Devs: for the love of all things holy rethink this poison path you are forcing the game down.

Forcing? Of course you are with the degree of effects. It will only take a couple of players to see these effects, then there will be a mass rush to be the next poison dispenser in pvp.

Then forget about individual class skills, forget about skilled game play, just go around spamming poisons onto every target in range - while they do exactly the same thing to every target in their range - and so on.

This is simply not the way to progress a mature mmo, with wild swings to the game play environment, followed by even wilder ones.

You have in your hands a fantastic environment, The Elder Scrolls, built through sequences of editions. They contained lore, excitement, role play and above all interest variety.

All you are doing here is back benching these ideals in favour of a single alchemy path to resource reduction. How poor is this? Where is the variety,? Where is the imagination? Where is the class creativity? Where is the differentiation?

I urge you to stop now, take a step back and think how you can make this DLC so much better.
Lose this everyone does the same mentality - this is not a single player game, it is an mmo with hoped for significant differences in 'best' skills for each class. This ideal format is so far removed from the me too poisons dispenser road you are driving down.

Ok, this is your game. But you have been given responsibility for a game legacy - The Elder Scrolls - and you are in real danger of turning this legacy into one which history will sadly shake it's head at.

Nothing in development is too late to change, even if that puts a schedule back. I urge you to stop, and think how you could do things so much better.
Move away from this everyone doing the same alchemy spam, and produce truly creative and, most importantly, distinctive and effective individual class features.

Otherwise this focus on poison may turn out unwittingly to be an entirely accurate description of this DLC:- Poison - but not in the way you intended.

Can we please get a new quickslot wheel dedicated for poisons so that it is easy/quick to change between different poisons, and turn poisons off and on and not waste them? It requires valuable time in PVP to change or disable/enable a desired poison.

When in PVP, it would be helpful to be able to quickly equip a specific poison when encountering an enemy by using a quickslot wheel, in the same way that you can equip a potion using the existing quickslot wheel. A dedicated quickslot wheel for poisons would be great. It could be used to equip a poison for your equipped weapon.

How about it @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

ckbud wrote: »

Can we please get a new quickslot wheel dedicated for poisons so that it is easy/quick to change between different poisons, and turn poisons off and on and not waste them? It requires valuable time in PVP to change or disable/enable a desired poison.

When in PVP, it would be helpful to be able to quickly equip a specific poison when encountering an enemy by using a quickslot wheel, in the same way that you can equip a potion using the existing quickslot wheel. A dedicated quickslot wheel for poisons would be great. It could be used to equip a poison for your equipped weapon.

How about it @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

I doubt you will get any quick-change for poisons. Their key element is DECISIONS - which do you slot to use etc. So rapid decision changes in combat for equip poisons isn't likely in the cards. Slots what you think will be best for this enemy and then see if you are right. Got it right - good edge. Got it wrong - uh oh.

makes "scouting" an enemy more beneficial.

Can we get a poison purge potion please.

With no "poison break" the same way as we get CC break, it does not matter whether one person gets the cooldown for ten seconds and can't apply another poison during that time. The victim of the poison does NOT get any relief from poisons coming from other people. And that's the crucial part.

Just even consider having to use purge multiple times within ten seconds with cost increase. Purge only removes two effects, if you're marked (places THREE effects on you), have velocious curse on you and a couple of poisons, all you'll be doing is purging. And that's not cheap. While you also aren't using other skills instead of that purging. But hey, numbers are supposed to matter so whatever...

Does the stamina cost increase poison increase the cost of dodgeroll or cc break? The tooltip reads abilities, but I'm not sure. If it impacts dodge and cc break, then these poisons are even more of an issue. One of the things people keep saying is they are happy because of the dilution. But if it impacts dodgeroll and cc break, why would you run anything but an increase stam poison for the full duration? A dodgeroll and cc break and your opponent will be out of Stam.

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Dubhliam No I meant a potion that specifically purges poison effects, like an antidote. the potion would do nothing else, just that.

Why? Potions have a 45 sec cooldown. Whereas poisons have 10 sec cooldowns. Skills like Purge have no CD.

STEVIL wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

With no "poison break" the same way as we get CC break, it does not matter whether one person gets the cooldown for ten seconds and can't apply another poison during that time. The victim of the poison does NOT get any relief from poisons coming from other people. And that's the crucial part.

Just even consider having to use purge multiple times within ten seconds with cost increase. Purge only removes two effects, if you're marked (places THREE effects on you), have velocious curse on you and a couple of poisons, all you'll be doing is purging. And that's not cheap. While you also aren't using other skills instead of that purging. But hey, numbers are supposed to matter so whatever...

Exactly and since poisons proc 100% of the time this is eas.... wait.... no they proc only 20%?

purge removes 2 every time.

You seem to think poisons will exceed that...k

that means by elementary school math we have about 5 attackers on one guy hitting every time to get an average of three effects (attackers must have different effects or some procs will be wasted so not always getting sta red)

How long do you normally expect to stand against 5 hitting constantly?

Seems lucky they aren't just burning you down with attacks boosted by 3-4x powered enchants and 2-4 sec cooldowns for those.

Sky is definitely falling... no wait that may just be sunset.

Poisons can have more than 1 effect, your'll likely be snared as everything has a snare, there so many effects that you'll have to purge at least twice before you'll actually purge the poison, like someone said if your marked thats 3 effects, lotus fan is a dot + snare. Fear is a snare + minor maim etc... you get the picture.

Poisons are going to be stupidly strong.

Just another consumable to keep up with in PVE, and a major detriment to PVP (makes 1vXing significantly harder, when it's already difficult to do now.) Please don't add poisons in, as all they'll do is make it harder to compete in Cyrodiil as a solo player or in a small group and require players to grind even more to stay competitive in both PVE and PVP.

A purge or antidote potion could have a duration during which it negated or reduced a poisons effect.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

With no "poison break" the same way as we get CC break, it does not matter whether one person gets the cooldown for ten seconds and can't apply another poison during that time. The victim of the poison does NOT get any relief from poisons coming from other people. And that's the crucial part.

Just even consider having to use purge multiple times within ten seconds with cost increase. Purge only removes two effects, if you're marked (places THREE effects on you), have velocious curse on you and a couple of poisons, all you'll be doing is purging. And that's not cheap. While you also aren't using other skills instead of that purging. But hey, numbers are supposed to matter so whatever...

Exactly and since poisons proc 100% of the time this is eas.... wait.... no they proc only 20%?

purge removes 2 every time.

You seem to think poisons will exceed that...k

that means by elementary school math we have about 5 attackers on one guy hitting every time to get an average of three effects (attackers must have different effects or some procs will be wasted so not always getting sta red)

How long do you normally expect to stand against 5 hitting constantly?

Seems lucky they aren't just burning you down with attacks boosted by 3-4x powered enchants and 2-4 sec cooldowns for those.

Sky is definitely falling... no wait that may just be sunset.

Poisons can have more than 1 effect, your'll likely be snared as everything has a snare, there so many effects that you'll have to purge at least twice before you'll actually purge the poison, like someone said if your marked thats 3 effects, lotus fan is a dot + snare. Fear is a snare + minor maim etc... you get the picture.

Poisons are going to be stupidly strong.

Math is not evefyones strength but i used three effect poisons as the base for my 5 attackers yielding 3 net effects.

STEVIL wrote: »

ckbud wrote: »

Can we please get a new quickslot wheel dedicated for poisons so that it is easy/quick to change between different poisons, and turn poisons off and on and not waste them? It requires valuable time in PVP to change or disable/enable a desired poison.

When in PVP, it would be helpful to be able to quickly equip a specific poison when encountering an enemy by using a quickslot wheel, in the same way that you can equip a potion using the existing quickslot wheel. A dedicated quickslot wheel for poisons would be great. It could be used to equip a poison for your equipped weapon.

How about it @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

I doubt you will get any quick-change for poisons. Their key element is DECISIONS - which do you slot to use etc. So rapid decision changes in combat for equip poisons isn't likely in the cards. Slots what you think will be best for this enemy and then see if you are right. Got it right - good edge. Got it wrong - uh oh.

makes "scouting" an enemy more beneficial.

lol how? you make up a scenario that perhaps exist in duels, in open world people will just run drain magicka and drain stamina if you meet multible enemies you will just be out of resources and only numbers will matter.... are you playing the same game than us?

purge will not remove all poisons on avarage you realize you get hit by multible other status changing effects all the time?
all the armor breaches slows roots dots and so on.

Templars will be alright as they can spam Purifying Ritual but other classes especially stamina will be affected greatly as Purge is really expensive. Honestly ZOS get rid of these stupid poisons.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

With no "poison break" the same way as we get CC break, it does not matter whether one person gets the cooldown for ten seconds and can't apply another poison during that time. The victim of the poison does NOT get any relief from poisons coming from other people. And that's the crucial part.

Just even consider having to use purge multiple times within ten seconds with cost increase. Purge only removes two effects, if you're marked (places THREE effects on you), have velocious curse on you and a couple of poisons, all you'll be doing is purging. And that's not cheap. While you also aren't using other skills instead of that purging. But hey, numbers are supposed to matter so whatever...

Exactly and since poisons proc 100% of the time this is eas.... wait.... no they proc only 20%?

purge removes 2 every time.

You seem to think poisons will exceed that...k

that means by elementary school math we have about 5 attackers on one guy hitting every time to get an average of three effects (attackers must have different effects or some procs will be wasted so not always getting sta red)

How long do you normally expect to stand against 5 hitting constantly?

Seems lucky they aren't just burning you down with attacks boosted by 3-4x powered enchants and 2-4 sec cooldowns for those.

Sky is definitely falling... no wait that may just be sunset.

Poisons can have more than 1 effect, your'll likely be snared as everything has a snare, there so many effects that you'll have to purge at least twice before you'll actually purge the poison, like someone said if your marked thats 3 effects, lotus fan is a dot + snare. Fear is a snare + minor maim etc... you get the picture.

Poisons are going to be stupidly strong.

Math is not evefyones strength but i used three effect poisons as the base for my 5 attackers yielding 3 net effects.

But the point was your assuming poison is going to be the only affect. Purge can only remove up to 2 affects at a time. Your ignoring other effects that purge will remove, this is snares, minor main, defile, burning, freezing, paralysis , any dots from the numerous sources in the game.

With 5 people you can easily assume they'll at least have 1 affect they'll naturally cause in there rotation. A lotus fan will snare + put a dot on you, if they manage to poison you then you will have to purge 3 times to get rid of all the affects.

Crit charge with a maelstrom 2h axe will put 2x dots on you. If your feared you will have minor maim + snare on you.

What i was saying, if you actually read it, was that to even purge 1 poison on you you'll have to purge the other effects on you first.

If someone gets a 60% increase cost on you as well as a root, your dead. By the time you get through the numerous other effects to actually get rid of the poison. E.g. The snare your 99% likely going to have, the numerous dots etc... you would of used purge at least 3 times. Purge isn't cheap, especially with a 60% increase cost.

I'd appreciate it if you actually read and understood it this time instead of trying to be sarcastic and failing at basic elementary spelling at the same time.

Reading comprehension isn't for everyone.

THIS GUY commenting on someone's spelling and getting two awesomes for it.

evefyone is an obvious typo unlike any of your spelling mistakes.

ginoboehm wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

ckbud wrote: »

Can we please get a new quickslot wheel dedicated for poisons so that it is easy/quick to change between different poisons, and turn poisons off and on and not waste them? It requires valuable time in PVP to change or disable/enable a desired poison.

When in PVP, it would be helpful to be able to quickly equip a specific poison when encountering an enemy by using a quickslot wheel, in the same way that you can equip a potion using the existing quickslot wheel. A dedicated quickslot wheel for poisons would be great. It could be used to equip a poison for your equipped weapon.

How about it @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

I doubt you will get any quick-change for poisons. Their key element is DECISIONS - which do you slot to use etc. So rapid decision changes in combat for equip poisons isn't likely in the cards. Slots what you think will be best for this enemy and then see if you are right. Got it right - good edge. Got it wrong - uh oh.

makes "scouting" an enemy more beneficial.

lol how? you make up a scenario that perhaps exist in duels, in open world people will just run drain magicka and drain stamina if you meet multible enemies you will just be out of resources and only numbers will matter.... are you playing the same game than us?

purge will not remove all poisons on avarage you realize you get hit by multible other status changing effects all the time?
all the armor breaches slows roots dots and so on.

Even THIS car:

can spell better than you.