Feedback: Shieldbreaker 5p-set - it´s OP and should not go live.

Darnathian

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

But the set penalizes anyone who uses any number of shields, and even those near shield users or who synergize with shield giving skills. It is a blanket nuking when a smaller more specific change would have, you know, worked a lot better.

No, it's not a nuking. People are still shielding like crazy and let's be honest you aren't worried about someone getting randomly shielded. You're worried about not being able to shield stack.

None of my regular group healers give a s*** whether there's a shield breaker set or not...they don't require shields to heal if they are suddenly faced with them.

It's a counter, to an abused game mechanic... that's all it is. And anyone doing it got off the hook very easily... this affects shield stackers more than anyone.. the longer you have shields spamming the longer you'll take 2k~ damage and that will add up over time... causing the shield stacker to either keep spamming shields, flee, or actually fight.

I used the term nuke in regards to how specific the changes were, they weren't precise an changed a few things. And for your group healers, do none of them use healing ward? Also I think maybe once I had used two shields at once, maybe. Right now off the top of my head about 3 of my characters have no shields slotted and the rest either have 1 or only have frost staff shields. But regardless of that, it still removes incentive to work with allies and use synergies, since once someone with this set shows up i'll bet they will make the most of your poorly timed shielding.

In PVP when we have a healer, we care more about our health than shields. Sure a shield is nice.. A... SHIELD. If someone with shield breaker comes over when I have a shield what would I do? Well for starters seeing health deplete while a shield is up is a very obvious sign... what else would you need flashing signs? So, I take damage.... I'd use a stun and distance myself but I certainly wouldn't keep re-applying shields and I don't know a healer that is actually experienced in healing and is up-to-date on this game that would be spamming shields instead of spamming heals. This isn't a problem for groups. This is a problem for shield-stackers.

75% of my characters use shields. But only 1 each. So why do I not care for this? Ah that's right, I don't rely on stacking shields as I already know it's about as cheap of a mechanic as you can abuse. This is going to remind people who actually is skilled and who is not because they will be forced to fight others or flee instead of entering God-mode when faced with less than 3-5 people who aren't shield-stacking.

Healers don't need to spam healing ward to get you killed. One ward when they quickly spot an allies health dropping and you could be as good as dead, not time to react, no time to spot the person with the set to stun them, no time to delay until the ward goes away. Templars can burst heal well but for other classes this shield seems to be a popular choice, but now that it could just end up getting someone killed.

You seem to think i'm going on about shield stacking and shield spamming and i'm not, there are many ways you can easily get a shield and with it someone with this set can bypass all your defenses to deal raw damage very quickly and unless you are very attentive or have an addon for it you'll likely take a beating once someone with this set gets an eye on your shields, it'll only require the set to become common. And with how many people are lining up to get their revenge against the class they hate so much I doubt there will be a shortage of them.

He is simply stating there is a counter now to 1v x God mode sorcs. In group, there is no difference as you have dedicated healers. Sorcs are angry because it is extremely difficult to 1vx now. Like the rest of us now. 1.6 was your time in the sun.
Start grouping now. You are no longer tanky cannons without a counter. Happens to everyone when a god mode build is found

Every time I see this I realize there is nothing that I can say that'll change peoples minds. Yes, yes, get revenge on the evil sorcerer's who use what survival tools they have and what build they are more or less forced into because you want it. Go out, ignore all the flaws that this quickly thought out and poorly implemented set has by remembering this, its time to get payback, and that's all that matters now, who needs balance when you can rotate the fotm and reverse the purpose of shields in game?

Did I say revenge? No. I don't deny a sorc needs survival tools. But 1.6 was way over the top. If you don't see that then I don't know what to say. Sorcs had no weakness once cp's made it possible to be able to not run out of stam

CP5

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

But the set penalizes anyone who uses any number of shields, and even those near shield users or who synergize with shield giving skills. It is a blanket nuking when a smaller more specific change would have, you know, worked a lot better.

No, it's not a nuking. People are still shielding like crazy and let's be honest you aren't worried about someone getting randomly shielded. You're worried about not being able to shield stack.

None of my regular group healers give a s*** whether there's a shield breaker set or not...they don't require shields to heal if they are suddenly faced with them.

It's a counter, to an abused game mechanic... that's all it is. And anyone doing it got off the hook very easily... this affects shield stackers more than anyone.. the longer you have shields spamming the longer you'll take 2k~ damage and that will add up over time... causing the shield stacker to either keep spamming shields, flee, or actually fight.

I used the term nuke in regards to how specific the changes were, they weren't precise an changed a few things. And for your group healers, do none of them use healing ward? Also I think maybe once I had used two shields at once, maybe. Right now off the top of my head about 3 of my characters have no shields slotted and the rest either have 1 or only have frost staff shields. But regardless of that, it still removes incentive to work with allies and use synergies, since once someone with this set shows up i'll bet they will make the most of your poorly timed shielding.

In PVP when we have a healer, we care more about our health than shields. Sure a shield is nice.. A... SHIELD. If someone with shield breaker comes over when I have a shield what would I do? Well for starters seeing health deplete while a shield is up is a very obvious sign... what else would you need flashing signs? So, I take damage.... I'd use a stun and distance myself but I certainly wouldn't keep re-applying shields and I don't know a healer that is actually experienced in healing and is up-to-date on this game that would be spamming shields instead of spamming heals. This isn't a problem for groups. This is a problem for shield-stackers.

75% of my characters use shields. But only 1 each. So why do I not care for this? Ah that's right, I don't rely on stacking shields as I already know it's about as cheap of a mechanic as you can abuse. This is going to remind people who actually is skilled and who is not because they will be forced to fight others or flee instead of entering God-mode when faced with less than 3-5 people who aren't shield-stacking.

Healers don't need to spam healing ward to get you killed. One ward when they quickly spot an allies health dropping and you could be as good as dead, not time to react, no time to spot the person with the set to stun them, no time to delay until the ward goes away. Templars can burst heal well but for other classes this shield seems to be a popular choice, but now that it could just end up getting someone killed.

You seem to think i'm going on about shield stacking and shield spamming and i'm not, there are many ways you can easily get a shield and with it someone with this set can bypass all your defenses to deal raw damage very quickly and unless you are very attentive or have an addon for it you'll likely take a beating once someone with this set gets an eye on your shields, it'll only require the set to become common. And with how many people are lining up to get their revenge against the class they hate so much I doubt there will be a shortage of them.

He is simply stating there is a counter now to 1v x God mode sorcs. In group, there is no difference as you have dedicated healers. Sorcs are angry because it is extremely difficult to 1vx now. Like the rest of us now. 1.6 was your time in the sun.
Start grouping now. You are no longer tanky cannons without a counter. Happens to everyone when a god mode build is found

Every time I see this I realize there is nothing that I can say that'll change peoples minds. Yes, yes, get revenge on the evil sorcerer's who use what survival tools they have and what build they are more or less forced into because you want it. Go out, ignore all the flaws that this quickly thought out and poorly implemented set has by remembering this, its time to get payback, and that's all that matters now, who needs balance when you can rotate the fotm and reverse the purpose of shields in game?

Did I say revenge? No. I don't deny a sorc needs survival tools. But 1.6 was way over the top. If you don't see that then I don't know what to say. Sorcs had no weakness once cp's made it possible to be able to not run out of stam

And that is a problem, the class is so lop sided that on one end you have these super annoying fotm builds running around and on the other... Its just this armor set is so poorly designed yet people justify it with "sorcs deserve to be taken down a notch" without even recognizing how it influences everyone.

Derra

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

But the set penalizes anyone who uses any number of shields, and even those near shield users or who synergize with shield giving skills. It is a blanket nuking when a smaller more specific change would have, you know, worked a lot better.

No, it's not a nuking. People are still shielding like crazy and let's be honest you aren't worried about someone getting randomly shielded. You're worried about not being able to shield stack.

None of my regular group healers give a s*** whether there's a shield breaker set or not...they don't require shields to heal if they are suddenly faced with them.

It's a counter, to an abused game mechanic... that's all it is. And anyone doing it got off the hook very easily... this affects shield stackers more than anyone.. the longer you have shields spamming the longer you'll take 2k~ damage and that will add up over time... causing the shield stacker to either keep spamming shields, flee, or actually fight.

I used the term nuke in regards to how specific the changes were, they weren't precise an changed a few things. And for your group healers, do none of them use healing ward? Also I think maybe once I had used two shields at once, maybe. Right now off the top of my head about 3 of my characters have no shields slotted and the rest either have 1 or only have frost staff shields. But regardless of that, it still removes incentive to work with allies and use synergies, since once someone with this set shows up i'll bet they will make the most of your poorly timed shielding.

In PVP when we have a healer, we care more about our health than shields. Sure a shield is nice.. A... SHIELD. If someone with shield breaker comes over when I have a shield what would I do? Well for starters seeing health deplete while a shield is up is a very obvious sign... what else would you need flashing signs? So, I take damage.... I'd use a stun and distance myself but I certainly wouldn't keep re-applying shields and I don't know a healer that is actually experienced in healing and is up-to-date on this game that would be spamming shields instead of spamming heals. This isn't a problem for groups. This is a problem for shield-stackers.

75% of my characters use shields. But only 1 each. So why do I not care for this? Ah that's right, I don't rely on stacking shields as I already know it's about as cheap of a mechanic as you can abuse. This is going to remind people who actually is skilled and who is not because they will be forced to fight others or flee instead of entering God-mode when faced with less than 3-5 people who aren't shield-stacking.

Healers don't need to spam healing ward to get you killed. One ward when they quickly spot an allies health dropping and you could be as good as dead, not time to react, no time to spot the person with the set to stun them, no time to delay until the ward goes away. Templars can burst heal well but for other classes this shield seems to be a popular choice, but now that it could just end up getting someone killed.

You seem to think i'm going on about shield stacking and shield spamming and i'm not, there are many ways you can easily get a shield and with it someone with this set can bypass all your defenses to deal raw damage very quickly and unless you are very attentive or have an addon for it you'll likely take a beating once someone with this set gets an eye on your shields, it'll only require the set to become common. And with how many people are lining up to get their revenge against the class they hate so much I doubt there will be a shortage of them.

He is simply stating there is a counter now to 1v x God mode sorcs. In group, there is no difference as you have dedicated healers. Sorcs are angry because it is extremely difficult to 1vx now. Like the rest of us now. 1.6 was your time in the sun.
Start grouping now. You are no longer tanky cannons without a counter. Happens to everyone when a god mode build is found

Every time I see this I realize there is nothing that I can say that'll change peoples minds. Yes, yes, get revenge on the evil sorcerer's who use what survival tools they have and what build they are more or less forced into because you want it. Go out, ignore all the flaws that this quickly thought out and poorly implemented set has by remembering this, its time to get payback, and that's all that matters now, who needs balance when you can rotate the fotm and reverse the purpose of shields in game?

Did I say revenge? No. I don't deny a sorc needs survival tools. But 1.6 was way over the top. If you don't see that then I don't know what to say. Sorcs had no weakness once cp's made it possible to be able to not run out of stam

Thats the point. The whole topic was about finding solutions to deal with shieldstacking and to keep the set as a vaible counter to those players doing it.
Nobody reasonalby arguing here wanted to keep the status quo. The argument was about the current implementation of the set being lackluster and poorly thoughtout.

Sharee

Derra wrote: »

Thats the point. The whole topic was about finding solutions to deal with shieldstacking and to keep the set as a vaible counter to those players doing it.
Nobody reasonalby arguing here wanted to keep the status quo. The argument was about the current implementation of the set being lackluster and poorly thoughtout.

In my opinion, instead of a specialized set, certain damage types should naturally ignore shields.

Similar to how certain abilities ignore roll dodge(radiant destruction, velocious curse, AOE damage etc.), shields could be ignored by, say, dots(twin slashes, caltrops, burning embers etc.)

Shields would no longer provide total damage immunity, while still protecting against burst (DOTS generally arnen't bursty)

Of course it is not as simple as this, for example currently dots are too easily purged, but something in this direction could work.

Derra

Sharee wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Thats the point. The whole topic was about finding solutions to deal with shieldstacking and to keep the set as a vaible counter to those players doing it.
Nobody reasonalby arguing here wanted to keep the status quo. The argument was about the current implementation of the set being lackluster and poorly thoughtout.

In my opinion, instead of a specialized set, certain damage types should naturally ignore shields.

Similar to how certain abilities ignore roll dodge(radiant destruction, velocious curse, AOE damage etc.), shields could be ignored by, say, dots(twin slashes, caltrops, burning embers etc.)

Shields would no longer provide total damage immunity, while still protecting against burst (DOTS generally arnen't bursty)

Of course it is not as simple as this, for example currently dots are too easily purged, but something in this direction could work.

That could defninetly work - still sorcs would have the problem of not having access to healing of any form that is NOT casttime based or rgn dependant...

The class is simply not designed well and has two vaible routes of skilling for magica both relying on their classshield as their main defense. I personally think the class does need a rework at it´s very core mechanics.

Darnathian

Derra wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

But the set penalizes anyone who uses any number of shields, and even those near shield users or who synergize with shield giving skills. It is a blanket nuking when a smaller more specific change would have, you know, worked a lot better.

No, it's not a nuking. People are still shielding like crazy and let's be honest you aren't worried about someone getting randomly shielded. You're worried about not being able to shield stack.

None of my regular group healers give a s*** whether there's a shield breaker set or not...they don't require shields to heal if they are suddenly faced with them.

It's a counter, to an abused game mechanic... that's all it is. And anyone doing it got off the hook very easily... this affects shield stackers more than anyone.. the longer you have shields spamming the longer you'll take 2k~ damage and that will add up over time... causing the shield stacker to either keep spamming shields, flee, or actually fight.

I used the term nuke in regards to how specific the changes were, they weren't precise an changed a few things. And for your group healers, do none of them use healing ward? Also I think maybe once I had used two shields at once, maybe. Right now off the top of my head about 3 of my characters have no shields slotted and the rest either have 1 or only have frost staff shields. But regardless of that, it still removes incentive to work with allies and use synergies, since once someone with this set shows up i'll bet they will make the most of your poorly timed shielding.

In PVP when we have a healer, we care more about our health than shields. Sure a shield is nice.. A... SHIELD. If someone with shield breaker comes over when I have a shield what would I do? Well for starters seeing health deplete while a shield is up is a very obvious sign... what else would you need flashing signs? So, I take damage.... I'd use a stun and distance myself but I certainly wouldn't keep re-applying shields and I don't know a healer that is actually experienced in healing and is up-to-date on this game that would be spamming shields instead of spamming heals. This isn't a problem for groups. This is a problem for shield-stackers.

75% of my characters use shields. But only 1 each. So why do I not care for this? Ah that's right, I don't rely on stacking shields as I already know it's about as cheap of a mechanic as you can abuse. This is going to remind people who actually is skilled and who is not because they will be forced to fight others or flee instead of entering God-mode when faced with less than 3-5 people who aren't shield-stacking.

Healers don't need to spam healing ward to get you killed. One ward when they quickly spot an allies health dropping and you could be as good as dead, not time to react, no time to spot the person with the set to stun them, no time to delay until the ward goes away. Templars can burst heal well but for other classes this shield seems to be a popular choice, but now that it could just end up getting someone killed.

You seem to think i'm going on about shield stacking and shield spamming and i'm not, there are many ways you can easily get a shield and with it someone with this set can bypass all your defenses to deal raw damage very quickly and unless you are very attentive or have an addon for it you'll likely take a beating once someone with this set gets an eye on your shields, it'll only require the set to become common. And with how many people are lining up to get their revenge against the class they hate so much I doubt there will be a shortage of them.

He is simply stating there is a counter now to 1v x God mode sorcs. In group, there is no difference as you have dedicated healers. Sorcs are angry because it is extremely difficult to 1vx now. Like the rest of us now. 1.6 was your time in the sun.
Start grouping now. You are no longer tanky cannons without a counter. Happens to everyone when a god mode build is found

Every time I see this I realize there is nothing that I can say that'll change peoples minds. Yes, yes, get revenge on the evil sorcerer's who use what survival tools they have and what build they are more or less forced into because you want it. Go out, ignore all the flaws that this quickly thought out and poorly implemented set has by remembering this, its time to get payback, and that's all that matters now, who needs balance when you can rotate the fotm and reverse the purpose of shields in game?

Did I say revenge? No. I don't deny a sorc needs survival tools. But 1.6 was way over the top. If you don't see that then I don't know what to say. Sorcs had no weakness once cp's made it possible to be able to not run out of stam

Thats the point. The whole topic was about finding solutions to deal with shieldstacking and to keep the set as a vaible counter to those players doing it.
Nobody reasonalby arguing here wanted to keep the status quo. The argument was about the current implementation of the set being lackluster and poorly thoughtout.

I agree. Remove shield breaker set. Remove shield stacking. Problem solved.

Darnathian

Sharee wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Thats the point. The whole topic was about finding solutions to deal with shieldstacking and to keep the set as a vaible counter to those players doing it.
Nobody reasonalby arguing here wanted to keep the status quo. The argument was about the current implementation of the set being lackluster and poorly thoughtout.

In my opinion, instead of a specialized set, certain damage types should naturally ignore shields.

Similar to how certain abilities ignore roll dodge(radiant destruction, velocious curse, AOE damage etc.), shields could be ignored by, say, dots(twin slashes, caltrops, burning embers etc.)

Shields would no longer provide total damage immunity, while still protecting against burst (DOTS generally arnen't bursty)

Of course it is not as simple as this, for example currently dots are too easily purged, but something in this direction could work.

100% agree. Dot builds are useless. Burst is way better. Makes magicka dk's useless. Nerfed class shield and self heal. So we can't out sustain anymore. Dk is dead

Derra

Darnathian wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Thats the point. The whole topic was about finding solutions to deal with shieldstacking and to keep the set as a vaible counter to those players doing it.
Nobody reasonalby arguing here wanted to keep the status quo. The argument was about the current implementation of the set being lackluster and poorly thoughtout.

In my opinion, instead of a specialized set, certain damage types should naturally ignore shields.

Similar to how certain abilities ignore roll dodge(radiant destruction, velocious curse, AOE damage etc.), shields could be ignored by, say, dots(twin slashes, caltrops, burning embers etc.)

Shields would no longer provide total damage immunity, while still protecting against burst (DOTS generally arnen't bursty)

Of course it is not as simple as this, for example currently dots are too easily purged, but something in this direction could work.

100% agree. Dot builds are useless. Burst is way better. Makes magicka dk's useless. Nerfed class shield and self heal. So we can't out sustain anymore. Dk is dead

Magica DKs are pretty good right now in imperial city. Deep breath and flamelash exploit heal for a lot when used in combination with igneous shield.
Still dk is not really a solo / roaming class. They still depend on support. For a grp i´d take a dk over a sorc any day of the week though.

Lucky28

Since yesterday i've been coming up against this set alot. still don't understand why people use it, against any sorc worth his salt this set is nothing more than a minor irritant (still have not died to this set) but regardless it should not exist as it is. Would be better if it only worked on people using more than one shield (since that is what people normally complain about) if at, still don't like this set.

ThisOnePosts

Lucky28 wrote: »

Since yesterday i've been coming up against this set alot. still don't understand why people use it, against any sorc worth his salt this set is nothing more than a minor irritant (still have not died to this set) but regardless it should exist as it is. Would be better if it only worked on people using more than one shield (since that is what people normally complain about) if at, still don't like this set.

Agreed. The only times that I've used this set and people died to it specifically and not my other attacks, are when they refuse to stop shield stacking since apparently that's all they know. It's meant to deter it. It's definitely a L2P issue. It's separating the skilled from the unskilled who thought they were skilled because they saw a Youtube video on how to shield stack and survive incredible odds.

When I encounter good Sorcs, they seem to play how I would play mine. They stop using shields and start fighting. Others choose to flee but that's always going to be a common thing for Sorcs since Bolt Escape is the best escape in the game.

Mist Form is okay but only if you are a Magicka user and can spam it. Cloak, same thing.. but you need to hit a speed boost first. Bolt Escape is still leagues better than anything else for escapes even with the changes to it.

Lucky28

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Since yesterday i've been coming up against this set alot. still don't understand why people use it, against any sorc worth his salt this set is nothing more than a minor irritant (still have not died to this set) but regardless it should exist as it is. Would be better if it only worked on people using more than one shield (since that is what people normally complain about) if at, still don't like this set.

Agreed. The only times that I've used this set and people died to it specifically and not my other attacks, are when they refuse to stop shield stacking since apparently that's all they know. It's meant to deter it. It's definitely a L2P issue. It's separating the skilled from the unskilled who thought they were skilled because they saw a Youtube video on how to shield stack and survive incredible odds.

When I encounter good Sorcs, they seem to play how I would play mine. They stop using shields and start fighting. Others choose to flee but that's always going to be a common thing for Sorcs since Bolt Escape is the best escape in the game.

Mist Form is okay but only if you are a Magicka user and can spam it. Cloak, same thing.. but you need to hit a speed boost first. Bolt Escape is still leagues better than anything else for escapes even with the changes to it.

That was a typo. meant it shouldn't exist. it's a bull set to add to the game. which is why i get rather Sadistic when i run into people using this set and toy with them before i kill them.