lostineternity wrote: »silentxthreat wrote: »every nightblade stacks crit damage. with rally cry up 6 inpen they still crit for 18k+ with a non ult skill merc bow. they made it very easy to get stacks. either buff inpen, nerf crit damage or nerf nightblade... atm if you only pvp in this game there is zero reason to play if you are not a nightblade. a lot of other games are looking good right now
These nbs are glass cannons. I saw so many times after opener how they die in a second. You can't kill dk or 40k hp warden and even cloak does nothing because it's so easy to counter. I can only suggest for you not to play pvp with 20k ph and 10k resistances try sometimes to block or roll dodge big incoming damage and you will definitely notice difference in survivability.
silentxthreat wrote: »every nightblade stacks crit damage. with rally cry up 6 inpen they still crit for 18k+ with a non ult skill merc bow. they made it very easy to get stacks. either buff inpen, nerf crit damage or nerf nightblade... atm if you only pvp in this game there is zero reason to play if you are not a nightblade. a lot of other games are looking good right now
Can you please tell me how am I supposed to block/rolldodge a NB that hit me from stealth while I am fighting some NPC with a couple of proc sets?
I still have not developed precognition.
The one you see dying are just bad NB, any semi competent NB will not die cause it is not true that clock is easy to counter if used by someone with some experience.
NB are out of control and if IC is a desert is totally their fault and of that broken skill that is cloack.
Wanted to add, minor expedition by just slotting one onf the best spammablr in game.
And of course merciless resolve does not lose stacks while bound armamaents does.
NB is just developers favourite son.
Panderbander wrote: »If you listen close enough you can hear the echo of someone saying "but it can be roll dodged"
What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Is class identity a bad thing?
I'd class-change my main from NB to DK anytime for pvp purposes if that was possible.
People are whining on NB coz it has one of the most annoying abilities in the game - stealth, but realistically I'd rather face tank anything on my DK than get destroyed in seconds if i'm not in stealth as a NB.
I'd class-change my main from NB to DK anytime for pvp purposes if that was possible.
People are whining on NB coz it has one of the most annoying abilities in the game - stealth, but realistically I'd rather face tank anything on my DK than get destroyed in seconds if i'm not in stealth as a NB.
Dunno how you play but many NB can play as brawlers quite well.
If you get destroyed in seconds maybe yoiur build is not that good?
StarOfElyon wrote: »I'd class-change my main from NB to DK anytime for pvp purposes if that was possible.
People are whining on NB coz it has one of the most annoying abilities in the game - stealth, but realistically I'd rather face tank anything on my DK than get destroyed in seconds if i'm not in stealth as a NB.
Dunno how you play but many NB can play as brawlers quite well.
If you get destroyed in seconds maybe yoiur build is not that good?
I haven't successfully built a good brawler blade without proc sets but I have fought multiple night blades that were tanky as hell, mostly because of their healing. I would literally get a small window to burst them and if they managed to avoid my execute due to good movement or a stun, they could easily bounce back to full health.
StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Is class identity a bad thing?
It isn’t, but NB lost that identity card when it received a burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice, Major + Minor Expedition, and Major Evasion.
You’d have to strip away 70-80% of the survivability buffs NB got over the years for your class identity statement to be meaningful. The current NB has everything in its kit. Not only does it have the same damage output as a squishy ganker NB, but it is also very tanky with 30k+ resistances, 50%+ critical damage mitigation, Major Evasion, Cowardice, and also very fast with Major + Minor Expedition.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Is class identity a bad thing?
It isn’t, but NB lost that identity card when it received a burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice, Major + Minor Expedition, and Major Evasion.
You’d have to strip away 70-80% of the survivability buffs NB got over the years for your class identity statement to be meaningful. The current NB has everything in its kit. Not only does it have the same damage output as a squishy ganker NB, but it is also very tanky with 30k+ resistances, 50%+ critical damage mitigation, Major Evasion, Cowardice, and also very fast with Major + Minor Expedition.
So apart from the introduction of the burst heal, it lost its identity due to greater access to general buffs?
StaticWave wrote: »
You cannot argue in favor of the class’ stealthy theme when ZOS gave the class so many defensive buffs that it became a tanky brawler. A tanky bralwer that can also Cloak while moving at speed cap, now that is a reciple for disaster.
If old NB was a squishy but lethal and stealthy assassin, like a Ninja, then the current NB is a medieval knight in full armor but can somehow move as fast as and be as stealthy as a Ninja, while having the healing prowess of a wizard.
StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Is class identity a bad thing?
It isn’t, but NB lost that identity card when it received a burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice, Major + Minor Expedition, and Major Evasion.
You’d have to strip away 70-80% of the survivability buffs NB got over the years for your class identity statement to be meaningful. The current NB has everything in its kit. Not only does it have the same damage output as a squishy ganker NB, but it is also very tanky with 30k+ resistances, 50%+ critical damage mitigation, Major Evasion, Cowardice, and also very fast with Major + Minor Expedition.
So apart from the introduction of the burst heal, it lost its identity due to greater access to general buffs?
Yes, it did.
If you haven’t noticed, most NB share the same 3 offensive abilities (Concealed, Merciless Resolve, Killer’s Blade). Greater access to general buffs means more efficient bar space, which also means it can slot more of its defensive abilities.
A stealthy “Assassin” cannot be tanky. Being squishy is a fundamental and necessary tradeoff for being stealthy. This is no longer the case for NB. As we have discussed, NB currently has access to a strong burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice to reduce an opponent’s damage, Major Evasion, free dodge roll every few seconds, and so much damage modifiers they are able to build super tanky and still have damage.
You cannot argue in favor of the class’ stealthy theme when ZOS gave the class so many defensive buffs that it became a tanky brawler. A tanky bralwer that can also Cloak while moving at speed cap, now that is a reciple for disaster.
If old NB was a squishy but lethal and stealthy assassin, like a Ninja, then the current NB is a medieval knight in full armor but can somehow move as fast as and be as stealthy as a Ninja, while having the healing prowess of a wizard.
StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Is class identity a bad thing?
It isn’t, but NB lost that identity card when it received a burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice, Major + Minor Expedition, and Major Evasion.
You’d have to strip away 70-80% of the survivability buffs NB got over the years for your class identity statement to be meaningful. The current NB has everything in its kit. Not only does it have the same damage output as a squishy ganker NB, but it is also very tanky with 30k+ resistances, 50%+ critical damage mitigation, Major Evasion, Cowardice, and also very fast with Major + Minor Expedition.
So apart from the introduction of the burst heal, it lost its identity due to greater access to general buffs?
Yes, it did.
If you haven’t noticed, most NB share the same 3 offensive abilities (Concealed, Merciless Resolve, Killer’s Blade). Greater access to general buffs means more efficient bar space, which also means it can slot more of its defensive abilities.
A stealthy “Assassin” cannot be tanky. Being squishy is a fundamental and necessary tradeoff for being stealthy. This is no longer the case for NB. As we have discussed, NB currently has access to a strong burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice to reduce an opponent’s damage, Major Evasion, free dodge roll every few seconds, and so much damage modifiers they are able to build super tanky and still have damage.
You cannot argue in favor of the class’ stealthy theme when ZOS gave the class so many defensive buffs that it became a tanky brawler. A tanky bralwer that can also Cloak while moving at speed cap, now that is a reciple for disaster.
If old NB was a squishy but lethal and stealthy assassin, like a Ninja, then the current NB is a medieval knight in full armor but can somehow move as fast as and be as stealthy as a Ninja, while having the healing prowess of a wizard.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »Oh no the consequences of everyone in PvP wanting to 1vX brawl and escew any kind of assassin gameplay through multitudes of defensive layers and detection because "I need to be a god and can't die only kill" rears its head as one of the more popular overall (I assume combined PvE PvP) classes has growing pains as the class gets retrofitted to be able to do any role within the constraints of its class abilities flavored with an orientation on blood, stealth, being behind the target and spiky damage.
I do agree there need to be tradeoffs, and how the class skills intertwine needs to be addressed.
However access to stat-stick buffs does not cause a class to lose its identity.
StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »What I find most hilarious is that I "ganked" more people this last event with my level 33 DK, than my champion 1680 Nightblade ...I used him for just running quests in stealth when I DIDN'T want to fight --
My DK is not in best gear, and is 2-handed weapon front and back bar, right now, with just about the same skills on both ... as I am working on leveling things.... but, using stealth (which, ANYONE can use), and then an invis / heal potion (for emergencies), I ganked people.....
Best part is that when I would Stampede out, so many people would start rapid blocking, thinking I had stunned..... and by the time they realized they could move, I would have hit them with a second attack - and then Talons, which would CC them... and then if needed, chains to pull them back to my AOE ..... Nice thing about Stampede - it's always a crit, even if NOT from stealth... so I will sometimes just spam that - and with Igneous Weapon giving me Major Brutality for a full minute, and Minor Brutality (from the passive) for 20 seconds... My damage was quite sufficient to knock people down quick.
Ganking is NOT just a NB skill --- it's a practice technique that can be applied to ANY class .... Learning to use the stealth, and watching your eye to control range is critical .. Positioning is a part of it... and yes, I have used a sorc to Streak Gank targets just as easily.
Auldwulfe
Yea but NB does it best lol. No arguments can change that fact.
Is class identity a bad thing?
It isn’t, but NB lost that identity card when it received a burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice, Major + Minor Expedition, and Major Evasion.
You’d have to strip away 70-80% of the survivability buffs NB got over the years for your class identity statement to be meaningful. The current NB has everything in its kit. Not only does it have the same damage output as a squishy ganker NB, but it is also very tanky with 30k+ resistances, 50%+ critical damage mitigation, Major Evasion, Cowardice, and also very fast with Major + Minor Expedition.
So apart from the introduction of the burst heal, it lost its identity due to greater access to general buffs?
Yes, it did.
If you haven’t noticed, most NB share the same 3 offensive abilities (Concealed, Merciless Resolve, Killer’s Blade). Greater access to general buffs means more efficient bar space, which also means it can slot more of its defensive abilities.
A stealthy “Assassin” cannot be tanky. Being squishy is a fundamental and necessary tradeoff for being stealthy. This is no longer the case for NB. As we have discussed, NB currently has access to a strong burst heal spammable, Major + Minor Cowardice to reduce an opponent’s damage, Major Evasion, free dodge roll every few seconds, and so much damage modifiers they are able to build super tanky and still have damage.
You cannot argue in favor of the class’ stealthy theme when ZOS gave the class so many defensive buffs that it became a tanky brawler. A tanky bralwer that can also Cloak while moving at speed cap, now that is a reciple for disaster.
If old NB was a squishy but lethal and stealthy assassin, like a Ninja, then the current NB is a medieval knight in full armor but can somehow move as fast as and be as stealthy as a Ninja, while having the healing prowess of a wizard.
If you haven't noticed, most players are Master's Duel Wield, Maarselok, and Vate ..... it's a pattern with the game.
Auldwulfe
Avran_Sylt wrote: »Oh no the consequences of everyone in PvP wanting to 1vX brawl and escew any kind of assassin gameplay through multitudes of defensive layers and detection because "I need to be a god and can't die only kill" rears its head as one of the more popular overall (I assume combined PvE PvP) classes has growing pains as the class gets retrofitted to be able to do any role within the constraints of its class abilities flavored with an orientation on blood, stealth, being behind the target and spiky damage.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »However access to stat-stick buffs does not cause a class to lose its identity.