Ok I think I updated everything (you people have been posting a lot)

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

I don't see the camo hunter + beast trap exploit listed. This is rather nasty -- it allows one player to wipe out an entire party without engaging in combat and loot thousands of TV. Apparently the rearming happens multiple times per second and it increases damage to ridiculous amounts -- 25K is common and I've heard of over 50K. It can also leaves the victims in a broken state unable to interact with the environment or even resurrect properly. You have to logout, login and face the long loading screen and the possibility of getting booted from IC/Cyrodiil. And while solo players doing this is bad if a team decides to take advantage of this they can use it to bottle everyone inside their starting area in a zone making the sewers all but unplayable until a large enough zerg with the right skills can break thru and sweep the sewers clean. This has "game breaking exploit" written all over it.

This^^^ is the kind of stuff that needs a quick fix, when there is a chance to lose stones or anything else, the bugs that are being exploited need to be on the top of the list. And if there is no quick fix they need to be turned off until there is.

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

I don't see the camo hunter + beast trap exploit listed. This is rather nasty -- it allows one player to wipe out an entire party without engaging in combat and loot thousands of TV. Apparently the rearming happens multiple times per second and it increases damage to ridiculous amounts -- 25K is common and I've heard of over 50K. It can also leaves the victims in a broken state unable to interact with the environment or even resurrect properly. You have to logout, login and face the long loading screen and the possibility of getting booted from IC/Cyrodiil. And while solo players doing this is bad if a team decides to take advantage of this they can use it to bottle everyone inside their starting area in a zone making the sewers all but unplayable until a large enough zerg with the right skills can break thru and sweep the sewers clean. This has "game breaking exploit" written all over it.

Robbmrp wrote: »

In case it hasn't been posted here yet, there's an exploit being used in the IC Sewers that has to do with Re-arming trap. It's one shotting people and some entire groups. It needs a fix asap. This one cannot wait for a DLC Update and needs a Hotfix done pretty quickly. There are multiple users doing this on PC NA. I submitted a bug report the other day on it.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_RichLambert any help you guys can provide on a fix for the Trap exploit would be greatly appreciated. People are loosing thousands of Tel Var stones to this exploit daily. These people clearly know it's a cheat and continue to use it.

@ontheleftcoast
@Robbmrp
I have contacted Rich Lambert personally and he forwarded this issue to the Q&A team already 4 days ago. I'm avoiding this issue in my compendium to keep this as silent as possible. We don't want everybody starting to abuse that, do we? Let's hope for a hotfix. Worst case this will stick around until next weeks patch ... we'll see.

I've added a point refering to that Issue in the Exploit section.

@Xantaria awesome to hear!

FIX THIS NOW DANG IT!!!!!!!!!!

I'll put this here, seems ignored where I thought it should be.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/216862/bug-piercing-mark-pve-and-pvp-issue#latest

PVE
When you cast Piercing Mark (Nightblade morph of Mark Target) on a moving mob the mob stands in place but isn't there they keep moving but you see them at the position where they are marked. They will start moving again, but again will not be where they are... their true position is as if they kept moving as they were and not for when they stopped moving when marked. I can confirm it operates like this with piercing mark, I assume it's the same with all the version of mark target.

PVP
Is Piercing mark supposed to be purgeable? Being it's the only true counter to dark cloak and stealth, should it be affected by purge? It's not affected by dark cloak (you can not remove it with dark cloak, but you can remove it with cleanse and purges). I get why it would be unaffected by dark cloak, but shouldn't it also be unaffected by purges?

To clarify more on the pve issue, basically at the point you "mark" any mobile target it becomes desynced in position. ie where you see them on screen is not where they actually are. You can't use any melee attacks on them because where you see them the aren't. You can use ranged abilities, ambush, crit charge etc. But you will move to a location where the mob you see isn't at, and by the 2nd attack they usually warp back to their true position.

Xantaria wrote: »

Typical Desync issue, yep. I've played Path of Exile :') . Marking a mob seems to make his position client sided (predicted), whereas his true position is unknown to you. When trying to damage the mob in meelee range you can not hit it because it's at a different position on the server. Trying to damage it will also force a resync from the server which leads to the warping you noticed. After the warp you should be seeing the correct position. Atleast for that moment. I wonder why marking a target is client sided ... but well ... this goes deep into their netcode. Desync issues are not easy to fix. I will add this later!

The question to add to it is "is this working like that in pvp?".

Because, I just assume some people are lagsploiting so you can't attack them in melee range. There are still plenty of the "lag induced play style" people out there. But, perhaps it's also desyncing players positions as it does mobs. Would explain some of the melee range bs and the warping corpses you see from time to time.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

PVP
Is Piercing mark supposed to be purgeable? Being it's the only true counter to dark cloak and stealth, should it be affected by purge? It's not affected by dark cloak (you can not remove it with dark cloak, but you can remove it with cleanse and purges). I get why it would be unaffected by dark cloak, but shouldn't it also be unaffected by purges?

Purge is supposed to rid you of Mark Target and always has.

Dark Cloak removes DoT's and Mark Target is not a DoT.

Fair enough point on dark cloak, I know it used to say effects but it currently just says damage over time (sans effects).

But I'm just pointing out the absurdity of having the only way of single target stealth prevention being trivially eliminated by the biggest offender of stealth/invis abuse.

I'm not even saying it should be nerfed, just asking for clarification if the ability is intended to be easily purged.

I can tell you this though, you can't do this as a stamina nightblade. So, on top of everything in favor of magicka nightblades right now is the ability to remove the only way of preventing them from cloaking and cloaking intended.

That's what will get cloak nerfed imo, and if you listen to the devs they are already looking at a cloak nerf, when the fact that magicka nightblades are just purging piercing might be the bulk of the problem.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I purge piercing marks and want to keep purging them.

Got ya, thanks for clarifying.

Not sure if this is intended/bug. This might be really stupid but here goes:

Is it intended that V16 mobs in IC only drop V15 glyphs? My character is also V16. I was slightly dissapointed that all the glyphs dropped from V16 mobs were V15 ( therefore won't yield V16 runes when deconstructing). In past iterations, runes have always been a level range, eg V10-V14 and it didn't matter as much. Now, however since runes are only tied to one level it's rather frustrating to be getting V15 glyphs from V16 mobs.

The V16 mobs also seem to be dropping V15 gear, but unlike enchanting , you can use the material gained from deconstructing V15 gear, in order to craft V16 gear. ( So, not so much of an issue). This does add then, yet another layer of grinding to get V16 gear, since you can't get V16 glyphs to decon. ( I understand that this may be intended by ZOS, based on the direction that obtaining gear/motufs/crafting materials seems to be headed in)

I know you can get V16 runes by buying them with TV stones, or getting lucky with a specific mob dropping a v16 rune (the 70k one).( Not sure if there are more ways though).

So my question is, is it intended or a bug. Of course if anyone has received a V16 glyph from killing a V16 mob , then I will continue searching for those, in order to deconstruct them

Many thanks.

EDIT: For clarity. Glyphs were picked up in sewers/districts. ( not dungeons). P'S now that I think of it, I've only come across V15 alchemy water and V15 recipes. So I'm wondering if V16 recipes/alchemy water/ glyphs/pvp vendor gear have been left out of this update. (Either on purpose or by accident). Or I might just be unlucky and not have seen any).

Valkyn Skoria is proccing at under a 1% chance per DoT tick.
i.imgur.com/UZbICio.jpg
You can see it says it hit 12 times but when i went to go look at the mage only DPS it only showed 9 hits and I had over 1k DoT ticks over the duration of the fight. The 25% damage nerf was needed but this proc chance cant be intended.

I would like to submit a bug which has been an on and off issue and back again as of the most recent update.

At sometime between tanking the Foundation Stone Atronarch and the Mage, my health bar breaks. The health bar will start to stay at 100% and only slightly drop (if it drops at all). I think that something during the Wisp Mother fight or Foundation Stone Atronarch is causing this issue.

I would like to say it has made me a better tank because I don't know what my health is at when tanking axes, but I am getting really tired of this bug.

angelyn wrote: »

Not sure if this is intended/bug. This might be really stupid but here goes:

Is it intended that V16 mobs in IC only drop V15 glyphs? My character is also V16. I was slightly dissapointed that all the glyphs dropped from V16 mobs were V15 ( therefore won't yield V16 runes when deconstructing). In past iterations, runes have always been a level range, eg V10-V14 and it didn't matter as much. Now, however since runes are only tied to one level it's rather frustrating to be getting V15 glyphs from V16 mobs.

The V16 mobs also seem to be dropping V15 gear, but unlike enchanting , you can use the material gained from deconstructing V15 gear, in order to craft V16 gear. ( So, not so much of an issue). This does add then, yet another layer of grinding to get V16 gear, since you can't get V16 glyphs to decon. ( I understand that this may be intended by ZOS, based on the direction that obtaining gear/motufs/crafting materials seems to be headed in)

I know you can get V16 runes by buying them with TV stones, or getting lucky with a specific mob dropping a v16 rune (the 70k one).( Not sure if there are more ways though).

So my question is, is it intended or a bug. Of course if anyone has received a V16 glyph from killing a V16 mob , then I will continue searching for those, in order to deconstruct them

Many thanks.

EDIT: For clarity. Glyphs were picked up in sewers/districts. ( not dungeons). P'S now that I think of it, I've only come across V15 alchemy water and V15 recipes. So I'm wondering if V16 recipes/alchemy water/ glyphs/pvp vendor gear have been left out of this update. (Either on purpose or by accident). Or I might just be unlucky and not have seen any).

fwiw, today, after running the sewers for a while i was checking my inventory and found six v16 runes, so they DO drop. i think i probably got them from a trove scamp, as our group (3 man) killed two of them.

previously, i got six v15 runes in loot, but i don't remember where. i really don't keep track while i'm running.