Jhunn wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure ZOS know how badly the TG patch borked a number of things. I'm pretty sure (going by how many times its brought up on ESO Live and in forums) that they know Cyrodiil has problems. Nobody's opinion is worth more than anyone else's.

Of course they know. They know aswell this sh*t has been happening every patch and it's going to be the same case on upcoming patches. Problem is they don't care. They know but don't give a f*ck.

Open your eyes.

OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!!

:^)

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

The real question is, once VRs are gone, will we see the trial drops scaling to CR160 (or higher), or will they keep their current CR equivalent tiers of gear?

I will bet you $1000 they will be the v12/14 equivalent.

If I had $1000 to burn... but I don't.

At the same time, I wouldn't be so sure. Originally the V16 gear was supposed to be a, "force you into the IC to deal with the hardest content for the best gear possible," challenge. So, at that point it kind of made sense from a design decision. Not a decision I agreed with, but it is understandable.

However, now with Wrothgar, and Hew's Folly scaling to V16 easily, the prospect of getting V16 drops out of the trials in the future doesn't seem quite so far fetched.

To be fair, I kind of doubt the trials will have their difficulty tweaked, just the end game rewards.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

I have a hard time not rolling my eyes every time I see a Fengrush video.

Usually when he's says something like "their netcode isn't robust" I'm just laughing at him.

It's hard to get past knowing what he does and how he's certainly not on the up and up about anything. I mean we are talking about a guy that abused the hell out of stamina with the sprint->dodge roll thing and he did it for months.

As for the AOE caps thing he constantly rants about... my god it would become all fights last 2-3 seconds nightmare.

Sprint dodge roll thing?

This was the writing on the wall the moment they went B2P. With subscription based income they NEED to listen to the community because without the subs, they don't get paid. With B2P, game quality gets put to the side and attention is directed to cash shop tat and hyped up dlc.

crislevin wrote: »

Guess what, zos run a server with data showing the priorities.

Maybe, just maybe, they see more pve people than pvp people?

Yeah, this would be consistent. For most MMOs, roughly 1:20 players participates in PvP on a regular basis. This varies by game, and it might actually be significantly lower for ESO. Judging by console achievement rates (last I checked) only about 1:7 players ever even enters Cyrodiil, to say nothing of actually sticking around and participating.

So, yeah, when the PvP crowd cries, remember, there aren't actually that many of them. And, this isn't a function of bad PvP. This is a function of the kinds of players who, you know, actually play MMOs. Hardcore PvPers are in the extreme minority. The games where you do see strong PvP communities are the ones that were built, exclusively, for PvP. That is not ESO.

And, so, they come in here, insist stuff needs to be changed, but, it's the tail demanding the dog wag for it. There aren't that many hardcore PvPers. Not because ESO ran them off, but because this wasn't a game for hardcore PvPers to begin with.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Only casuals defend this game.

And only the "hardcore" people shout loudest. What's your point?

Phinix1 wrote: »

I am glad I didn't go with the twitch response and just condemn this dude's video without watching it simply because he's a PVP player. I agree 100% with what he has to say.

The thing that worries me most is the business model. Leaning on the community to do QA on the PTS then pushing out broken patches that weren't even on there for them to test.

Putting the focus on pushing out token content, broken or not, to sell boxes and crowns rather than balancing what is there and making the experience of that worth sticking around for.

• Why not scale old trials up to new content level so any level can enjoy them all?
• Why not eliminate AOE caps and anti-bot code in PVP zones?
• Why overt censorship of any constructive criticism as "negative"?

One of the things that irks me most in modern society is the cowardly notion that anything "negative" must be "the problem." Constructive criticism is the only way problems get solved. By demonizing people trying to help you because you are too proud or worried about short term dollars to care to invest the time and effort to communicate or change, you are sending the very message that you allege they are attacking you for.

Any time someone plays the "blame the negative nancy" card you can be sure they are covering a corrupt profit motive that they know they should be ashamed of. Pay attention over there while I do this right under your nose. Oldest trick in the political book.

Nothing cowardly about it. There's no point to engaging with a chorus of people who have nothing more constructive to say than, "you suck!"

So what happens when one of them has a valid point? They get ignored. Because they're standing next to twenty other people who don't, and are busy chanting, "you suck," over, and over, and over again, and have nothing of value to contribute.

At that point, it's really not worth checking each and every one of them, to make sure that, "no, really this guy has a point." Because, far more often than not, they don't. And it is much easier to filter them all out with one fell swoop.

It's not politics. It's just, well, why would you sign up for abuse on the off chance that someone might have something of value to say.

Phinix1 wrote: »

Right up there with "divide and conquer" which I have seen so much in the "PVE vs PVP" player division which is almost encouraged as a distraction from ZOS's inability to balance classes and archetypes.

Case in point.

I mean, here you've made a legitimate point: There are balance issues between the classes. And, you've wrapped it in a cynical and abusive tone. Which, I mean, as a content creator, I'd look at that and say, "nope, not even going to bother," and move on.

You had a legitimate point, but now it's lost, because you set it up as an insult.

Phinix1 wrote: »

When did "good business" become about waging war on your own community? Surely anyone can see this only leads to diminishing returns, as people continue to trickle out as soon as the next best thing comes along while the supply of new players continues to fall as well. It isn't an infinitely renewable resource.

When a minority of highly vocal dissenters in the customer base decided to claim there was a war, and then insisted that because their ideas weren't getting priority in the community, it must be a conspiracy, and not simply a function of tone, or that their views did not reflect the majority of players.

This is a political tactic, by the way. To claim to be the oppressed victim in order to validate your position. That's, "your" as an indefinite pronoun, and not you @Phinix1 in particular, by the way.

Phinix1 wrote: »

This reminds me of the AI in the movie Transcendence. Unable to grasp the concept of right and wrong, or the importance of loyalty. Just blindly plodding forward doing whatever it has fixated on, oblivious to or incapable of considering alternatives proposed by anything outside it's own artificial ego.

If there is an inflated ego at play here, it's Feng's. He's up there saying that, because he's been streaming for less than six months, Zenimax Online must listen to his opinions. And if they don't, it's because he's being shut out for being critical of him.

Now, it's probably true that he's shut out for what he's said about them. But it's because the tone he's presented tells them he has nothing of value to contribute before he even makes his case. It's unfortunate, but not egotism on ZOS's part.

Phinix1 wrote: »

I don't like to sound overly negative because I love the game, and Elder Scrolls. I have been a supporter and addon writer for years. But the business model and priorities really are pretty disappointing, not even mentioning the $1 million dollars to someone who never did a stream, never wrote an addon, never even hit veteran rank in the game.

As it is I haven't even played for months let alone subscribed. I have lost all faith in ZOS being able to balance PVP and they strike me as too full of themselves to care to listen to people basically telling them how to fix things.

It's actually funny you should say that, because the AOE cap that Feng throws a borderline tantrum over is actually something that was implemented because ZOS did listen to people telling them how to fix things.

Who here remembers the unkillable vampire emperors from launch?

Yeah, that AoE cap was put in the game at player demand. Because they did listen to people telling them how to fix things. And now someone else has come along and said, "no, no, no, you listened to the wrong guys, by the way this is your fault!" Yeah... I can't imagine why ZOS might not want to listen to him.

Phinix1 wrote: »

I *** around with new content so long as I have crowns left over to buy it but if they run my numbers as a founder subscriber, content creator, addon author, and "hardcore" player, they'll see those diminishing returns I was talking about.

Here's hoping things change, but honestly it would probably require the employment roster changing for that to happen. In the meantime I'll just enjoy it for free for what it's worth, until I don't.

That's all anyone can do really. I mean, with an MMO? It's not like a single player release. It's never going to be a static game. It may not even exist in the same form a month or two months from now. You can take what's there, you can offer your suggestions. But, when it devolves into shouting, "no, you're wrong!" it becomes non-constructive. It's not cowardice, it's just how dialog works. You said your bit. Someone else decided if you were worth listening to or not. And here we are.

Gidorick wrote: »

FENG RUSH makes one fatal mistake in his assessment of ESO... not all of us are "Long Term MMO Players".. many MANY of us are "Long Term TES Players"

But overall... He's pretty spot on with his criticisms.

Then go back to skyrim.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

FENG RUSH makes one fatal mistake in his assessment of ESO... not all of us are "Long Term MMO Players".. many MANY of us are "Long Term TES Players"

But overall... He's pretty spot on with his criticisms.

Then go back to skyrim.

This. As a loooong time TES franchise fan I hate this game with a passion. It's a HORRIBLE Elder Scrolls game, and even worse MMO. True TES players would agree with me, this game shouldn't even be considered part of the TES franchise.

I've been playing ES games since Arena. To me, Skyrim is by far the worst ES game, not this.

Isn't it great how people can have differing opinions?

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This. As a loooong time TES franchise fan I hate this game with a passion. It's a HORRIBLE Elder Scrolls game, and even worse MMO. True TES players would agree with me, this game shouldn't even be considered part of the TES franchise.

Then if you hate this game, why are you spending so much time trolling the forums? Still expecting that ZOS will cater to you because of your non-stop complaining? If you haven't noticed, they tend to tune out those who are constantly full of criticism and I'm sure they feel the same way most of us do, that these type of players just need to go away already.

If you're such a 'single-player gamer' than why did you venture into MMOs? I mean, 'True TES players would agree with me' please... if you haven't noticed, this game is FULL of TES players who absolutely love the game. Oh but wait, because they don't agree with you they're not "true" TES players.

ADarklore wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but this game IS NOT dominated by PvP players- although I know most of you want to convince yourself differently. For your information, this game is dominated by PvE solo-centric players and that is basically how the game was designed. Also, if Matt Firor even comes out and states that this game is more of a RPG than traditional MMO, then that should answer your question about how PvP fits into ESO.

That's because every demographic but the solo PvE questers have left, because the game has nothing for them.
And the game was designed around the PvP in Cyrodiil. That's why we are split into 3 factions in the first place. Heck, Matt Firor only took the job on the condition that he could make this a 3-faction PvP game. And it was always advertised as having these amazing large PvP battles - at least until the performance dropped and they swept all of that under the rug to promote a dozen colors of cat mounts instead.

And I don't PvP either, just pointing some stuff out.

EsoRecon wrote: »

CASUALS go home to skyrim pls! this game isn't for you.

HARDCORE PVP PLAYERS go and find a game that better suits your PVP needs!

We can all do that and it gets us nowhere.