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Feedback: Shieldbreaker 5p-set - it´s OP and should not go live.
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ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
You would have to start the rotation with a light attack, or the first WB would remove the fossilize shield(nullifying your set bonus). Leading with a LA will give the fossilized enemy a split second more time to CC break and block before the first WB lands.
I am not sure i would risk the enemy successfully blocking my WB for a mere 2K extra damage. Not to mention you have to sacrifice your 5-piece set bonus to be able to take that risk in the firstplace.I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
Not understanding that one. Why waste a light attack after a wrecking blow when you could wreck them again?
Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Wrecking Blow, pretty obvious actually.
Or chain into a leap with Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Dragon Leap.
2H LA will mostly brake fozzil
Good for the DK, then it'll hit harder and cc the opponent. What else could one wish for lol.Edited by ToRelax on August 27, 2015 11:12PMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
Elo'dryel - Sorc - AR 50 - Hopesfire - EP EU0 -
Rayste✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.The Teach - AD Templar2 -
MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
Not only was it tankier than a sorc, it was nearly 2 shotting him, and able to outlast/drain syphers' resources, then hit with a 14k wrecking blow... Never seen anything like it on ptsEdited by MrGrimey on August 28, 2015 3:39AM1 -
Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
To be honest I barely watched some clips of the fight, but this build here is able to pull off stuff like that.
Being tanky is nothing special on the current patch tho.
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Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Edited by Soulac on August 28, 2015 4:12AMR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.Here since Beta.
Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.3 -
Rayste✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, this is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I suppose you could use the bloodspawn set for even more mitigation. I am betting he was running immovable as his armor skill.The Teach - AD Templar0 -
Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, this is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I suppose you could use the bloodspawn set for even more mitigation. I am betting he was running immovable as his armor skill.
Naw he was running shuffle. The NB will have to run Immovable though
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Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, armor master would've been the other option.
Wouldn't run engine guardian tho and instead use either 2x Kena or 1x Kena and something else instead.
Instead of endurance shadow Walker or whatever and voilà quite a bit more dmg..
Anyway I won't bother with thinking about it without having the final patch notes :P
R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
Member of the Arena Guild and the overpowered Banana Squad.
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Rayste✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, this is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I suppose you could use the bloodspawn set for even more mitigation. I am betting he was running immovable as his armor skill.
Naw he was running shuffle. The NB will have to run Immovable though
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, armor master would've been the other option.
Wouldn't run engine guardian tho and instead use either 2x Kena or 1x Kena and something else instead.
Instead of endurance shadow Walker or whatever and voilà quite a bit more dmg..
Anyway I won't bother with thinking about it without having the final patch notes :P
Gotta run the guardian set to perma block, as casting Igneous for stamina return gets costly.
Edited by Xeniph on August 28, 2015 4:31AMHere since Beta.
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, this is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I suppose you could use the bloodspawn set for even more mitigation. I am betting he was running immovable as his armor skill.
Naw he was running shuffle. The NB will have to run Immovable though
Sorry, been awhile since I ran my DK. What skill was giving him major? Was he running spiked armor?
He was in a few of the fights.
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phillyproduct✭✭✭WoW pc players cry alot.
This set kills shield stackers period...
Lets watch a vid of this set versus a offensive sork or a stam nighblade or any non shield stacking player
Its 5piece is worthless unless fighting a shield user so your losing damage against every other person in cyrodiil. Their is no dmg build that wants this set outside of dpsing shield stackers but yet its broken?
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✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, armor master would've been the other option.
Wouldn't run engine guardian tho and instead use either 2x Kena or 1x Kena and something else instead.
Instead of endurance shadow Walker or whatever and voilà quite a bit more dmg..
Anyway I won't bother with thinking about it without having the final patch notes :P
Gotta run the guardian set to perma block, as casting Igneous for stamina return gets costly.
Well I'm not a DK, so I didn't think of a build for that class.. :PR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have not been able to test it myself, but apparently, this set is not working as intended. It's unresistable damage applies on -everything- not just shields.
You can spam light attacks on someone blocking, and do the tool-tip stated unresistable damage with light and heavy attacks. If this is the case, then this set is broken and is in urgent need of fixing before it gets exploited as the new meta.1 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I have not been able to test it myself, but apparently, this set is not working as intended. It's unresistable damage applies on -everything- not just shields.
You can spam light attacks on someone blocking, and do the tool-tip stated unresistable damage with light and heavy attacks. If this is the case, then this set is broken and is in urgent need of fixing before it gets exploited as the new meta.
Yeah, it's proccing on blocks, which is crazy. Definitely needs to be fixed before going live.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
You would have to start the rotation with a light attack, or the first WB would remove the fossilize shield(nullifying your set bonus). Leading with a LA will give the fossilized enemy a split second more time to CC break and block before the first WB lands.
I am not sure i would risk the enemy successfully blocking my WB for a mere 2K extra damage. Not to mention you have to sacrifice your 5-piece set bonus to be able to take that risk in the firstplace.I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
Not understanding that one. Why waste a light attack after a wrecking blow when you could wreck them again?
Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Wrecking Blow, pretty obvious actually.
Or chain into a leap with Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Dragon Leap.
2H LA will mostly brake fozzil
Good for the DK, then it'll hit harder and cc the opponent. What else could one wish for lol.
Nah bad for DK, for 2k unresable DMG, he got free CC immunity and can block/dogeroll your wb easy#makemagickadkgreataigan
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ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
You would have to start the rotation with a light attack, or the first WB would remove the fossilize shield(nullifying your set bonus). Leading with a LA will give the fossilized enemy a split second more time to CC break and block before the first WB lands.
I am not sure i would risk the enemy successfully blocking my WB for a mere 2K extra damage. Not to mention you have to sacrifice your 5-piece set bonus to be able to take that risk in the firstplace.I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
Not understanding that one. Why waste a light attack after a wrecking blow when you could wreck them again?
Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Wrecking Blow, pretty obvious actually.
Or chain into a leap with Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Dragon Leap.
2H LA will mostly brake fozzil
Good for the DK, then it'll hit harder and cc the opponent. What else could one wish for lol.
Nah bad for DK, for 2k unresable DMG, he got free CC immunity and can block/dogeroll your wb easy
Hm, I didn't test Fossilize in that respect.
Does it grant cc immunity on PTS when it is broken by damage (like the new Rune Cage/Agony)?
Because Luminous Shards still don't, so it's not all disorients.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
You would have to start the rotation with a light attack, or the first WB would remove the fossilize shield(nullifying your set bonus). Leading with a LA will give the fossilized enemy a split second more time to CC break and block before the first WB lands.
I am not sure i would risk the enemy successfully blocking my WB for a mere 2K extra damage. Not to mention you have to sacrifice your 5-piece set bonus to be able to take that risk in the firstplace.I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
Not understanding that one. Why waste a light attack after a wrecking blow when you could wreck them again?
Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Wrecking Blow, pretty obvious actually.
Or chain into a leap with Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Dragon Leap.
2H LA will mostly brake fozzil
Good for the DK, then it'll hit harder and cc the opponent. What else could one wish for lol.
Nah bad for DK, for 2k unresable DMG, he got free CC immunity and can block/dogeroll your wb easy
Hm, I didn't test Fossilize in that respect.
Does it grant cc immunity on PTS when it is broken by damage (like the new Rune Cage/Agony)?
Because Luminous Shards still don't, so it's not all disorients.
Its allways gave cc immunity when it broked, it was just Buggy if you used a other time fozzEdited by BuggeX on August 28, 2015 12:13PM#makemagickadkgreataigan
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Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭I still want it to be a viable set, needs a tone down
1. Make the light attack do less damage and heavy attack do more.
2. Keep damage as is but give it a 40/50% chance to proc.
Either one of those options are good.
Just a sidenote, I am AGAINST a internal cooldown, it will make it a trash set if they do that we have enough of trash sets1 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, armor master would've been the other option.
Wouldn't run engine guardian tho and instead use either 2x Kena or 1x Kena and something else instead.
Instead of endurance shadow Walker or whatever and voilà quite a bit more dmg..
Anyway I won't bother with thinking about it without having the final patch notes :P
This is what he was using:
-5 piece Medium Armour Master (For stamina Recovery) [He only blocked when he needed to]
-2 piece heavy (engine guardian)[reinforced]
-Lady Mundus Stone with all 5 Divine's
-All prismatic tri stat enchant's
-He was using Evasion + Immovable
-Puncture (for Minor Armour buff)
All you get from heavy is 20% extra block and some health, he has to of been wearing medium for his damage to be so high. If he ever got low on stamina he would just use is Leap ult with Shield and stop blocking until he fully regen'd.
With 5 medium he had pretty good damage and since he had divine's on the medium piece's he could still get a lot of Armour.
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Even when he wasn't blocking, the damage being done was little to none, he wasn't really perma blocking like people think. He was just stacking so much Armour that damage was already so low, then he could mass heal with rally and vigor. Enginee Guard kept his stamina up. He already had good stamina recovery with medium.
It was the most boring fight i've ever watched. The whole build relied on using leap when your stamina was low to regen then block the heavy hit's. Then just re-applie buff's.
To be honest the build suck's when you have more then 1 person on you. It's just 1v1 dominate because he can't be killed by one person alone.Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on August 28, 2015 2:35PMPS4 NA DC0 -
Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭phillyproduct wrote: »WoW pc players cry alot.
This set kills shield stackers period...
Lets watch a vid of this set versus a offensive sork or a stam nighblade or any non shield stacking player
Its 5piece is worthless unless fighting a shield user so your losing damage against every other person in cyrodiil. Their is no dmg build that wants this set outside of dpsing shield stackers but yet its broken?
It procs on sword and shield, and all other blocks.
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✭✭I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
You would have to start the rotation with a light attack, or the first WB would remove the fossilize shield(nullifying your set bonus). Leading with a LA will give the fossilized enemy a split second more time to CC break and block before the first WB lands.
I am not sure i would risk the enemy successfully blocking my WB for a mere 2K extra damage. Not to mention you have to sacrifice your 5-piece set bonus to be able to take that risk in the firstplace.I dont understand why people say that the set will be situational. It has perfect stats for a stamina based reg build and will be good in every situation, especially on a stam dk with fossilize
If i fossilize someone and he doesn't instantly break it, he's gonna eat two unblocked wrecking blows, not a light attack with 2K damage attached...
Any decent player would use at least one light attack in that rotation...
Not understanding that one. Why waste a light attack after a wrecking blow when you could wreck them again?
Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Wrecking Blow, pretty obvious actually.
Or chain into a leap with Fossilize -> light attack -> Wrecking Blow -> Dragon Leap.
2H LA will mostly brake fozzil
Good for the DK, then it'll hit harder and cc the opponent. What else could one wish for lol.
Nah bad for DK, for 2k unresable DMG, he got free CC immunity and can block/dogeroll your wb easy
Hm, I didn't test Fossilize in that respect.
Does it grant cc immunity on PTS when it is broken by damage (like the new Rune Cage/Agony)?
Because Luminous Shards still don't, so it's not all disorients.
Its allways gave cc immunity when it broked, it was just Buggy if you used a other time fozz
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.
For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.
That would still be hugely efficient when fighting magicka builds and it would be more efficient the more your opponent shield stacks. But it would not screw over everyone who got a tiny shield from a passive or form a friendly DKs Igneous shield or whatever.
Oh and then the name shield breaker would match what the set would actually be doing.
That wont fix the shieldspamming issue
If you can't kill a shield-spammer with all that extra DPS then I'm afraid the problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
If you manage to kill a sorc then he just sucks 1v1. You literally cannot kill sorcs that know how to spam shields.
lol. Duels happen every day, Sorcs still die.
I can built any class / any build and survive a 1v1 by going 100% defense. Whether that is a heavy armor perma-blocker or a medium armor perma-dodger vigor spammer, or a light armor shield spammer. As soon as you decide to go offensive gaps open up, that's how duels work.
I'm not here to say shields are not very strong at the moment. But the way you present facts is both wrong and shows an agenda.
Every thread / post you make at the moment is full of QQ and bias. Take a chill pill.
^This.
It´s like ppl in heavy armor permablocking complain they can´t kill a single sorc. Well in reality a single sorc can´t kill them either...
Omg you embarrass yourself and your class. You just admitted that the light armor sorc is as tanky as the heavy Armor, wait for it, TANK.
On top of that you are wrong. Sorcs have zero problems killing tanks. No other class has that high DPS, tankiness, and mobility all rolled in one. Cry and throw smoke bombs as much as you want but the masses have spoken. You are a OP class that are being brought back down, closer, to the rest of us.
Don't worry though. All that crying worked. They didn't fix the real problem. HARDENED WARD scaling off magicka. Some day maybe
If only you knew .... there are builds floating around PTS right now that are far more tanky and do more damage than the 1.6 sorc. Wait and see.... Sypher encountered one in his stream the other night .... they wouldn't share the build though. I believe the guy was running a DK.
5x 35% Reduction Set, 2x Kena, 3x Agility and for the other two slots maybe 2pc Wpndmg.
That's quite some Wpndmg as soon as Kena procs and with heavy armor, reduction set and S&B (15% dmg reduction) it does exactly what you said.
Barely watched the clips tho, so I'm not sure about the usage of reduction set, but it's capable of doing the same stuff.
Being tanky is nothing special with the current patch.
Actually it was; 5x heavy Armor master (with prismatic enchants) Light shoulders/Heavy Helm Engine Guardian 3X Agility 2X Endurance.
It's actually tanky as all hell and great dps. 32k/32k Spell and Armor, sporting 2500 (1h/s) 2700 (2h) weapon damage. Quite a fun spec.
Yes, armor master would've been the other option.
Wouldn't run engine guardian tho and instead use either 2x Kena or 1x Kena and something else instead.
Instead of endurance shadow Walker or whatever and voilà quite a bit more dmg..
Anyway I won't bother with thinking about it without having the final patch notes :P
This is what he was using:
-5 piece Medium Armour Master (For stamina Recovery) [He only blocked when he needed to]
-2 piece heavy (engine guardian)[reinforced]
-Lady Mundus Stone with all 5 Divine's
-All prismatic tri stat enchant's
-He was using Evasion + Immovable
-Puncture (for Minor Armour buff)
All you get from heavy is 20% extra block and some health, he has to of been wearing medium for his damage to be so high. If he ever got low on stamina he would just use is Leap ult with Shield and stop blocking until he fully regen'd.
With 5 medium he had pretty good damage and since he had divine's on the medium piece's he could still get a lot of Armour.
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Even when he wasn't blocking, the damage being done was little to none, he wasn't really perma blocking like people think. He was just stacking so much Armour that damage was already so low, then he could mass heal with rally and vigor. Enginee Guard kept his stamina up. He already had good stamina recovery with medium.
It was the most boring fight i've ever watched. The whole build relied on using leap when your stamina was low to regen then block the heavy hit's. Then just re-applie buff's.
To be honest the build suck's when you have more then 1 person on you. It's just 1v1 dominate because he can't be killed by one person alone.
I already stated what he was using, with one exception. I believe he was using a crafted weapon.
Anywho I know this because I have dissected the video and recreated the build. Also, at no time did he ever cast immovable. You would clearly see the bubble, which was not present.
Edit- Atleast that's what Sypher was wearing.
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Sublime✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I could be wrong, but I dont think anyone is going to wear this set. It's not that great aside from attacking shielded targets.
Lets see a show of hands. Anyone planning on using this set, please, say so in this thread.
I'm certainly gonna use it for any type of Stamina open world PvP. I used it on PTS for ~30 minutes and I had so much fun roflstomping anybody using a shield, I usually didn't even have to try.
I think that speaks more to the people you fought in that 30 min
I'm planning to make a video tomorrow, so you'll be able to check yourself.
that would be great! As long as it is not as ridiculous as the video posted previously which really did not show anything and was very skewed. Hopefully it will showing testing in an actual fight scenario and what not.
look forward to it. I like to see others gameplay experience. I am well aware that my experiences are not end all be all.
As promised:
https://youtu.be/0CRpM29tOYI
I only found one Sorcerer willing to fight me. Regarding other builds using shields, against DK's or Templar's it doesn't really matter because the shield is too small in relation to their HP, anybody using Healing Ward/Harness Magicka is however +/- dead as long as I can attack them (i.e. they aren't roll dodging/cloaking)EU | For those who want to improve their behaviour: the science behind shaping player bahaviour (presentation)1 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I could be wrong, but I dont think anyone is going to wear this set. It's not that great aside from attacking shielded targets.
Lets see a show of hands. Anyone planning on using this set, please, say so in this thread.
I'm certainly gonna use it for any type of Stamina open world PvP. I used it on PTS for ~30 minutes and I had so much fun roflstomping anybody using a shield, I usually didn't even have to try.
I think that speaks more to the people you fought in that 30 min
I'm planning to make a video tomorrow, so you'll be able to check yourself.
that would be great! As long as it is not as ridiculous as the video posted previously which really did not show anything and was very skewed. Hopefully it will showing testing in an actual fight scenario and what not.
look forward to it. I like to see others gameplay experience. I am well aware that my experiences are not end all be all.
As promised:https://youtu.be/0CRpM29tOYI
I only found one Sorcerer willing to fight me. Regarding other builds using shields, against DK's or Templar's it doesn't really matter because the shield is too small in relation to their HP, anybody using Healing Ward/Harness Magicka is however +/- dead as long as I can attack them (i.e. they aren't roll dodging/cloaking)
good video. I have only watched it once so far. I like to go through and break them down, so this is my initial reaction. The set allows a player using a bow to have a normal fight. the amount of health that was lost and regained over the course of spamming bow attacks was consistent with a normal fight that 2 people will have. on live, you dont get this. you get the op sheilds and cant get to a sorc spamming shields behind mines. this counters that. but it only counters it in a way that makes the fight fair and not one sided. where it does seem a little ridculous is the ease by which a person wearing this set can make it feel like a normal fight. i.e. spamming bow light attacks. (BTW by normal fights i am referring to how health fluctuates during the course of a fight) The thing is the player would have to have a bow. you can not pull this off in this fight without a bow. using melee attacks would have been your death everytime. so you would also have to further limit the use of this not only from medium armor, none min/maxer, players, but also players who will be using a bow. further limint what a player can do while wearing this set. for my initial reaction i still see a set that merely counters shield stacking sorcs, but not counter it so much as to make the fight unfair or winnable. it merely forces them to fight and not sit in mines. they have to go on the offensive. since the bow user also has to stay on the offensive for the fight in order to kill them with this set spamming LA, it makes for a purely offensive matchup. additionally, i do not think physical attacks should proc this set when harness is up alone. that does need to be revisited. I would just say the set does not proc on harness b/c what staff users are using this set? none. so just remove harness as a proc on this set altogther.1 -
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