So my subscription has 2 weeks left. Last plea for a better ESO+.

Elsonso · May 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

This isn't a F2P MMO. You had to purchase the "box" so to speak. There is an initial outlay of money to be able to download/install the game, thus it is not F2P.

I suggest you go check out Craptic...err...Cryptic games and three titles of theirs. Three IP's that they totally ruined, imnsho.

Champions Online.
Star Trek Online.
Neverwinter.

All three of those intellectual properties have been totally ruined by the company by making them F2P. Costs you absolutely nothing to be able to download any of them or even all of them.

Go ahead, I double dog dare you. Play those games and then come back here and suggest that anything in this thread is an abomination that you are "sick of hearing about".

Go and experience for yourself how badly a game developer can ruin things. We've got it pretty good here right now, but there is room for improvement...which is what we all want. Improvement.

I've played all three.

Didn't like Champions.
Was m'eh about Star Trek, but thought the way they handled the transition from Ship based adventures to Away Team based adventures was well done. The store wasn't too intrusive at least as far as I played.

Love Neverwinter - but especially the Foundry. I have had an adventure I designed featured and have a trilogy that is highly rated by those who have played it. Again the store wasn't too intrusive, but more so than in Star Trek. I left when they failed to deliver promised Foundry updates. Of course with Foundry tips (Astral Diamonds) being able to be converted in to Zen (store currency) I had no need to part with real-world cash to get what I needed from the Foundry. I'll freely admit that the very best Foundry adventures (top 15% or so) were miles better than the officially designed game content.

I think a major title like ESO or LOTRO could benefit from similar functionality - the pressure on DEVs to deliver "new content" is lessened because there are, literally, hundreds of new quests added every day, and some of them were many times better than the DEV created content in terms of story-telling, immersion, and the level of combat competence needed to complete them.

All The Best

Playing Neverwinter before ESO comes to Xbox One - it's a fun game that's absolutely ruined by the UI and the insistent marketing. I'll never pay them a dime because they feel the need to tell me that some jerk opened a lockbox ACROSS MY SCREEN. Worse yet, they feel the need to not allow me to ignore this. While Neverwinter is an ok game in terms of gameplay, the cash shop and advertisement is atrocious. It's a perfect illustration of what's wrong with free to play.

isnt it a bit exaggerating? its the same as eso announcing scroll taken or drop, after a week, who cares? its ridiculous point it as argument against a game

If you are in a Campaign you care about, this is important information. Less important if you are not in the Campaign at the time. I could see filtering it outside of Cyrodiil, but inside, this is news you should know.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2015

Nerio wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Well, I'm officially done.

I got official word from Zos that if you are a VR14 you can group with ANY level players in ANY level scaled instance and loot every boss, but if you are a lower VR you have to group within your own level range AND the dungeon has to be scaled to the same level....or you can't loot a single boss.

So if you're V14 you can do easy dungeons and get cruddy loot, and if you're V1 and getting carried by a V14 you don't get loot?

Why would you expect that to be different? Why should someone playing an already easy game on easy mode expect to get meaningful rewards?

The sense of entitlement in this thread is disappointing.

This. Had you asked (playerbase) first, @olemanwinter , they would have told you you can still loot, so long as you've contributed enough healing/damage. That's only if the next highest VR is a full 4 levels above you.

You could have grouped 3 levels above your own and gotten loot regardless (at least until they realized you were just there...)

VincentBlanquin · May 2015

of course i mean if you are outside of campaign. and btw this message is a lot less annoying in neverwinter that at eso. and at the end, find proper arguments against games and not that omg there are lockboxes everywhere. who really care? i am collecting them, they look good at alt inventory. if someone like to ride a stockpig, let him, its only more fun killing him

immersion? well there is not a lot to talk about, since they started with that silly any race any alliance ...

Gandrhulf_Harbard · May 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

immersion? well there is not a lot to talk about, since they started with that silly any race any alliance ...

Are you saying that no Nord, or Breton, or Orc, or anyone else for that matter has ever betrayed their alliance and switched faction.

Any Race / Any Alliance is 100% more immersive than strict 3 races per faction.

All The Best

Gidorick · May 2015

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

immersion? well there is not a lot to talk about, since they started with that silly any race any alliance ...

Are you saying that no Nord, or Breton, or Orc, or anyone else for that matter has ever betrayed their alliance and switched faction.

Any Race / Any Alliance is 100% more immersive than strict 3 races per faction.

All The Best

Would be cool if we got a buff or bonus for playing in the "correct" alliance though.

VincentBlanquin · May 2015

exactly, i like that bonus idea. of course there are traitors, but tell me how many wood elf will play EP or DC when race change is possible, couse of stamina regen? how many bretons should play, are play, EP and AD for magicka bonuses. a lot, and thats the point

Gandrhulf_Harbard · May 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Would be cool if we got a buff or bonus for playing in the "correct" alliance though.

Yeah, I can go with that.

All The Best

olemanwinter · May 2015

Nerio wrote: »

So if you're V14 you can do easy dungeons and get cruddy loot, and if you're V1 and getting carried by a V14 you don't get loot?

Why would you expect that to be different? Why should someone playing an already easy game on easy mode expect to get meaningful rewards?

The sense of entitlement in this thread is disappointing.

So, all day long VR14s take a single VR1 character so they can just roll through and get their gold key without the slightest effort. But if you have 3 VR1 characters and 1 VR7 healer....you shouldn't get ANYTHING...all bosses are completely unlootable.

Nonsense. ESPECIALLY in a game where grouping is so ridiculously annoying and everyone is only interested in grinding up to max VR.

Nerio · May 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Nerio wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Well, I'm officially done.

I got official word from Zos that if you are a VR14 you can group with ANY level players in ANY level scaled instance and loot every boss, but if you are a lower VR you have to group within your own level range AND the dungeon has to be scaled to the same level....or you can't loot a single boss.

So if you're V14 you can do easy dungeons and get cruddy loot, and if you're V1 and getting carried by a V14 you don't get loot?

Why would you expect that to be different? Why should someone playing an already easy game on easy mode expect to get meaningful rewards?

The sense of entitlement in this thread is disappointing.

You are wrong. Ive tested it many times. Running it with 3 lower VR with dungeon scaled to their level and 1 higher. None could loot any bosses.

What you are describing us the way it used to be. Something is different/ broken.

Zos themselves indicate as much in their messages to me.

Ive tested this with many dif players in dif roles in dif dungeons on dif days. In all instances none...NONE.. of the lower gr8 character were Ever able loot any boss.

How can I be wrong when I was asking you a series of questions?

Why do you think you deserve meaningful rewards for being carried through activities by someone who is significantly higher level than you? Run the dungeon with 4 people within a couple veteran ranks of you. If you don't get loot then, then there is an actual problem.

olemanwinter · May 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Had you asked (playerbase) first, @olemanwinter , they would have told you you can still loot, so long as you've contributed enough healing/damage. That's only if the next highest VR is a full 4 levels above you.

You could have grouped 3 levels above your own and gotten loot regardless (at least until they realized you were just there...)

That is incorrect. What you are describing is how I remember it being, how perhaps it was. That is no longer the case. It has either changed or is broken.

I tested this SEVERAL TIMES. In a few cases with 3 lower VR characters in a dungeons scaled to their level and a single higher VR character of a class other than DPS. No one other than the higher VR character was EVER...EVER..able to loot ANY bosses.

You take three VR 2's (2 dps, 1 tank) and one VR9 healer, and nobody except the VR9 is EVER able to loot ANY boss.

Don't tell me it's DPS based. It's not. That may be an additional variable that COULD stop one from getting loot, but I'm pretty sure that's the case at any level.

It's entirely beside the point. And Zos's own correspondence with me indicates as much.

They say anytime you are grouped with people outside your level range you won't get loot......except it's only working on lower VR characters. Higher VR characters can always loot. They say...working as intended.

I have a VR14, a VR9, a VR2, and a VR1. That's total crap. Something either broke or was changed on purpose.

And since I'm not going to sit and wait an hour to get a group VR1-4, and I have no more patience to grind up like everyone else, and since I'm not a roleplayer...I'm done.

Ysne58 · May 2015

I'll still play. That 10% experience gain makes me even more over leveled in 1 through 50. I still have not seen any good reason to stay subscribed. I have cancelled it because ZOS has not earned the right to ask for charity. This makes me sad. I really, really wanted to find a reason to continue to subscribe. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Bouvin · May 2015

Nerio wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Well, I'm officially done.

I got official word from Zos that if you are a VR14 you can group with ANY level players in ANY level scaled instance and loot every boss, but if you are a lower VR you have to group within your own level range AND the dungeon has to be scaled to the same level....or you can't loot a single boss.

So if you're V14 you can do easy dungeons and get cruddy loot, and if you're V1 and getting carried by a V14 you don't get loot?

Why would you expect that to be different? Why should someone playing an already easy game on easy mode expect to get meaningful rewards?

The sense of entitlement in this thread is disappointing.

Why, because ZoS isn't smart enough to make the boss loot scale by player level when you're under level of scale?

What if i'm VR3 and group lead is vr7? Dungeon will scale to VR7, but I'm not exactly getting carried at that point.

olemanwinter · May 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

What if i'm VR3 and group lead is vr7? Dungeon will scale to VR7, but I'm not exactly getting carried at that point.

That's actually when I noticed it at first. I theory crafted an amazing tank build.

So, I went to a VR5 scaled gold pledge run of Elden Root (one of the harder gold pledges) as a VR1 tank.

I GOT NO LOOT.

Nobody carried me through that dungeon. The group had to be convinced to take me and was surprised I was up to the task. I never died, and in fact nobody ever died.

VR5 DPS, VR5 healer, VR7 DPS.....and me as tank as VR1. Got no loot. Why? Cause Zos logic.

Ysne58 · May 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

What if i'm VR3 and group lead is vr7? Dungeon will scale to VR7, but I'm not exactly getting carried at that point.

That's actually when I noticed it at first. I theory crafted an amazing tank build.

So, I went to a VR5 scaled gold pledge run of Elden Root (one of the harder gold pledges) as a VR1 tank.

I GOT NO LOOT.

Nobody carried me through that dungeon. The group had to be convinced to take me and was surprised I was up to the task. I never died, and in fact nobody ever died.

VR5 DPS, VR5 healer, VR7 DPS.....and me as tank as VR1. Got no loot. Why? Cause Zos logic.

You guys need to create a separate topic for this. This issue is off topic for this thread.

Talrenos · May 2015

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi guys, there's some very constructive discussion in this thread, but some of the posts are rather inflammatory or otherwise problematic. Please be mindful of the forum rules, and keep all comments and criticism civil and constructive. We will not tolerate trolling, demands, abusive or insulting language toward our community members, developers, company, or ESO itself.

Oh yeah? well we will not tolerate poor game concepts, crappy programming, Server side lag in PvP, broken quests, poor mechanics for grouping, lack of an AH that's worth a damn, laughable banking system, and inability to fix the issues. I'm with the OP; this game blows and is simply not getting any better.

Parrotbrain · May 2015

Well, I recently started playing another MMO that I have heard good things about. I started as a F2P player, but within a day I liked it so much that I took out a 3-month subscription option! Granted, the graphics and game world don't look as good as in ESO, but the gameplay I find vastly superior. It also offers significant benefits to subscribers. If it weren't for the wonderful friends I have made playing this game, I probably would've stopped logging in by now. Currently there are a lot of other good games out there that I can rather spend my time on rather than just doing stale 6-month+ old content day in and day out. If the devs of ESO can just get it right then ESO has the possibility to become one of the best MMOs out there in my opinion.

olemanwinter · May 2015

Parrotbrain wrote: »

Well, I recently started playing another MMO that I have heard good things about. I started as a F2P player, but within a day I liked it so much that I took out a 3-month subscription option! Granted, the graphics and game world don't look as good as in ESO, but the gameplay I find vastly superior. It also offers significant benefits to subscribers. If it weren't for the wonderful friends I have made playing this game, I probably would've stopped logging in by now. Currently there are a lot of other good games out there that I can rather spend my time on rather than just doing stale 6-month+ old content day in and day out. If the devs of ESO can just get it right then ESO has the possibility to become one of the best MMOs out there in my opinion.

Please tell me which. Very interested in finding something new.

Gidorick · May 2015

I recently noticed that Archeage's sub benefits have been given a bit of an upgrade...

And I've been thinking about The Secret World's subscription too...

Those Exclusive Items and Store Discounts are really enticing.

When compared to what ESO+ gives you...

There's just no doubt that ESO+ is lacking... Now, that being said... The Secret World doesn't give subscribers access to their Expansions (They call Issues, like a comic!)... so the more DLC that comes out for ESO, the more enticing the Subscription will become. Right now, there's just not much to make a person go "yea! That's worth it!"

Elsonso · May 2015

Parrotbrain wrote: »

If the devs of ESO can just get it right then ESO has the possibility to become one of the best MMOs out there in my opinion.

ESO is a great game held back by a development studio that does not have enough resources on hand. The issue is not one of really getting it right, because I do think that the ZOS team has the talent to do ESO, but I think they just don't have enough of them.

Makkir · May 2015

At about fifteen bucks per month, I would suggest making adjustments in your budget (cancel HBO like I did and use movietube.org instead) and go with the ESO + membership to fund the game we love so we can continue playing tomorrow.
Having played almost every major MMO title out there, I find this game a great vacation from the others that is remarkably beautiful and engaging...despite the downsides. But I CHOOSE to ignore them, and continue supporting the company that provides the game I enjoy. If they don't make money, I won't be able to play it anymore...

I might be old fashioned, but people really need to get out of the "What are you going to do for me" mindset.

Gidorick · May 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Parrotbrain wrote: »

If the devs of ESO can just get it right then ESO has the possibility to become one of the best MMOs out there in my opinion.

ESO is a great game held back by a development studio that does not have enough resources on hand. The issue is not one of really getting it right, because I do think that the ZOS team has the talent to do ESO, but I think they just don't have enough of them.

I would take this one step further. I would say ESO is a great game held back by the Media Company which owns the Development Studio. ESO's growth has been stunted by a flipping monetization ideology and the need to release on consoles.

The team that has worked on ESO for the past year doesn't seem to be the same team that made the game we're playing. If ZOS were given the freedom to make ESO we would get some really amazing content. I'm crossing my fingers for ESO after Console release. I really want to see what they can do when all that is in front of them is the development of this wonderful game.

When that content starts to release... I might very well re-subscribe. We shall see.

olemanwinter · May 2015

Makkir wrote: »

At about fifteen bucks per month, I would suggest making adjustments in your budget (cancel HBO like I did and use movietube.org instead) and go with the ESO + membership to fund the game we love so we can continue playing tomorrow.

LOL. I don't love this game. I hate it. I kind of enjoy it sometimes but I mostly hate it. I said so earlier (maybe a different thread). It's like some compulsion you get some perverse enjoyment from but hate that you do....like biting your nails.

I don't play with anyone that loves this game. None of us like it....but we are all still here. We can't really say why....but it can't go on forever. And it doesn't. Many have left.

Makkir wrote: »

I might be old fashioned, but people really need to get out of the "What are you going to do for me" mindset.

Are you serious? I don't know anyone at Zenimax. My kids don't play with their kids. We don't go to church together.

They are a business supplying a product for a price.

You are suggesting people pay money to a corporation without asking what they are providing for the money. lol

Gidorick · May 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

You are suggesting people pay money to a corporation without asking what they are providing for the money. lol

I did it for a year... out of good faith and pretty much every single justification that was given to us for the subscription fee was completely abandoned.

In my very first post on this forum I stated that

Gidorick wrote:

Alright, Zenimax Online! We've bought the game and signed up for the subscriptions now it's time to show us why the money is worth it!

They very flatly did not hold up their side of this transaction. Now I will pay for the content they make... not the content they have yet to make. I didn't want to do business this way. ZOS made this decision. I'm just following suit.

olemanwinter · May 2015

Gidorick,

I don't know if you have kids, but often times parents will pay their kids for work. Chores for allowance. And it never fails that kids will ask for their allowance in advance of the chores. And if you agree, it never fails they will not do the chores on time and in full.

In rhetrospect this game probably should have failed outright at launch. But too many of us thought it would be something different/special/ and/or had affection for TES series and let it color our judgement.

Gidorick · May 2015

LOL @olemanwinter. You are so right. I remember doing that a few decades ago with my parents.

And my affection for the TES series is the only... I repeat... the ONLY reason I'm playing ESO. If this game was in any other world than Nirn, I would have never even given it a second look.

helediron · May 2015

Well said @olemanwinter . From now on it's money only after ZOS actually delivers a DLC. Last christmas was the proper time for new area. Now it is just like with kids - time to get firm and to stop giving leeway.

It looks like one of these is happening in ZOS:
- They follow a rigid two year business plan to maximize profits. They anticipated PC sub loyalty lasts upto one year. Consoles last to next christmas. Then switch to maintenance mode and put everything on sale in crown shop.
- They have serious quality issues or too small teams. Console project got too big. Everything else was stopped and no DLC is ready and they need another half year to make it. Switch to B2P because subs will get angry and because consoles.

Heromofo · May 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I recently noticed that Archeage's sub benefits have been given a bit of an upgrade...

And I've been thinking about The Secret World's subscription too...

Those Exclusive Items and Store Discounts are really enticing.

When compared to what ESO+ gives you...

There's just no doubt that ESO+ is lacking... Now, that being said... The Secret World doesn't give subscribers access to their Expansions (They call Issues, like a comic!)... so the more DLC that comes out for ESO, the more enticing the Subscription will become. Right now, there's just not much to make a person go "yea! That's worth it!"

We are fighting for a better eso plus but we cannot get zos to comment on it at all this time they are dead silent on the matter.

Ysne58 · May 2015

I'll resub when it's worth it for me to do so. The crowns offered by the sub are more expensive than the best pack one can purchase for cash. They have failed to keep so many promises they have either made outright, or implied. At the moment this isn't worth $13.00 (6 month) sub for me.

olsborg · May 2015

I have 2 weeks left on my sub now, I cant justify resubbing. The only real benefit for me is the 10% xp bonus, but that aint worth it in the end. I need and want a better ESO+ before I will resub.

SorataArisugawa · May 2015

Talrenos wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi guys, there's some very constructive discussion in this thread, but some of the posts are rather inflammatory or otherwise problematic. Please be mindful of the forum rules, and keep all comments and criticism civil and constructive. We will not tolerate trolling, demands, abusive or insulting language toward our community members, developers, company, or ESO itself.

Oh yeah? well we will not tolerate poor game concepts, crappy programming, Server side lag in PvP, broken quests, poor mechanics for grouping, lack of an AH that's worth a damn, laughable banking system, and inability to fix the issues. I'm with the OP; this game blows and is simply not getting any better.

Poor game concepts? Lack of AH? Laughable banking system? :-D You are sooo damn wrong.
That is all you little biased opinion (alonge with some othere crybabies here in the thread). If you don't like the game (or don't like it anymore) than go away. A rant in this form here in the forums will change nothing. And your opinion stated in this way is worth nothing, too. You are lucky, that they have to be nice to their "custumers". So they tolerate very hyperbolic, useless, agressiv, self-referred and close minded comments from you and some others here...

I hope this thread is going to get closed. I thought the annoying people will come with the P2P change. But it seems that they were here all the time...