U39 - PTS Endeavours: more choice is less it seems

SilverBride · July 2023

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

HappyTheCamper wrote: »

A I said before (and received arguments against) these new endeavors are not creative or unique. They’re just more restricted versions of the current ones.

At what point will they start saying “Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade”?

Or "Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set."

Where do we draw the line?

Let's take it the whole way... "Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities."

Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time.

"Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled."

AzuraFan · July 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

"Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled."

Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled and with this specific non-combat pet active (non-combat pet available in the crown store!).

Morimizo · July 2023

AzuraFan wrote: »

Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled and with this specific non-combat pet active (non-combat pet available in the crown store!).

During the run, there can be no deaths, it must be completed in less than 15 minutes, and each member of the party must pick 3 chests without breaking a single lockpick. Partial seal credit (20%) will be awarded if one lockpick breaks. For a 10% bump to seals earned, celebrate in the largest city of the zone where the dungeon resides with 25 guildmates, each using different crown crate exclusive emotes.

vsrs_au · July 2023

Belegnole wrote: »

Is unfortunate that diversifying means more restrictive. It's horrifying that as a solo player I'm basically being told not to play. So, I guess they no longer want my money.

No, the whole reason for these changes is they DO want your money, but spent on crowns instead of you spending time on accumulating seals.

wolfie1.0. · July 2023

My argument would be this.

The more specific the endeavor the higher the reward that should be offered.

For example: if the endeavor is complete 1 dungeon then thst can be worth 10 seals. But if it's complete March of sacrifices in vet with a guildie, get a speed run and have 1 arcanist in your party then the endeavor should be 100 seals.

Elvenheart · July 2023

HappyTheCamper wrote: »

A I said before (and received arguments against) these new endeavors are not creative or unique. They’re just more restricted versions of the current ones.

At what point will they start saying “Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade”?

Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing [specific set] using only class skills while dressed in [specific costume] and accompanied by [specific non-combat pet].

Elvenheart · July 2023

AzuraFan wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

"Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled."

Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled and with this specific non-combat pet active (non-combat pet available in the crown store!).

Darn, someone got to it before me! 😂

Elvenheart · July 2023

I do think it’s weird how they say “Complete [specific dungeon] 1 time.” I feel like the 1 time part should be understood. This way, you think they may also say at some point “Complete [specific dungeon] 3 times” or something. That would be truly awful!

valenwood_vegan · July 2023

"Roll a new arcanist and complete the Psijic Questline with Ember active while wearing the harpooner's wading kilt" - Now THAT's a daily. Sells four chapters in one!

AzuraFan · July 2023

Elvenheart wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

"Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled."

Complete 8 dungeons with a guild mate while playing as a nightblade wearing this specific set using only class abilities during night time with CP disabled and with this specific non-combat pet active (non-combat pet available in the crown store!).

Darn, someone got to it before me! 😂

Haha. Great minds think alike!

Tandor · July 2023

I'm sure they'd want you to be a stamblade, nightblade is far too generalised for Endeavours.

evymyu233 · July 2023

terrible

CoolBlast3 · July 2023

>ESO heavily markets itself as a singleplayer experience, where 90% of the content is soloable
>Many people treat this game as a singleplayer RPG
>Many casuals aren't even in any guilds

Half of the new endeavours:
>do multiplayer group content with a guild-mate (not even a friend, a guildmate lmao)
The other half:
>do specific multiplayer group content in the form of DLC dungeons and trials, locking away people not prepared for dlc content or who outright don't own it

ZOS, this is -less- choice. You're forcing to people to play YOUR way, not OUR way, and for a game who's entire slogan is "PLAY HOWEVER YOU WANT", that's not a good look.

BenevolentBowd · July 2023

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

"Roll a new arcanist and complete the Psijic Questline with Ember active while wearing the harpooner's wading kilt" - Now THAT's a daily. Sells four chapters in one!

All of the above plus being in the official ESO discord channel the whole time only communicating in your best Reach accent.

Blayz · July 2023

Even as an eso+ member for many yrs I do not like the the endeavors are being cut way back from what we get now. The group finder is not always working and pugs are not always fun and work out. Dailies should be like writs and can be doing solo or in groups of 2 with companions or 4 with out.

Ardriel · July 2023

Calastir wrote: »

This screams "Stop doing endeavors but buy Crown Crates!" to me.

Exactly this!

Peppo_Lives · July 2023

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

The more I've thought about it, I'm actually quite excited by this change. I've gotten into a maybe not so productive habit of logging in to ESO every day to check on the endeavors (and usually complete them)...

if the new ones look anything like what we're seeing on PTS, I think I'll have a really easy time breaking that habit and spending my time on something more enjoyable. So thank you ZoS, for working so hard to cure my irrational desire to log into ESO regularly, I really appreciate it.

My thought exactly

NoxiousBlight · July 2023

The madness continues this week. For 98% of the population claiming an elder scroll is impossible. I PvP all the time and even I have only claimed an elder scroll once in a while. Do they mean doing the quest or actually being the scroll runner? Hard to say. Quest is okay, if not difficult to time correctly. But being the runner is a nightmare that will never be done. In the end I hate it even if it is the quest. You can't work towards it. The only way to do it is to live in Cyrodiil all week and you could STILL miss the scroll runs if you play at bad times.

12 ToT is a huge time sink. That is almost two games a day without missing one - so in addition to all your regular chores they want you to play 30-40 minutes of ToT a day.

And is it just me but wasn't this last endeavor kill 350 enemies at the start of the PTS? Did they actually increase it because it wasn't enough of a time sink?

More bad endeavors. ZOS is really out of touch with these.

NoxiousBlight · July 2023

And here are the dailies for Monday. Some repeats. Still mostly bad changes.

Lady_Galadhiel · July 2023

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

The madness continues this week. For 98% of the population claiming an elder scroll is impossible. I PvP all the time and even I have only claimed an elder scroll once in a while. Do they mean doing the quest or actually being the scroll runner? Hard to say. Quest is okay, if not difficult to time correctly. But being the runner is a nightmare that will never be done. In the end I hate it even if it is the quest. You can't work towards it. The only way to do it is to live in Cyrodiil all week and you could STILL miss the scroll runs if you play at bad times.

12 ToT is a huge time sink. That is almost two games a day without missing one - so in addition to all your regular chores they want you to play 30-40 minutes of ToT a day.

And is it just me but wasn't this last endeavor kill 350 enemies at the start of the PTS? Did they actually increase it because it wasn't enough of a time sink?

More bad endeavors. ZOS is really out of touch with these.

While the Scroll one and 500 enemies are indeed a time sink, the 12 ToT matches not so much and in my opinion the quickest one from them all.
If you play against an NPC, a match takes 5 minutes.

Deter1UK · July 2023

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

While the Scroll one and 500 enemies are indeed a time sink, the 12 ToT matches not so much and in my opinion the quickest one from them all.
If you play against an NPC, a match takes 5 minutes.

And if you loath TOT beyond all comprehension and hardly ever PVP?

Then its the time sink or nothing, though as a weekly I'd be expecting to do that anyway or near to it.

BlueRaven · July 2023

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

The madness continues this week. For 98% of the population claiming an elder scroll is impossible. I PvP all the time and even I have only claimed an elder scroll once in a while. Do they mean doing the quest or actually being the scroll runner? Hard to say. Quest is okay, if not difficult to time correctly. But being the runner is a nightmare that will never be done. In the end I hate it even if it is the quest. You can't work towards it. The only way to do it is to live in Cyrodiil all week and you could STILL miss the scroll runs if you play at bad times.

12 ToT is a huge time sink. That is almost two games a day without missing one - so in addition to all your regular chores they want you to play 30-40 minutes of ToT a day.

And is it just me but wasn't this last endeavor kill 350 enemies at the start of the PTS? Did they actually increase it because it wasn't enough of a time sink?

More bad endeavors. ZOS is really out of touch with these.

Wait, is that ANY elder scroll?

Like can I pick up a captured one kept at a friendly keep? (I assume that is possible). Then put it right back?

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2023

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

The madness continues this week. For 98% of the population claiming an elder scroll is impossible. I PvP all the time and even I have only claimed an elder scroll once in a while. Do they mean doing the quest or actually being the scroll runner? Hard to say. Quest is okay, if not difficult to time correctly. But being the runner is a nightmare that will never be done. In the end I hate it even if it is the quest. You can't work towards it. The only way to do it is to live in Cyrodiil all week and you could STILL miss the scroll runs if you play at bad times.

12 ToT is a huge time sink. That is almost two games a day without missing one - so in addition to all your regular chores they want you to play 30-40 minutes of ToT a day.

And is it just me but wasn't this last endeavor kill 350 enemies at the start of the PTS? Did they actually increase it because it wasn't enough of a time sink?

More bad endeavors. ZOS is really out of touch with these.

1. Can be done, but such a huge time sink. Right now we have to kill like 250 at most. I wonder if reward will be at least 2x as much lol.
2. Will it count if I will play with easiest npc possible 12x times and every game quit (lose) as soon as game starts ? It does not say to win the games, so if I "give up" it means the other player won, so game was "completed".
3. I do wonder if "scroll quests" do count for this.

jaws343 · July 2023

Kill 500 enemies will take like 30 minutes tops.

I mean, just look at Vile Manse public dungeon for context. 1 loop of that dungeon has approximately 18 add pulls of 5-6 enemies each. So, in one loop around Vile Manse, which takes like 5 minutes, you are already around 100 kills.

Doing 1 single dungeon will also likely net you close to 100 kills depending on the dungeon. 500 kills in a week is nothing.

BergisMacBride · July 2023

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

500 enemies isn't too bad - you can easily get that one done by just playing the game - wouldn't go out of my way to grind it - just play and it will come.

ToT is fine for those that like it. It doesn't say match-made or vs. player so I assume this means NPC games too? Still kinda a time sink but ok for those that play daily.

Claim an Elder Scroll - assume this means pick it up? - yeah that one is plain awful lol. Folks already grief and troll scrolls in Cyro as it is - this one has all sorts of abuse potential and was obviously not well thought out.

KlauthWarthog · July 2023

500 enemies for a weekly is not bad... in isolation. When you read the first page again and notice it was 350 the other time, yes, it is bad.

jle30303 · July 2023

Well... It looks like whatever patch has been released today, doesn't have any new Endeavours in it, or this is not mentioned in the patch notes. Was this the proper U39, or was it just a maintenance / bugfix patch?

jaws343 · July 2023

jle30303 wrote: »

Well... It looks like whatever patch has been released today, doesn't have any new Endeavours in it, or this is not mentioned in the patch notes. Was this the proper U39, or was it just a maintenance / bugfix patch?

U39 is still weeks away.

ApoAlaia · July 2023

jaws343 wrote: »

Kill 500 enemies will take like 30 minutes tops.

I mean, just look at Vile Manse public dungeon for context. 1 loop of that dungeon has approximately 18 add pulls of 5-6 enemies each. So, in one loop around Vile Manse, which takes like 5 minutes, you are already around 100 kills.

Doing 1 single dungeon will also likely net you close to 100 kills depending on the dungeon. 500 kills in a week is nothing.

Can be done for sure, however all the endeavours we have seen so far are either more restrictive or require a larger time/effort investment from the player (or both) compared to the ones we currently have on live.

Therefore If the rewards do not increase proportionately then is a net loss.

jaws343 · July 2023

ApoAlaia wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Kill 500 enemies will take like 30 minutes tops.

I mean, just look at Vile Manse public dungeon for context. 1 loop of that dungeon has approximately 18 add pulls of 5-6 enemies each. So, in one loop around Vile Manse, which takes like 5 minutes, you are already around 100 kills.

Doing 1 single dungeon will also likely net you close to 100 kills depending on the dungeon. 500 kills in a week is nothing.

Can be done for sure, however all the endeavours we have seen so far are either more restrictive or require a larger time/effort investment from the player (or both) compared to the ones we currently have on live.

Therefore If the rewards do not increase proportionately then is a net loss.

But, we are talking about a weekly here. A weekly than can be done entirely on day 1 of the week. Even stretching this out for a full 7 days, the only people who aren't going to be able to do this are the people sitting at Cyrodil base camps trolling their alliance zone chats. Unless you aren't actually playing the game, 500 kills is going to be done on accident.