Who actually wants those poisons?

ginoboehm

DocFrost72

Meh, will stop roll dodge spam/shield spam at least.

imredneckson

Yes. I want those poisons and they are good for PvP.

ginoboehm wrote: »

Damn it! I clicked the wrong button -_-

ginoboehm

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Meh, will stop roll dodge spam/shield spam at least.

yes and every fight will be now : who has the bigger numbers and can apply more poisons to the enemies

Soris

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Nope.

Armitas

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

So if I'm in light armor and I get CC'd with stam poison on...my break free is going to cost 60% moar?

bloodenragedb14_ESO

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

just remove the drain stuff, this is literally the first time ive seen a poison in the TES series act as a 'absorb' spell, and thats driving this lore nut insane

ginoboehm

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Armitas wrote: »

So if I'm in light armor and I get CC'd with stam poison on...my break free is going to cost 60% moar?

yes. same for block and stuff. you need like 1200+ stam rec just to break free with them more than twice

DDuke

ginoboehm wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

So if I'm in light armor and I get CC'd with stam poison on...my break free is going to cost 60% moar?

yes. same for block and stuff. you need like 1200+ stam rec just to break free with them more than twice

Actually, stamina cost increasing poison affects only stamina abilities - break free, block & roll dodge costs remain unchanged by it.


As to the topic, I wish there was a "Yes and No" option - these poisons are going to end the endless duels, which is very, very good (especially considering the upcoming arenas/BGs) - but in 1vX they're going to be a pain in the arse.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes. I want those poisons and they are good for PvP.

I want poison's but i don't want the one's that increase resource's. They have to short of a duration for me in my opinion. Unchained cp passive already give's players 80% reduced stamina cost for 3 second's after cc breaking.

I'd much rather poison's that do the following:

-Deal damage
-Create Vulnerability
-Prevent player's from going invisible/stealth
-HoT
-DoT

Everyone's so fixated on the drain resource poison's when they are not the one's i'm even worried about (they are still very good). It's the one's that give you more potenail burst from stealth that i'm worried about. I for one will be using the bursty poison's for ganking, who care's about resource's when you just dropped 100 to 0.

Since poison's are so expensive anyway's, i most likely won't be using them all the time. I pretty much will use them exclusively for ganking purposes.

ginoboehm

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I want poison's but i don't want the one's that increase resource's. They have to short of a duration for me in my opinion. Unchained cp passive already give's players 80% reduced stamina cost for 3 second's.

I'd much rather poison's that do the following:

-Deal damage
-Create Vulnerability
-Prevent player's from going invisible/stealth
-HoT
-DoT

Everyone's so fixated on the drain resource poison's when they are not the one's i'm even worried about. It's the one's that give you more potenail burst from stealth that i'm worried about. I for one will be using the bursty poison's.

so you klicked yes you want those poisons to go live but actually you want them changed before they go live like i wrote in option 2?

Armitas

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

DDuke wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

So if I'm in light armor and I get CC'd with stam poison on...my break free is going to cost 60% moar?

yes. same for block and stuff. you need like 1200+ stam rec just to break free with them more than twice

Actually, stamina cost increasing poison affects only stamina abilities - break free, block & roll dodge costs remain unchanged by it.

phew thank goodness for that.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes. I want those poisons and they are good for PvP.

@ginoboehm I want poison's to go live yes. They create a new dynamic to the game. They seem fun and interesting. Sure the resource poisons may need to be toned down but i'm more interested in the other poisons.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

What ever poisons become FOTM will be mandatory to run in PvP to stay competitive.

Larger groups will be able to lock down smaller ones even more by spamming poisons on one person. I'm surprised everyone that likes 1vX (that still plays this game) isn't speaking more about this. Inb4 1vX is dead or 1vX is fine.

I don't see poisons adding a positive element in PvP gameplay or increasing the skill ceiling. I see everyone collectively deciding what poison is best and then you have to run that because everyone else is running it.

The people that ruin the economy by speculating and price manipulation are going to have a field day with this.

Vaoh

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

I could write about a ton of issues regarding the state of Poisons right now, but I think the three words below can sum up what balance changes need to be made.

Use. Common. Sense.

Firerock2

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

They are going to kill the non CP campaign

Armitas

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

What if...rather than starting at 60% and moving down if it's too much....we....you know....start at 30% and move up if it's too little?

Rohamad_Ali

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

I just don't want them in PvP . PvE all ya like with em .

DocFrost72

DDuke wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

So if I'm in light armor and I get CC'd with stam poison on...my break free is going to cost 60% moar?

yes. same for block and stuff. you need like 1200+ stam rec just to break free with them more than twice

Actually, stamina cost increasing poison affects only stamina abilities - break free, block & roll dodge costs remain unchanged by it.


As to the topic, I wish there was a "Yes and No" option - these poisons are going to end the endless duels, which is very, very good (especially considering the upcoming arenas/BGs) - but in 1vX they're going to be a pain in the arse.

Didn't know dodge roll and block were not considered. Imo, they should be...but that is neither here nor there to the topic.

As for the "death" of 1vX...I'm meh about this anyway, I don't and can't 1vX, and won't be running poisons. Don't need them to kill.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Firerock2 wrote: »

They are going to kill the non CP campaign

I would love it if they disabled poisons in BWB and Azuras.

Personofsecrets

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

It is amazing how the development team can produce flop after flop.

Jazbay_Grape

Yes. I want those poisons and they are good for PvP.

I want them, but I don't live long enough in PVP for them to matter. Sound ok in theory though.

Lucius_Aelius

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

I certainly like the idea of poisons and want them in the game, but I don't think they should be so strong or overwrite Weapon Enchantments. I think the poisons should be significantly reduced in their effectiveness, and increased in either their effect duration, how long they stay aplied to your weapon per application, or both (and of course have them work alongside Weapon Enchantments, each proccing independently of the other without one stopping the other from activating).

Teridaxus

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Was looking forward it until they went full nuts on their stats...
seriously i actually expect 90% drain poison with 2.4.4 tommorow lol

Cathexis

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Personofsecrets wrote: »

It is amazing how the development team can produce flop after flop.

QFT. Its like they want people to feel a strong urge to punch them in the nuts or something. I don't get it.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Personofsecrets wrote: »

It is amazing how the development team can produce flop after flop.

It's not just flop after flop. Its the stubborn insistence to push ahead against the will of their playerbase. To push whatever is tested on PTS out on live while seeming to ignore the statements of people actually telling the developers the problems they find.

Minalan

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Firerock2 wrote: »

They are going to kill the non CP campaign

I would love it if they disabled poisons in BWB and Azuras.

This would actually give more incentive for people to play on Azuras, which is usually low population to begin with.

Cathexis wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

It is amazing how the development team can produce flop after flop.

QFT. Its like they want people to feel a strong urge to punch them in the nuts or something. I don't get it.

Must...not...comment....so... difficult.

khele23eb17_ESO

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I want poison's but i don't want the one's that increase resource's. They have to short of a duration for me in my opinion. Unchained cp passive already give's players 80% reduced stamina cost for 3 second's after cc breaking.

I'd much rather poison's that do the following:

-Prevent player's from going invisible/stealth

Well then to be fair I want them to prevent players from shielding and healing.

itscompton

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I want poison's but i don't want the one's that increase resource's. They have to short of a duration for me in my opinion. Unchained cp passive already give's players 80% reduced stamina cost for 3 second's after cc breaking.

I'd much rather poison's that do the following:

-Prevent player's from going invisible/stealth

Well then to be fair I want them to prevent players from shielding and healing.

Well to be fair there are already tons of options to reduce healing, which is the Templar equivalent of going stealth or putting up shields.

khele23eb17_ESO

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

itscompton wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I want poison's but i don't want the one's that increase resource's. They have to short of a duration for me in my opinion. Unchained cp passive already give's players 80% reduced stamina cost for 3 second's after cc breaking.

I'd much rather poison's that do the following:

-Prevent player's from going invisible/stealth

Well then to be fair I want them to prevent players from shielding and healing.

Well to be fair there are already tons of options to reduce healing, which is the Templar equivalent of going stealth or putting up shields.

Yes, to reduce. Not prevent.

At this point Id rather they removed cloak and gave NBs a defensive skill that actually works (apparently you can currently track cloaked NBs using floating combat text -_-) and isnt turned off by a single key press by other players.

Rakkul

No. do some more work and make them actually balanced or drop them totally

Just ridiculous.

Run out of ideas on individual class skills, so now it's chemist v chemist.

How bad has this got, where the innovative changes are spamming consumables instead of class abilities.
Just obvious evidence that the ideas train has left the station.