of anticheat protection and policy needed in an online game.

Ch4mpTW · June 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We made a follow-up statement the day after the first one, as promised, though it looks like I didn't add it to the Dev Tracker. Sorry about that, everyone. >.< I just added it. You can find the post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3030232/#Comment_3030232

The post didn't include a huge amount of new details, but it did reiterate our stance and what we've done, and touched on the fact that we do have a larger effort and longer-term plans that are in the works. We're being a bit vague on what those are on purpose, but not to cause frustration - we don't want to give cheaters and those who create cheat tools any further insight that would allow them to continue doing what they're doing.

Thanks for helping us keep ESO free of cheaters by continuing to report any potential cheaters you run across.

You mean this?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

As those of you in this thread know, over this past weekend we saw an influx in players using third-party software tools to cheat in ESO and reports about this behavior. We posted yesterday that we’ve adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems in response, and have taken action against every account we’ve found cheating, including permanent bans for 43 accounts with more are under investigation.

Our actions this weekend were part of a larger ongoing effort to remove cheaters from ESO. With today's patch, we included some server-side adjustments to address the cheat behavior, and will continue to monitor and action against those players who are caught cheating.

Once again, we want to thank everyone who helped us identify the players who were using cheats.

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. . . . . . . What does that answer exactly? What changes were made specifically? What was done to fix the damaged leaderboards? What was truly done, as people are reporting that there are still people cheating. There were also reports of some of the people who were initially banned permanently are now roaming around again, only days later... So what really is going on?

Please talk with us. We are your consumers. We are the people lacing your pockets, so please work with us better. Don't work against us, but with us. I like you @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, unlike some of the forums here on the forums. But please communicate better with us. Please. I beg you. Not even for our sake, but for your sakes. Or else the complaints will rise and rise, and these forums will become even more toxic. M'kay? And you don't have to take my word for it. Just peep all the threads that circulate through these forums day in and day out. Yo Gotti made a song that said, "Women lie, men lie, but numbers don't lie." And numbers clearly don't lie in this situation either. There's more negativity in these forums than positive, and the root of it 9x out of 10 is communication. So please. Please try to be more in tune with us, alright?

Edit:
And please try to not use things as an example that say nothing, just to say something. For example, there was a guy on ESO Live who showed this chart or graph that explained absolutely nothing. Nor showed anything. It was the most ridiculous graph I had ever seen, that supposedly was supposed to show lag or ping or something like that in certain areas. But it was instead awkwardly empty. Even though it had supposed data on it, it was incredibly vague.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We made a follow-up statement the day after the first one, as promised, though it looks like I didn't add it to the Dev Tracker. Sorry about that, everyone. >.< I just added it. You can find the post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3030232/#Comment_3030232

The post didn't include a huge amount of new details, but it did reiterate our stance and what we've done, and touched on the fact that we do have a larger effort and longer-term plans that are in the works. We're being a bit vague on what those are on purpose, but not to cause frustration - we don't want to give cheaters and those who create cheat tools any further insight that would allow them to continue doing what they're doing.

Thanks for helping us keep ESO free of cheaters by continuing to report any potential cheaters you run across.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I'm just curious, does this mean that people can still access the tool that was used to do these cheats and have access to playing with them in ESO?

I can answer this for you: yes.