nightblades out of control in pvp

silentxthreat

every nightblade stacks crit damage. with rally cry up 6 inpen they still crit for 18k+ with a non ult skill merc bow. they made it very easy to get stacks. either buff inpen, nerf crit damage or nerf nightblade... atm if you only pvp in this game there is zero reason to play if you are not a nightblade. a lot of other games are looking good right now

Panderbander

If you listen close enough you can hear the echo of someone saying "but it can be roll dodged"

IncultaWolf

But merciless resolve can be roll dodged so it has counter play. If anything they should make it so you don't lose your bow proc stacks if it gets dodged, like molten whip. Also it's still not hitting hard enough on really tanky targets my spec bow only hits for 15k, it's not enough to kill some players so I think it should get buffed. Oh and nerf werewolf and necromancer

Mayrael

silentxthreat wrote: »

every nightblade stacks crit damage. with rally cry up 6 inpen they still crit for 18k+ with a non ult skill merc bow. they made it very easy to get stacks. either buff inpen, nerf crit damage or nerf nightblade... atm if you only pvp in this game there is zero reason to play if you are not a nightblade. a lot of other games are looking good right now

Can I have your stuff?

TechMaybeHic

That seems unrealistically high if Rallying Cry is up. You have your other resist buffs up as well? How many people you grouped with?

I'm not saying you're wrong on your conclusion; but the lack of details to support just random numbers thrown out, devalues any point trying to be made.

MashmalloMan

IncultaWolf wrote: »

But merciless resolve can be roll dodged so it has counter play. If anything they should make it so you don't lose your bow proc stacks if it gets dodged, like molten whip. Also it's still not hitting hard enough on really tanky targets my spec bow only hits for 15k, it's not enough to kill some players so I think it should get buffed. Oh and nerf werewolf and necromancer

It hits harder than most ultimates, how can you say it needs a buff with a straight face

The dodge idea is cool though.

Edit: Am I being trolled, this is too perfect that the comment above it was:

Panderbander wrote: »

If you listen close enough you can hear the echo of someone saying "but it can be roll dodged"

Edit:Edit: I'm dumb.

sarahthes

It's good to know nightblades can do something other than PvE heal.

acastanza_ESO

Impen trait does desperately need a buff, since they refuse to nerf nightblade at all, buffing that would be a good place to start. Oh, and let it reduce crit damage to below base again.

OBJnoob

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Impen trait does desperately need a buff, since they refuse to nerf nightblade at all, buffing that would be a good place to start. Oh, and let it reduce crit damage to below base again.

Who else is stacking crit damage, forcing crits, and landing them for 20+k? Impen doesn't need to be buffed... Crit should remain a viable way to PvP, and the only offending class/skill needs to be brought in line.

MashmalloMan

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Impen trait does desperately need a buff, since they refuse to nerf nightblade at all, buffing that would be a good place to start. Oh, and let it reduce crit damage to below base again.

OBJnoob wrote: »

Who else is stacking crit damage, forcing crits, and landing them for 20+k? Impen doesn't need to be buffed... Crit should remain a viable way to PvP, and the only offending class/skill needs to be brought in line.

Agreed, doesn't make sense to nerf everyone just because of NBs. It's bad enough Rallying Cry nerfs our crit damage by -20%ish while also giving 300ish damage for 100% uptime to any group. Doesn't make any sense, the most over budgetted set in the game for years.

• Nerf NB
• Nerf Rallying Cry
• Buff Impen a bit

Side note.. maybe the new Mundus stone with the completion of hybridization could be for Crit Resist. Currently Warrior and Apprentice are redundant. Could be an interesting choice for pvp builds and has the benefit of being weighted against all the other important bonuses mundus stones have to offer.

blktauna

lololol

RaptorRodeoGod

You misspelled Dragonknight

MashmalloMan

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

You misspelled Dragonknight

They're frankly in the same boat.

DrNukenstein

IDK, I really saw some stamsorcs popping off the other day.

I think that class should be nerfed into the gutter.

Veinblood1965

MashmalloMan wrote: »

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

You misspelled Dragonknight

They're frankly in the same boat.

So untrue, at least NB's can cloak if a shark comes.

Vaqual

I think it is time they nerf classes. The game is clearly designed around the use of mages guild and fighters guild skill lines.

Panderbander

Vaqual wrote: »

I think it is time they nerf classes. The game is clearly designed around the use of mages guild and fighters guild skill lines.

No, weapon skill lines and arena weapons only (except for nightblades, but they can use them, too)

Galeriano

Nothing wrong in high burst dmg abilities. What is wrong is the whole stealth playstyle design in ESO.

boi_anachronism_

Nerf cause pvp, buff cause pve, nerf cause pvp, buff cause pve..... into infinity... Skills need to be balanced with battle spirit. Blade is the absolute most glaring example. Every time it gets nerfed in pvp its guttered for pve. Its already bad in 12 man.

IZZEFlameLash

If NB Merciless Resolve hitting harder than an ult is the way the game is intended, give every other classes back their ultis that hit just as hard in the past. And give Sorcs their high damage frag back. I frankly miss my 20k frag procs.

Galeriano

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Nerf cause pvp, buff cause pve, nerf cause pvp, buff cause pve..... into infinity... Skills need to be balanced with battle spirit. Blade is the absolute most glaring example. Every time it gets nerfed in pvp its guttered for pve. Its already bad in 12 man.

That's because ZoS refuses to balance stealth playstyle. Stealth playstyle is a major issue with nb in PvP and not an issue at all in PvE yet when ZoS tries to balance nb in PvP they are doing everything to not touch core of the issue which in return causes more issues.

boi_anachronism_

Galeriano wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Nerf cause pvp, buff cause pve, nerf cause pvp, buff cause pve..... into infinity... Skills need to be balanced with battle spirit. Blade is the absolute most glaring example. Every time it gets nerfed in pvp its guttered for pve. Its already bad in 12 man.

That's because ZoS refuses to balance stealth playstyle. Stealth playstyle is a major issue with nb in PvP and not an issue at all in PvE yet when ZoS tries to balance nb in PvP they are doing everything to not touch core of the issue which in return causes more issues.

Right but how DO you actually balance that? I mean im in favor of a ramping cost for disguise but beyond that, well, idk. Its one of the few truly class unique skills. I dont see them getting rid of it but what do you actually do with it beyond what i mentioned. Side point: the fact that they made the concealed operate coming out of stealth was a bad call tbh. Im saying this as a nb main (althought i dont pvp with him at all)

TechMaybeHic

I think they have made playability of NB really good now; but NBs carried over a lot of strength that was part of the "high ceiling" requirement of the past. And it hasn't really helped NB in PvE from what I gather.

They need to remove the damage boosts passive that come from out of stealth from concealed weapon, and following death stroke. And move it all to just be built in on the offensive siphoning skill line AOE and DOTs to push PvE damage up. Healing level for NB is also a bit high if they want to also have the biggest burst abilities but I'm not sure I would do all of the above.

Few different ways they can skin this cat, but I am sure it will be too much or nothing at all

acastanza_ESO

30k+ single hits with Merciless, from stealth, is obscene and ZOS needs to answer for their refusal to balance the game. It is simply unacceptable and insulting that this one class is allowed to overperform to such an absurd degree especially with other classes like Sorc are so completely neglected. @ZOS_GinaBruno, ZOS must address this.

boi_anachronism_

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

I think they have made playability of NB really good now; but NBs carried over a lot of strength that was part of the "high ceiling" requirement of the past. And it hasn't really helped NB in PvE from what I gather.

They need to remove the damage boosts passive that come from out of stealth from concealed weapon, and following death stroke. And move it all to just be built in on the offensive siphoning skill line AOE and DOTs to push PvE damage up. Healing level for NB is also a bit high if they want to also have the biggest burst abilities but I'm not sure I would do all of the above.

Few different ways they can skin this cat, but I am sure it will be too much or nothing at all

Welp i agree that stealth needs to be removed from concealed but dots would need a massive damage buff to make up for the loss from death stroke. For pve specifically thats where damage with something like merciless gets very inconsistent. The class would essentially have to be restructured. Im not sure thats something that they are wanting to do. Out of the suggestions listed Im more in favor on making nerfing healing a little in that cases and making them glass cannon builds again more then taking away their burst..

reazea

NB's now have huge burst damage combined with huge burst heal. It's just bad design IMO. Either the heal or the damage needs a nerf. And there should not be a way to stay cloaked while in combat. If a player initiates a fight, they should have to fight, not hit cloak and keep fighting while invisible.

TechMaybeHic

reazea wrote: »

NB's now have huge burst damage combined with huge burst heal. It's just bad design IMO. Either the heal or the damage needs a nerf. And there should not be a way to stay cloaked while in combat. If a player initiates a fight, they should have to fight, not hit cloak and keep fighting while invisible.

Would have to be something more than just "in combat." If you are not in combat, what good is cloak when everyone can crouch?

emilyhyoyeon

Sometimes I see people say things like NB is a burst, rogue, etc class, which yeah I agree, of all the classes, it's the one closest to that archetype by far so if you want a character in ESO with that archetype, it's the best fit.

But they also have the (what should be) less bursty, soul siphoning aspect, which is important to the class's identity just as the high burst assassination aspect is.

I'm just afraid of NB getting pushed into solely burst assassination for balance instead of doing something like making it so that you have to fully invest into one or the other to get to the current effectiveness (or less) of each, and investing into both would make each half as effective as that.

West93

so why can't power of light/purifying light ever hit 18k+ compared to merciless resolve its not even hitting 10k+ on tanky targets and takes 6 seconds to build up to get most 4-6k tick at best.

meanwhile I am getting zerged by 6+ players and trying to kite some nightblade out of nowhere hits 12k merciless resolve on 32k resistance 3.6k crit resistance build

silentxthreat

Exactly. Templars need a lot of love. jabs and power of the light need to be buffed. Its not that i want nightblades to be bad it just that at this time they have amazing heals, can build very tanky, but also hit for 20-25k with a class skill that isnt even a ult. @ZOS_GinaBruno what are your thoughts on pvp balance?

boi_anachronism_

West93 wrote: »

so why can't power of light/purifying light ever hit 18k+ compared to merciless resolve its not even hitting 10k+ on tanky targets and takes 6 seconds to build up to get most 4-6k tick at best.

meanwhile I am getting zerged by 6+ players and trying to kite some nightblade out of nowhere hits 12k merciless resolve on 32k resistance 3.6k crit resistance build

West93 wrote: »

so why can't power of light/purifying light ever hit 18k+ compared to merciless resolve its not even hitting 10k+ on tanky targets and takes 6 seconds to build up to get most 4-6k tick at best.

meanwhile I am getting zerged by 6+ players and trying to kite some nightblade out of nowhere hits 12k merciless resolve on 32k resistance 3.6k crit resistance build

I mean.. radiating glory is bomb. I love my temp in pvp. It absolutely slams. You get caught in a zerg chances are good that unless you are a really exceptional player or they are all very inexperienced you goin die regardless of the random blade that happens upon the situation. I still choose my temp or sorc over my blade in pvp every day of the week. They are just more fun for me. I dont feel hugely disadvantaged except against uber tanks but thats just me. I have more issues with set metas then anything.