Has Dark Brotherhood had enough time to be BETA tested? Is it ready to be officially released?

Abeille · May 2016

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Taisynn wrote: »

I can see everyone's points. I'm just worried about the lag... The potential added issues.

And gosh darn it that new ugly UI needs to go.

I really hate the UI changes, too. I am hoping addons will be able to hide all the unnecessary clutter, or at least other people's @name.

Taisynn · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Abeille wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

I can see everyone's points. I'm just worried about the lag... The potential added issues.

And gosh darn it that new ugly UI needs to go.

I really hate the UI changes, too. I am hoping addons will be able to hide all the unnecessary clutter, or at least other people's @name.

I just wish they'd inplement the option to turn certain parts on and off. While I don't care if other people see my @Name, I really don't care to see theirs. And if I'm in PVE, I really don't care how many CP's they have. I love minimalist UI's. It's too easy to get sensory overload with too many things on the screen.

Taleof2Cities · May 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Impossible to give it a thorough going over with the paltry number of people on PTS. Doubly so in PVP where it is hard to find enough people for a decent battle. If you care about the massive change coming to ESO, get over to PTS, help test, and give your feedback on the Public Test Server forum.

If not, don't come whining later about changes and bugs you don't like.

^Exactly This.^

I concede that ZOS is responsible for their part of the Alpha testing and QA of Dark Brotherhood.

However, in PTS I don't see a whole lot of players actually in there doing testing and submitting feedback.

But, when DB goes Live ... just like the prior DLCs ... we'll get a lot of forum questions and QQ from PC players who haven't even bothered to download the PTS.

imenace · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

the poisons will absolutely make PVP unplayable till they nerf them, the first week it wont be bad because not many will have them, after that guild stores will be full of oils and the new reagents and everyone will have them, be prepared

Taisynn · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Impossible to give it a thorough going over with the paltry number of people on PTS. Doubly so in PVP where it is hard to find enough people for a decent battle. If you care about the massive change coming to ESO, get over to PTS, help test, and give your feedback on the Public Test Server forum.

If not, don't come whining later about changes and bugs you don't like.

^Exactly This.^

I concede that ZOS is responsible for their part of the Alpha testing and QA of Dark Brotherhood.

However, in PTS I don't see a whole lot of players actually in there doing testing and submitting feedback.

But, just like the prior DLCs, we'll get a lot of forum questions and QQ from PC players who haven't even bothered to download the PTS ...

I'll admit I did not download the PTS because I just don't have the extra space on my HD.

nimander99 · May 2016

Yes, we've had a whole month.

If we waited for all bugs to be fixed then ESO would still be in Alpha and we wouldn't be in forums whining about the fourth DLC...

ThePonzzz · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I post this every time a DLC comes out. They could beta test it for an entire year and there is nothing they could do to replicate tens of thousands of people all trying out the DLC at once.

We live in a world of patches. Almost nothing that you'll buy any more won't have some sort of bugs to be ironed out post launch. Just accept it. This is not a ZOS issue. It's a technology issue.

This is true, and I mostly agree.

But... When bugs are brought to the proper areas and are discussed with the masses, it is important to clean those issues up during beta. This dates back as long as the PTS has been around.

Thats not always possible. And pretending as if it is just shows your level of ignorance regarding programming. Some of these problems will never have a fix, some will have a touchy fix that breaks every time something changes, some will be pretty benign and will unfortunately be placed on a list of known issues that theyll get around to when they can.

I personally wish theyd patch more often. But thats a decision thats not being made on the developers level but the managements.

Actually, @Korah_Eaglecry, I work for another, much smaller, game. I know what a proper beta period should entail. These beta sessions on the PTS are not addressing issues in the slightest. They appear to have an agenda in what they want to work on and fix at all times.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I post this every time a DLC comes out. They could beta test it for an entire year and there is nothing they could do to replicate tens of thousands of people all trying out the DLC at once.

We live in a world of patches. Almost nothing that you'll buy any more won't have some sort of bugs to be ironed out post launch. Just accept it. This is not a ZOS issue. It's a technology issue.

This is true, and I mostly agree.

But... When bugs are brought to the proper areas and are discussed with the masses, it is important to clean those issues up during beta. This dates back as long as the PTS has been around.

Thats not always possible. And pretending as if it is just shows your level of ignorance regarding programming. Some of these problems will never have a fix, some will have a touchy fix that breaks every time something changes, some will be pretty benign and will unfortunately be placed on a list of known issues that theyll get around to when they can.

I personally wish theyd patch more often. But thats a decision thats not being made on the developers level but the managements.

Actually, @Korah_Eaglecry, I work for another, much smaller, game. I know what a proper beta period should entail. These beta sessions on the PTS are not addressing issues in the slightest. They appear to have an agenda in what they want to work on and fix at all times.

Hmmm. If youre so experienced. How about you put a resume in with ZOS and teach them a thing or two about proper betas instead of claiming to be a developer for another game. By the way, Im the pope.

k9mouse · May 2016

Yes, they've listened to our suggestions and a month was enough time to test it for bugs.

One have to keep in mind that the Live server is its own beast and any new content will bring bugs. If ZOS tries to iron out every bug in a DLC, that DLC never will be released.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

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It doesn't matter as ZOS simply will ignore any input.

In previous PTS sessions a lot of players, including me, have provided feedback. they didn't care and threw out their buggy mess. the game itself is still in a beta phase and therefore it doesn't matter if a beta dlc will be release or not. at least it seems ZOS is thinking like that.

ThePonzzz · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I post this every time a DLC comes out. They could beta test it for an entire year and there is nothing they could do to replicate tens of thousands of people all trying out the DLC at once.

We live in a world of patches. Almost nothing that you'll buy any more won't have some sort of bugs to be ironed out post launch. Just accept it. This is not a ZOS issue. It's a technology issue.

This is true, and I mostly agree.

But... When bugs are brought to the proper areas and are discussed with the masses, it is important to clean those issues up during beta. This dates back as long as the PTS has been around.

Thats not always possible. And pretending as if it is just shows your level of ignorance regarding programming. Some of these problems will never have a fix, some will have a touchy fix that breaks every time something changes, some will be pretty benign and will unfortunately be placed on a list of known issues that theyll get around to when they can.

I personally wish theyd patch more often. But thats a decision thats not being made on the developers level but the managements.

Actually, @Korah_Eaglecry, I work for another, much smaller, game. I know what a proper beta period should entail. These beta sessions on the PTS are not addressing issues in the slightest. They appear to have an agenda in what they want to work on and fix at all times.

Hmmm. If youre so experienced. How about you put a resume in with ZOS and teach them a thing or two about proper betas instead of claiming to be a developer for another game. By the way, Im the pope.

Heh. Okay.

ADarklore · May 2016

Yes, they've listened to our suggestions and a month was enough time to test it for bugs.

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

It doesn't matter as ZOS simply will ignore any input.

In previous PTS sessions a lot of players, including me, have provided feedback. they didn't care and threw out their buggy mess. the game itself is still in a beta phase and therefore it doesn't matter if a beta dlc will be release or not. at least it seems ZOS is thinking like that.

I think what you're actually saying is, "ZOS didn't listen to me so therefore they don't listen to anyone", when in fact, there have been a lot of changes that have occurred or will occur before launch because of feedback left in PTS forum. Therefore, just because they didn't listen to YOU or adopt whatever changes you advocated, doesn't mean they do not listen.

Mojmir · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Fix jabs/sweeps thaumaturge cp.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

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ADarklore wrote: »

I think what you're actually saying is, "ZOS didn't listen to me so therefore they don't listen to anyone", when in fact, there have been a lot of changes that have occurred or will occur before launch because of feedback left in PTS forum. Therefore, just because they didn't listen to YOU or adopt whatever changes you advocated, doesn't mean they do not listen.

nope. read the what i wrote: a lot of players. go through old pts comments and the bugs that have been posted. they got ignored in 99%. and we're talking about bugs, not things some people simply don't like.

but hey, it's easier to simply ignore these facts and trying to denounce someone. there always have been plenty of bugs been reported and if you are lucky, they fix it after 3 month.

STEVIL · May 2016

Yes, they've listened to our suggestions and a month was enough time to test it for bugs.

It will be ready.
There eill be bugs.
New stuff will be here like char slots, craft bags and poisons.

And there will be panic, outrage, joy and the sun will still come up on June 1 in spite of the end of the world predictions.

maboleth · May 2016

Considering how big - enormous - this game is, how many people play at once and how many bugs all Bethesda games have (with unofficial fan-patches fixing thousands, but not engine ones), ESO is mostly a bug free game.

Elsonso · May 2016

Yes, they've listened to our suggestions and a month was enough time to test it for bugs.

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I think what you're actually saying is, "ZOS didn't listen to me so therefore they don't listen to anyone", when in fact, there have been a lot of changes that have occurred or will occur before launch because of feedback left in PTS forum. Therefore, just because they didn't listen to YOU or adopt whatever changes you advocated, doesn't mean they do not listen.

nope. read the what i wrote: a lot of players. go through old pts comments and the bugs that have been posted. they got ignored in 99%. and we're talking about bugs, not things some people simply don't like.

Ahhh. 99%. That translate into, what, in terms of an actual percentage? It is hard to keep up with the meaning of Internet statistics.

Some reported bugs are probably not bugs. Other bugs are agreed upon by all as bugs, but ZOS disagrees on the importance of fixing them... relative to other bugs and features. Still other bugs are more complex and require time to fix. Finally, some bugs cannot be fixed because they do not know what causes them.

In the end, it still boils down to you vs them, and they are the ones that choose. That causes frustration because the player is powerless in this.

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Actually, I work for another, much smaller, game. I know what a proper beta period should entail. These beta sessions on the PTS are not addressing issues in the slightest. They appear to have an agenda in what they want to work on and fix at all times.

If this is the case, you know that the PTS is not really a beta. When they release to PTS they are essentially done with the major features. What they want to see is play test, including how people use the features and what they think. They will tweak, and fix bugs. They will change stuff based on feedback, but this is limited because the goal here is not to resolve everything before they release. They only have a few weeks. Anything they don't fix is tossed onto the backlog, but we have to remember that the team is moving to another DLC.

ThePonzzz · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

lordrichter wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Actually, I work for another, much smaller, game. I know what a proper beta period should entail. These beta sessions on the PTS are not addressing issues in the slightest. They appear to have an agenda in what they want to work on and fix at all times.

If this is the case, you know that the PTS is not really a beta. When they release to PTS they are essentially done with the major features. What they want to see is play test, including how people use the features and what they think. They will tweak, and fix bugs. They will change stuff based on feedback, but this is limited because the goal here is not to resolve everything before they release. They only have a few weeks. Anything they don't fix is tossed onto the backlog, but we have to remember that the team is moving to another DLC.

Not necessarily, but that's not what I'm getting at and the focus is being lost. I'm not talking about the feature creep that happens with player testing. Smaller games can swing things like this, not larger games. What I'm talking about is broken areas of the game. Real issues that stunt gameplay.

We saw a lot of this during the major updates before B2P went live. Thieves Guild and Orsinium had some problem areas as well. Things that were talked about a lot during the PTS.

We'll see though. I'm ESO Plus, so I get the DLC whether I think it's ready or not.

Ghost-Shot · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

They still haven't fixed Dragon Knights, so no.

iTzStevey · May 2016

Knowing ZoS they will release the DLC mess the game up even more (is that even possible at this point?) Ignore the playerbase for a couple of weeks until everything dies down abit and then slap a "we're working on it' reply on the forums and start working on the next DLC.

ToRelax · May 2016

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Yes, they've not listened to our suggestions, but a month should be enough time to test it for bugs.

Eshelmen · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

ZOS doesn't need to release quality products. They know most of you will cave anyway.
ZOS execs are laughing their ass off at our stupidity.

"Make it rain!"

Eshelmen · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

iTzStevey wrote: »

Knowing ZoS they will release the DLC mess the game up even more (is that even possible at this point?) Ignore the playerbase for a couple of weeks until everything dies down abit and then slap a "we're working on it' reply on the forums and start working on the next DLC.

Nailed it

Sharee · May 2016

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Taisynn wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood is about to be released in 10 days... Do you think they have allowed enough time for it to be BETA tested for bugs, exploits, and issues? Please get involved with the discussion and if your answer isn't an option here, please explain in your response!

There will always be bugs exploits and issues unless you want to leave the DLC on PTS for several years. You have to compromise between releasing content bug-free, and releasing content on schedule to keep your players interested.

One month seems like a good compromise for me.

Taisynn · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Sharee wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood is about to be released in 10 days... Do you think they have allowed enough time for it to be BETA tested for bugs, exploits, and issues? Please get involved with the discussion and if your answer isn't an option here, please explain in your response!

There will always be bugs exploits and issues unless you want to leave the DLC on PTS for several years. You have to compromise between releasing content bug-free, and releasing content on schedule to keep your players interested.

One month seems like a good compromise for me.

I wish I could say the same, but I cannot. I want quality content. I'd rather wait longer for better quality/bug/lag-free than these messy quarterly content fixes...

Ep1kMalware · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

Nah, they're going to force this crap on us regardless, but they really should spend more time evaluating feedback than they do already. Not many of my guild mates are excited about this dlc (loads quit after the last one anyway), somImoften ponder what % of the player base feels this way too.

Cool thread

Taisynn · May 2016

No, it's only been a month and there's a lot of issues to be addressed.

So, the last incremental update has been placed in and all the other changes will be in live. Are we truly prepared? They even have known issues listed...

I am very nervous about what other things will be included before anyone can test them. And that 60% strength poison... What the heck.

Demithian · May 2016

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Nothing is ever cut and dry with this stuff, none of the expansions to this day are completely finished, there's bugs, features that need fixing, etc. We can simply hope for the best at this point because it's too late to scrap the launch now.

Epona222 · May 2016

If they hang on until everything is perfect, we'd never see any new content. I mean how long do people want it to be held back for? 3 months? 6 months? I'd honestly rather have slightly imperfect content regularly, than promised content that is constantly pushed back.

Rakkul · May 2016

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They don't appear to listen to player's feedback - apart from doing the exact opposite - so they may as well do away with calling it a pts and just rename it an expansion advertising server.

If they want a meaningful pts - then they need to actually LISTEN.