The human dynamics of Bastion Nymic don't work

stuartx13

So where are all the pople running ths seems like a failure to me no one doing this.

ESO_player123

stuartx13 wrote: »

So where are all the pople running ths seems like a failure to me no one doing this.

Most people who wanted this for achievements finished it on release. The rewards are lackluster, so there is really no reason to do it over and over again. That was the main concern: without a group finder it will be very difficult to people participate in BN after some time passed after the release.

Alaztor91

Yeah I don't know what ZOS was thinking when they designed the rewards for these, it's barely better than what you get for doing a Delve unless you get really lucky with a Recipe/Pattern. Even a freaking Harrowstorm is more rewarding when you consider the time spent and that's not even taking into account the Ichors and the fact that Bastion Nymic is instanced.

Jaraal

Yes, I did it a few times, realized the reward to time spent ratio was severely underwhelming, and never went back.

And that's what concerns me about the upcoming "endless dungeons." How many hours are we expected to grind this out in one sitting for.... a 5% chance at a purple furnishing plan? There had better be some exceptional rewards if they expect people to spend most of their game time doing this specific content.

Kappachi

Jimbru wrote: »

Bastion Nymic, intended for a group of four. Which you will definitely need unless you're a real raid tier player. I have tried twice to get in with groups.

The first group was only three people. We found that each group of trash mobs cumulatively has as many HP as a world boss, and when we got to the actual first boss, we couldn't finish him off and ended up giving up.

The second group, we had four players and were actually in the instance and I thought we were ready to start. Then suddenly everyone's meds wore off simultaneously and they were like "I don't have the quest, we need to kill Seekers", ran out all the way to Telvanni Peninsula and scattered all over looking for Seekers. I gave up trying to get everyone back together, and now I'm probably going to miss the daily because nobody seems to be doing the daily now and there is no LFG function for it.

This kind of thing simply isn't going to work, especially not as a daily quest. Bastion Nymic either needs to be changed to scale for solo play, or there needs to be a LFG, or group mechanics somehow need to be changed to allow for this kind of chaotic behavior. The simplest solution probably would be to rework it as a dungeon and let it use the regular dungeon queue.

The second group you had didn't understand that if you share the quest, then regardless of if you killed the seekers or not you will clear the dungeon. It works fine, you just need to know that you messed up yourself on that second group by not telling those players they'd get a clear if they just did the dungeon after the quest was shared.

stuartx13

I think it was put in like this to prove a point.The call for hard overland were only shouted out by a small few.And where are they now? i know there not doing Bastion Nymic.

Elsonso

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, I did it a few times, realized the reward to time spent ratio was severely underwhelming, and never went back.

And that's what concerns me about the upcoming "endless dungeons." How many hours are we expected to grind this out in one sitting for.... a 5% chance at a purple furnishing plan? There had better be some exceptional rewards if they expect people to spend most of their game time doing this specific content.

I hadn't even considered this. ZOS is rather stingy on drops and drop rates for special items is tragically low. People have been telling them for a while now to improve rewards across the board. They don't seem interested.

Argh. I now also expect that it will be a low reward activity. Lots of grind, though.

Kappachi

stuartx13 wrote: »

I think it was put in like this to prove a point.The call for hard overland were only shouted out by a small few.And where are they now? i know there not doing Bastion Nymic.

Wrong, I do bastion nymic and it's a great time and I called for harder overland. I love the constant threat of roaming world bosses as well and can solo them. It's a nice break from the easy overland content of the other zones.

stuartx13

I have done it to so what,But like i said it was a few and like i sad where are they at now? It's a 100%failure if only a few do it.

KlauthWarthog

Got the related achievements, called it a day. Wailing on a 850k health trash mob with no mechanics gets very dull, very fast. The only challenge they present is staying awake for the duration, with occasional guest appearances from our old friends, the CC glitches and malfunctions.

colossalvoids

Do you have some special insight in an instance of everyone to see if people are doing those? Chats have plenty of nymic callouts on pceu in off-time, pretty sure prime is the same at the very least and most people I know including me running it solo/duo, without vocally making sure the whole zone knows it. It's also not exactly new already, same as every other piece of content when people are getting 100% of it it's becomes a semi-wasteland if no adequate reward present. Just travel other zones to see how it's going when nothing of worth drops from an event to compare.

It's doing pretty fine for an activity that's seen like an answer to easy overland only by devs themselves and not the community.

Necrotech_Master

ESO_player123 wrote: »

stuartx13 wrote: »

So where are all the pople running ths seems like a failure to me no one doing this.

Most people who wanted this for achievements finished it on release. The rewards are lackluster, so there is really no reason to do it over and over again. That was the main concern: without a group finder it will be very difficult to people participate in BN after some time passed after the release.

i never really found the nymics to be difficult, though doing them solo is a bit of a slog since everything has dlc dungeon amounts of hp

i got all of the achievements related to them, but i still run them to help friends speed them up or clear them

ESO_player123

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

stuartx13 wrote: »

So where are all the pople running ths seems like a failure to me no one doing this.

Most people who wanted this for achievements finished it on release. The rewards are lackluster, so there is really no reason to do it over and over again. That was the main concern: without a group finder it will be very difficult to people participate in BN after some time passed after the release.

i never really found the nymics to be difficult, though doing them solo is a bit of a slog since everything has dlc dungeon amounts of hp

i got all of the achievements related to them, but i still run them to help friends speed them up or clear them

I meant "difficult" as in 'hard to find people to run it with after most people are done with it". Of course, if you are in an active guild with people willing to help that is a non issue. It was predicted that it would be an issue without a group finder for solo people or people whose guilds/friend list are dead. Doing 30 of them solo is possible, but, as you said, is s slog (especially since the rewards are not worth it).

notyuu

@ZOS_Kevin can we put this topci tp rest already, it has basically been two months of people complaining

Ravensilver

notyuu wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin can we put this topci tp rest already, it has basically been two months of people complaining

Obviously, there is something to complain about, or the thread would have died out.

Rkindaleft

The Bastion Nymic scene is pretty dead on PS/NA, I spent about 90 minutes in the zone yesterday and I think I saw a single person ask for help in zone chat the whole time. I haven't seen anyone ask for help in my guilds for a couple of weeks at least.

I was one opting for harder overland and I can solo these (I did a few for a lead) but the only overland thing about this is the part where you kill the Seekers to enter. It's basically just a much worse 4-player dungeon instance with a pretty insane amount of time investment required for a daily quest with garbage rewards. I can do Vateshran or Maelstrom on veteran faster for good/meta gear than I can solo these or I can do literally anything else in the game that's more rewarding in less time. I don't want to spend 30 minutes for the same stuff I get in 90 seconds from a base game delve + some occasional furnishings or antiquities.

The patch is not live yet on consoles so I don't know if the reduced health/less ichor requirement made them more tolerable, I would assume no. I don't think I will step in these again even during events.

valenwood_vegan

notyuu wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin can we put this topci tp rest already, it has basically been two months of people complaining

Just ignore the thread if it bothers you that much? I'm sorry, but you not liking a topic is not a valid reason to close it down.

I am of the opinion that ZoS needs to hear the community's feedback about Nymic, so that they maybe don't make the same mistakes next time.

fall0athboy

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

katanagirl1

fall0athboy wrote: »

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

I liked running these and trying to get the furnishing books, but waiting around in zone chat to find a group is boring and time-consuming.

Even from the very beginning I could never get anyone in my guild to do them and I’m in a very active guild, so that is not a definite answer despite what someone stated above.

Necrotech_Master

Rkindaleft wrote: »

The Bastion Nymic scene is pretty dead on PS/NA, I spent about 90 minutes in the zone yesterday and I think I saw a single person ask for help in zone chat the whole time. I haven't seen anyone ask for help in my guilds for a couple of weeks at least.

I was one opting for harder overland and I can solo these (I did a few for a lead) but the only overland thing about this is the part where you kill the Seekers to enter. It's basically just a much worse 4-player dungeon instance with a pretty insane amount of time investment required for a daily quest with garbage rewards. I can do Vateshran or Maelstrom on veteran faster for good/meta gear than I can solo these or I can do literally anything else in the game that's more rewarding in less time. I don't want to spend 30 minutes for the same stuff I get in 90 seconds from a base game delve + some occasional furnishings or antiquities.

The patch is not live yet on consoles so I don't know if the reduced health/less ichor requirement made them more tolerable, I would assume no. I don't think I will step in these again even during events.

they reduced the health of the seekers significantly

they originally were about 1.8 mil hp, and now about 850k hp

you also only need 4 ichor instead of 5 to get into the nymic, so with a group of 2 or 3, you only need to kill 2 seekers, in a group of 4, you only need to kill 1 seeker (if everyone has the same quest of course)

so that helps tone that step down a bit, honestly with the seeker hp being reduced by about 55% can much more easily burn them down (though they still have those phases where they disappear, but if you have enough dps you can burn them down before they disappear a 2nd time now)

katanagirl1

Seeker health being reduced might help, but it seems most players get people to join group by advertising that the portal is already open, so you would still need 4 seekers if killing them solo up front.

Hapexamendios

For me killing the seekers has not been an issue. The reduced health and ichor requirements will make it faster and that's good. The biggest problem I've had it getting people to go. Weekdays my time zone is the main reason, I live in Tokyo. On weekends, most people don't seem to want to do them even of you've already killed the seeekers. There needs to be better rewards for the nimics imo.

spartaxoxo

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Seeker health being reduced might help, but it seems most players get people to join group by advertising that the portal is already open, so you would still need 4 seekers if killing them solo up front.

Yeah. Realistically I basically never see people doing the seekers as a group because then nobody will join and it would take so long that you could've just done it by yourself. They just get the ichor and then advertise for a group to join them once the portal is open.

FantasticFreddie

The problem with the nymics is the drop rates are soooo low that there is no point. In the time it takes you to do 1 nymic you can do at least 2 other dailies. It's more efficient to skip them and do dailies with multiple people.

boi_anachronism_

Honestly i was thriled i actually got a more challanging type of content for once. Everything in the game besides raiding is easy. There are always people grouping in chat and a 1.5 mil boss is really not that big of a deal.. thats less then world bosses in deshaan. Also it literally takes one person to have the seeker stuff and have the open portal. They group, share the quest and then just travel to you. Only one person needs to do all the parts of the quest.

Snamyap

fall0athboy wrote: »

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

They added a motif?

BlueRaven

The popularity has dried up?

Who could have foreseen that happening?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/631700/bastion-nymic-daily-who-is-the-intended-audience-for-this

FantasticFreddie

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Honestly i was thriled i actually got a more challanging type of content for once. Everything in the game besides raiding is easy. There are always people grouping in chat and a 1.5 mil boss is really not that big of a deal.. thats less then world bosses in deshaan. Also it literally takes one person to have the seeker stuff and have the open portal. They group, share the quest and then just travel to you. Only one person needs to do all the parts of the quest.

It's a dungeon with worse rewards. That's literally all it is. Are you going to do them more than 30 times?

FantasticFreddie

Snamyap wrote: »

fall0athboy wrote: »

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

They added a motif?

Motifs and patterns have a chance to drop from the coffers for the daily quests. Because it's just a small chance, you have better odds to skip the BN and do the delve and world boss quests. A group of four can get 8 coffers, swap characters, and get 8 more pretty fast, and since the WB and delves don't have an arbitrary group limit of four you can make a fun guild event put of it.

Arthtur

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

fall0athboy wrote: »

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

They added a motif?

Motifs and patterns have a chance to drop from the coffers for the daily quests. Because it's just a small chance, you have better odds to skip the BN and do the delve and world boss quests. A group of four can get 8 coffers, swap characters, and get 8 more pretty fast, and since the WB and delves don't have an arbitrary group limit of four you can make a fun guild event put of it.

There isnt a motif in there yet. It is in game but it doesnt drop. It should start dropping in next 2 months.