Major issues with the game - by Angry Joe

Squints

Jeremy wrote: »

Chanz wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Chanz wrote: »

I would not have given this garbage they have served us even a 5 out of 10.

I do not hate the game.

I have a hard time reconciling these two statements in your post.

If you're going to troll, then please do it properly.

Thanks.

I'm not trolling Chanz.

I'm pointing out your post seems very hateful towards the game despite your claim that you don't hate the game.

Calling the game garbage goes outside the bounds of normal criticism and demonstrates to me some very strong negative emotions ^^

I really wondered why people think criticism and liking something are mutually exclusive concepts. If you like something don't you want it to be better? In order for it to be better, you need to point out what is wrong, right?

Edit: Calling something that is garbage isn't going outside the bounds of normal criticism because when things you would expect to work properly (forget the bugs, forget the duping, forget the bots, forget the spammers, forget the exploits, forget the CSR, but ONLY focus on the PvE Main Quest that doesn't work) ya I would think garbage is a good sum up of the current state

Etchesketch

Some of you may not understand his review... he isn't trying to review a game for people already playing.

When he says stuff like you have to pay 20 for the CE, he means if you plan to buy the game now. There are no more pre order bonus' like some have said.

His review is dead on.

I like the game, but it's just not ready and what's there is just not that good.

There is no immersion if you play with a partner or friends. It's just silly for an MMO.

Soul_of_Wrath

Excellent video review thanks for posting it. I have to pretty much agree with most of Angry's points and definitely agree that the game is average and doesn't "feel" like an Elder Scroll game.

I tried to play this game grouped with a friend but the dungeon experience is terrible. Since the dungeons are public they are full of people killing everything before you can even get to it and then the boss is camped by a ton of bots. So not worth the money I spent.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

ZomZom wrote: »

Honestly, I wish all the people who claim to hate this game would just leave.

I have a strong feeling a lot of those people will leave after those 30 days.

And when enough of them leave, f2p will rear its head as there wont be enough players to justify a sub model.

Etchesketch

The game breaking public dungeons and the lack of respect/response from ZoS is the game killer. People will not stay with the game.

Perhaps the fans of this game will be happy with a low, stagnant community, but an MMO has to grow. People can get past the mediocre graphics, the bugged quests, the everything...

What they can't get past is not being able to play with friends and going to public dungeons to find them completely camped by bots.

It's astonishing to me that ZoS has done nothing to rid the game of these bots. Nothing.

Even if it's a temp fix ZoS, put a timer of an hour on killing any spawn in the public dungeons. Not saying this should be the perm fix, but you need to do something 2 weeks ago. Today/Tomorrow is already probably too late.

Soul_of_Wrath

ZomZom wrote: »

Honestly, I wish all the people who claim to hate this game would just leave.

Oh they will. There is no way IMO that this game sustains more than 400,000 subs. Hopefully for ESO they made enough money off the box sales to keep the servers up until they can get their F2P strategy figured out. However, I think they just might be arrogant enough to not have a plan.

Laura

Etchesketch wrote: »

Even if it's a temp fix ZoS, put a timer of an hour on killing any spawn in the public dungeons. Not saying this should be the perm fix, but you need to do something 2 weeks ago. Today/Tomorrow is already probably too late.

they did and thats how it should have been to begin with.

Delte

Simple solution to the public dungeon bosses.

Once that character has the achievement for killing that boss then they get no more loot drops from it. Only the standard gold which is usually 1 or 2 gold pieces.

This would put a stop to all the Bots in public dungeons and stop people farming there.

Holycannoli

Etchesketch wrote: »

Some of you may not understand his review... he isn't trying to review a game for people already playing.

When he says stuff like you have to pay 20 for the CE, he means if you plan to buy the game now. There are no more pre order bonus' like some have said.

His review is dead on.

I like the game, but it's just not ready and what's there is just not that good.

There is no immersion if you play with a partner or friends. It's just silly for an MMO.

But he's been complaining about the imperial edition since it was first announced. Before that he was complaining about the subscription model. Two months later he's still complaining about both.

At this point he's looking for things to complain about, like not enough enemy mobs spawning to give it a massive invasion feel. Yeah some of his complaints are legitimate but he's been rooting for ESO to fail ever since it was announced it would be subscription. He wants the game to be just like Skyrim including the graphics, with massive, epic PVE and PVP content that a good amount of MMO players could never experience because their computers couldn't handle it, and be free. To me that's not "angry", that's delusional. I don't think he understands that many "free to play" MMOs actually wind up costing more than subscription games, and if you think problems like bots and gold spammers are bad now wait till the game is free.

I'm enjoying the game. I don't play with friends (they have things like careers and families and crap) and so I don't worry about grouping for regular world content. This game fits me well. I group for dungeons, solo above ground content, PVP when I want to and it's fun.

Etchesketch

Holycannoli wrote: »

Etchesketch wrote: »

Some of you may not understand his review... he isn't trying to review a game for people already playing.

When he says stuff like you have to pay 20 for the CE, he means if you plan to buy the game now. There are no more pre order bonus' like some have said.

His review is dead on.

I like the game, but it's just not ready and what's there is just not that good.

There is no immersion if you play with a partner or friends. It's just silly for an MMO.

But he's been complaining about the imperial edition since it was first announced. Before that he was complaining about the subscription model. Two months later he's still complaining about both.

At this point he's looking for things to complain about, like not enough enemy mobs spawning to give it a massive invasion feel. Yeah some of his complaints are legitimate but he's been rooting for ESO to fail ever since it was announced it would be subscription. He wants the game to be just like Skyrim including the graphics, with massive, epic PVE and PVP content that a good amount of MMO players could never experience because their computers couldn't handle it, and be free. To me that's not "angry", that's delusional. I don't think he understands that many "free to play" MMOs actually wind up costing more than subscription games, and if you think problems like bots and gold spammers are bad now wait till the game is free.

I'm enjoying the game. I don't play with friends (they have things like careers and families and crap) and so I don't worry about grouping for regular world content. This game fits me well. I group for dungeons, solo above ground content, PVP when I want to and it's fun.

Happy for you. If you want the game to succeed though, you need to think past your own narrow field of play and think of what will attract new players to the game.

If you are looking for a game with very low subscription numbers and will be happy as long as YOU get to play, then by all means... keep on truckin and don't try to get the devs to fix the problems.

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

ENAK wrote: »

Hi,

Joe's review of ESO is up (I'm sure others posted the link but here it is again, just for measure): Here...

The review shows what's wrong with the game... Seems most people agree, judging by the comments and thumbs up on the vid.

Also... Why is there no easily accessible open forum here?!? It's hidden somewhere in the category map - level 3 or 4 as if to discourage discussion or something...

Sorry but Angry Joe's word is hardly one that carries weight with everyone, in fact I am yet to see a single thing he has ever done that was worth sitting through. Likewise his fans, to say everyone seems to agree with him based on his comments is flaw. 1) since when has anyone really said anything nice on youtube ever 2) the only people who would take time posting comments on his page are those who support his "style"

People seem to think the numbers of subscribers people have is somehow a sign of their importance. Thats like saying Fox News is a valued and balanced source in the world of news just because it has heaps of viewers. Hardly.

badmojo

It's kind of funny, I played the beta for about 5 levels, wasn't impressed, didn't care to play anymore. Then I stumbled onto Angry Joes PVP impressions video and it got me hooked and I even pre-ordered, which I'm usually totally against. The game isn't perfect, but I'm enjoying myself.

The part of his latest video that rubbed me the wrong way was when he started to talk about it being worth checking out if it went free-to-play. WHAT?!?! If a game is enjoyable, it doesn't matter the pricing model, because if a free-to-play game is worth checking out, in my opinion that game is also worth putting money towards.

To me, that just seems a little strange that joe would make such a distinction between the pricing models. The way in which you give a developer money shouldn't be a part of a review in my opinion, unless of course ESO wasn't par for the course, but that's not the case, they're using the classic subscription system that was around before free to play.

I guess my problem with him saying ESO would only be worth checking out if it was free to play, is that I've seen many free to play games where players end up paying more than they would in a typical subscription model. This of course allows the kids with no allowance left to still jump in and play the game, because they're being covered by the players who pay.

I guess my point is, the pricing model shouldn't define weather or not a game is worth checking out. Sure, we all have our preferences, but neither really plays a part in the gameplay, and in occasions when it does, free to play is the worse of the two. Pay2win anybody? So, when I see Joe saying the game should be free to play otherwise it's not worth playing, then I just get the feeling he's selling out, he's just trying to get the support of all the people screaming that ESO should be ftp. At the end of the day, views, subscribers and fanboys put food on his table. I can't say I blame him, but I did lose respect for him as a reviewer.

Etchesketch

It's not selling out roflol. His experience with the game has mirror'd mine in just about every respect.

280,000 views.... Say what you want. Show me something recent on ESO that is anywhere near as seen.

Hell, ZoS gave him permission to release his review of BETA. That vid has 1.5 million views. ZoS must know who he is.

Holycannoli

Etchesketch wrote: »

Happy for you. If you want the game to succeed though, you need to think past your own narrow field of play and think of what will attract new players to the game.

If you are looking for a game with very low subscription numbers and will be happy as long as YOU get to play, then by all means... keep on truckin and don't try to get the devs to fix the problems.

I know there are problems, some of them major which Joe did point out. But he nitpicks (voice acting awkward in spots? No housing? Subpar graphics? Come on) and it's because he's been against ESO's subscription and imperial edition from day 1.

I find it curious that he enjoys combat, the character development system and PVP though. Well those are the main points of the game! They're the reason I enjoy the game so much. I'm not here for the PVE and in fact don't play MMOs if they don't have PVP as an an option at the least, and I might be one of the few that likes the limited number of skills you can use at a time.

As of right now I'm looking past the problems the game has in the hope they'll be fixed in the near future. They fixed the bank bug, they fixed some of the quests and I'm sure they'll address the bots which is the next major issue.

badmojo

Etchesketch wrote: »

It's not selling out roflol. His experience with the game has mirror'd mine in just about every respect.

So please, explain to me how the game being free to play would make it worth checking out, but in a subscription model it's not. That seems like it's not worth checking out at all. If you play a free to play game and spend no money on it, it wasn't worth checking out.(or your poor)

I can't help but feel like Joe wants to inflate his "army" of followers by saying it should be free-to-play. Instantly all the people who don't want to spend a dime on ESO are fans of his. Seems like selling out.

I wouldn't care about his encouraging the game to go free to play, but the distinction he is making between the two pricing models just raises red flags in my mind.

Etchesketch

badmojo wrote: »

Etchesketch wrote: »

It's not selling out roflol. His experience with the game has mirror'd mine in just about every respect.

So please, explain to me how the game being free to play would make it worth checking out, but in a subscription model it's not. That seems like it's not worth checking out at all. If you play a free to play game and spend no money on it, it wasn't worth checking out.(or your poor)

I can't help but feel like Joe wants to inflate his "army" of followers by saying it should be free-to-play. Instantly all the people who don't want to spend a dime on ESO are fans of his. Seems like selling out.

I wouldn't care about his encouraging the game to go free to play, but the distinction he is making between the two pricing models just raises red flags in my mind.

I agree here.. I don't play any F2p games and won't ever. I don't like the scheme.

***, I payed LOTRO 2 lifetime memberships (2 accounts) of 199 bucks each and quit Lotro the day it went f2p.

The experience of actually playing the game is what I am talking about. I don't really care about the money issues.

Greydog

byghostlightrwb17_ESO wrote: »

ENAK wrote: »

Hi,

Joe's review of ESO is up (I'm sure others posted the link but here it is again, just for measure): Here...

The review shows what's wrong with the game... Seems most people agree, judging by the comments and thumbs up on the vid.

Also... Why is there no easily accessible open forum here?!? It's hidden somewhere in the category map - level 3 or 4 as if to discourage discussion or something...

Sorry but Angry Joe's word is hardly one that carries weight with everyone, in fact I am yet to see a single thing he has ever done that was worth sitting through. Likewise his fans, to say everyone seems to agree with him based on his comments is flaw. 1) since when has anyone really said anything nice on youtube ever 2) the only people who would take time posting comments on his page are those who support his "style"

People seem to think the numbers of subscribers people have is somehow a sign of their importance. Thats like saying Fox News is a valued and balanced source in the world of news just because it has heaps of viewers. Hardly.

If you really want your opinion of someone else's views to carry any weight you really need to buck it up and actually listen to what they are saying, san's your predetermined feelings on the matter.

This is the first online review I've ever watched and while I agree with much of what he said I still had to read thru his "angry" persona to understand where he was coming from.

Same goes for your Fox quip ..have you ever actually watched or are your opinions predetermined by what others have told you.

Criticism is just another's opinion. Actual critical thought requires an understanding of that other opinion.

Jeremy

Luciana wrote: »

Gix wrote: »

Also, does he always scream like that in PvP? I wouldn't be able to stand playing.

He's mostly putting on a show for his ''Angry Army'' community.

I'll also disagree with the overall attitude he has towards ESO, while his review has many sound points, I did feel, while watching his livestreams, that he wasn't even trying to enjoy himself.

I also find myself going ''truly, the quests don't feel any different to me from Skyrim'', so I find myself unable to understand why he apparently hates all of the quests so much.

I got that same impression.

He seemed almost desperate to find things to criticize and wasn't fair to the game at all in my opinion. To be honest the whole thing seemed almost like a spoof and I had a hard time taking it serious after awhile.

Squints wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Chanz wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Chanz wrote: »

I would not have given this garbage they have served us even a 5 out of 10.

I do not hate the game.

I have a hard time reconciling these two statements in your post.

If you're going to troll, then please do it properly.

Thanks.

I'm not trolling Chanz.

I'm pointing out your post seems very hateful towards the game despite your claim that you don't hate the game.

Calling the game garbage goes outside the bounds of normal criticism and demonstrates to me some very strong negative emotions ^^

I really wondered why people think criticism and liking something are mutually exclusive concepts. If you like something don't you want it to be better? In order for it to be better, you need to point out what is wrong, right?

Edit: Calling something that is garbage isn't going outside the bounds of normal criticism because when things you would expect to work properly (forget the bugs, forget the duping, forget the bots, forget the spammers, forget the exploits, forget the CSR, but ONLY focus on the PvE Main Quest that doesn't work) ya I would think garbage is a good sum up of the current state

I think we would disagree about that.

Dismissing something as garbage just because it has the same common problems nearly every other MMORPG I have ever played has had at launch is not what I would consider productive criticism. By comparison, this game's launch has actually been pretty good despite these rants to the contrary.

Productive criticism is one thing. But hyper exaggerating and dwelling on nothing but the negative seems to me more like just hateful demagoguery rather a genuine effort to identify the flaws so as to improve the game.

But you are entitled to your opinion to think it's garbage if you want. I'm not challenging that. I'm just saying if you want to convince me you don't hate the game calling it garbage is a really bad way to go about it.

madterryk

ESO > LOTRO+STO+SWTOR+WOW
not sure how many other games are out there but I've found ESO hugely refreshing compared to all of them individually or put together.

Greydog

Jeremy wrote: »

Productive criticism is one thing. But hyper exaggerating and dwelling on nothing but the negative seems to me like just hateful demagoguery rather a genuine effort to identify the flaws so as to improve the game.

Would you expect anything less from someone who calls himself "angry"?

The flaws he did discuss are real issues with this game and should be pointed out IMO.

d0e1ow

Dude is a turd reviewer with an agenda: appeal to his audience.

People don't understand this?

Jeremy

Greydog wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Productive criticism is one thing. But hyper exaggerating and dwelling on nothing but the negative seems to me like just hateful demagoguery rather a genuine effort to identify the flaws so as to improve the game.

Would you expect anything less from someone who calls himself "angry"?

lol I guess not.

Jeremy

Greydog wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Productive criticism is one thing. But hyper exaggerating and dwelling on nothing but the negative seems to me like just hateful demagoguery rather a genuine effort to identify the flaws so as to improve the game.

The flaws he did discuss are real issues with this game and should be pointed out IMO.

Some of them were. Others not so much.

For example: when you start complaining about having to walk to complete your quests - especially considering this game has waypoints scattered all over the place - he loses all manner of credibility with me. Or complaining that not all of the quests had climatic endings. What does he want, an epic battle between good and evil from every NPC he comes across?

These are just some of many petty gripes he dwelled on in that ridiculous review.

Greydog

Jeremy wrote: »

Greydog wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Productive criticism is one thing. But hyper exaggerating and dwelling on nothing but the negative seems to me like just hateful demagoguery rather a genuine effort to identify the flaws so as to improve the game.

The flaws he did discuss are real issues with this game and should be pointed out IMO.

Some of them were. Others not so much.

For example: when you start complaining about having to walk to complete your quests - especially considering this game has waypoints scattered all over the place - he loses all manner of credibility. Or complaining that not all of the quests had climatic endings. What does he want, an epic battle between good and evil from every NPC he comes across?

These are just some of many petty gripes he dwelled on in that ridiculous review.

That's where you need to remember his persona. While those parts are merely his opinion. In his experience they are valid.

The guy reviews games. That tells me he's somewhat jaded as far as games go and will point to the good while focusing on what frustrates him.

Jeremy

Greydog wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Greydog wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Productive criticism is one thing. But hyper exaggerating and dwelling on nothing but the negative seems to me like just hateful demagoguery rather a genuine effort to identify the flaws so as to improve the game.

The flaws he did discuss are real issues with this game and should be pointed out IMO.

Some of them were. Others not so much.

For example: when you start complaining about having to walk to complete your quests - especially considering this game has waypoints scattered all over the place - he loses all manner of credibility. Or complaining that not all of the quests had climatic endings. What does he want, an epic battle between good and evil from every NPC he comes across?

These are just some of many petty gripes he dwelled on in that ridiculous review.

That's where you need to remember his persona. While those parts are merely his opinion. In his experience they are valid.

The guy reviews games. That tells me he's somewhat jaded as far as games go and will point to the good while focusing on what frustrates him.

I understand that. But when having to do something as simple as walk to complete your quests frustrates him, perhaps it's time he found some new hobbies that don't include playing MMORPGs. Because that's just ridiculous.

Jake71887

madterryk wrote: »

Some of them were. Others not so much.

For example: when you start complaining about having to walk to complete your quests - especially considering this game has waypoints scattered all over the place - he loses all manner of credibility with me. Or complaining that not all of the quests had climatic endings. What does he want, an epic battle between good and evil from every NPC he comes across?

These are just some of many petty gripes he dwelled on in that ridiculous review.

Well the walking was tied into the cost of horses, which is a real issue for a lot of people. And the majority of quests are anticlimactic.... Not that every one is, but the fact that most are.

Etchesketch

40 thousand views in the last hour....

Say what you want, people watch him.

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

Etchesketch wrote: »

40 thousand views in the last hour....

Say what you want, people watch him.

people eat millions of McDonalds cheeseburgers every day, doesnt mean they are good or nutritious.

Just mean there are a lot of silly people in the world who cant make up their own mind.

Etchesketch

byghostlightrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Etchesketch wrote: »

40 thousand views in the last hour....

Say what you want, people watch him.

people eat millions of McDonalds cheeseburgers every day, doesnt mean they are good or nutritious.

Just mean there are a lot of silly people in the world who cant make up their own mind.

That's such a great analogy.

this guy will end up with over a million views on this game review. Not everyone will even agree with him.

I just like to make fun of the obvious fanboi trolling that constantly like to try and take shots at him or anyone else that are popular on youtube.

Let's see YOUR youtube review with actual viewer numbers.

sociald100ub17_ESO

Much of the stuff this guy complained about in the video was known before buying the game. like no auction house, how big cyrodil is and the travel time and many other things... angry for spending money on what you already knew.. well I guess his name is Angry Joe so whatever.