The human dynamics of Bastion Nymic don't work

FantasticFreddie

Arthtur wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

fall0athboy wrote: »

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

They added a motif?

Motifs and patterns have a chance to drop from the coffers for the daily quests. Because it's just a small chance, you have better odds to skip the BN and do the delve and world boss quests. A group of four can get 8 coffers, swap characters, and get 8 more pretty fast, and since the WB and delves don't have an arbitrary group limit of four you can make a fun guild event put of it.

There isnt a motif in there yet. It is in game but it doesnt drop. It should start dropping in next 2 months.

I got a motif last night

ETA: From a world boss or delve coffer.

Arthtur

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

fall0athboy wrote: »

The fact that it still isn't seeing a resurgence despite the motif being added recently says a lot about how nobody likes this content.

They added a motif?

Motifs and patterns have a chance to drop from the coffers for the daily quests. Because it's just a small chance, you have better odds to skip the BN and do the delve and world boss quests. A group of four can get 8 coffers, swap characters, and get 8 more pretty fast, and since the WB and delves don't have an arbitrary group limit of four you can make a fun guild event put of it.

There isnt a motif in there yet. It is in game but it doesnt drop. It should start dropping in next 2 months.

I got a motif last night

U got a motif with a number 123? From a Nymic daily?

Edit. Just because there is a motif for WB and Delves doesnt mean there is a motif for bastion Nymic.
Daily quests for WB and delves drop motif nr 122: Dead Keeper while Bastion Nymic will drop motif nr 123: Kindred's Concord which is in the game but doesnt drop yet.

Finedaible

With how many motifs that exist now, I really don't feel like they are rewards. It's not like I'm going to use all of them anyway and if I find a piece that would look nice I can just buy that single page off a trader.

Same thing with furnishings, at this point there's more than players will actually use.

Jimbru

The fact that this thread is still going three months after I posted it is proof enough. Bastion Nymic needs reworked, badly.

Gray_howling_parrot

Finedaible wrote: »

With how many motifs that exist now, I really don't feel like they are rewards. It's not like I'm going to use all of them anyway and if I find a piece that would look nice I can just buy that single page off a trader.

Same thing with furnishings, at this point there's more than players will actually use.

You can also just buy the motif once it’s in the crown store lol. There’s no prestige or anything behind 99% of the game

Granden_Woodleafson

Now they've worked BN into an event, you'd think with all the people involved in the event there would be a greater chance to find a group for it, not so. I really used to love this game, but this event is making me nauseous and want to put it away for a while. Bastion Nymic, what a waste of time! Secrets of Telvanni is really a disappointment, I was really looking forward to it. What it boils down to for me now is doing the 2 dailies (omitting the BN one), turning in the pages, make my vote for Yensa then get away from that place as soon as possible!

ESO_player123

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Now they've worked BN into an event, you'd think with all the people involved in the event there would be a greater chance to find a group for it, not so. I really used to love this game, but this event is making me nauseous and want to put it away for a while. Bastion Nymic, what a waste of time! Secrets of Telvanni is really a disappointment, I was really looking forward to it. What it boils down to for me now is doing the 2 dailies (omitting the BN one), turning in the pages, make my vote for Yensa then get away from that place as soon as possible!

The best way to find people is to kill the seekers yourself, open the gate, and advertise in the zone chat that the gate is already open.

That said, finding people outside of events will be harder and harder as, once the achievement is acquired, there is not much to do there. The rewards suck. Hopefully the new group finder includes BN as well.

Hapexamendios

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Now they've worked BN into an event, you'd think with all the people involved in the event there would be a greater chance to find a group for it, not so. I really used to love this game, but this event is making me nauseous and want to put it away for a while. Bastion Nymic, what a waste of time! Secrets of Telvanni is really a disappointment, I was really looking forward to it. What it boils down to for me now is doing the 2 dailies (omitting the BN one), turning in the pages, make my vote for Yensa then get away from that place as soon as possible!

The best way to find people is to kill the seekers yourself, open the gate, and advertise in the zone chat that the gate is already open.
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This is what I've been doing. People usually respond fairly quickly to it even in off hours.

MidniteOwl1913

I didn't realize until I got the quest that when you find and kill the four seekers the gate is one *specific* gate, not pick a gate, pour in the icor. Why that is the case I don't know. I've tried standing around the gate to see if anyone else had that gate but no one ever shows up.

No one in chat mentions a specific gate when advertising for a group... Not sure how to proceed.

ANd yes, this is very poor design I will never do one of these again.

SilverBride

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

No one in chat mentions a specific gate when advertising for a group...

They mention the gate a lot on PCNA.

xclassgaming

I can say i love what zos usually does and the forums nearly, very nearly always overreacted but to bastian nymic? no, this is one of those rare 1 in a million chances when the forums are actually right about something, bastian nymic is in dire need of a change, the event on pc-eu has brought some life back to it, but when the event ends i guarantee it'll be dead again.

Shagreth

Am I the only one that has been doing the daily with no issues whatsoever? Sometimes even solo or with my wife. I mean, this community sure is weird, they put something (finally) that requirea a little bit of skill that can't be soloed while naked and people riot. I genuinely feel sorry for the devs. @ZOS_Kevin Please, keep putting challenging content to the world, Necrom was refreshing in that regard.

p.s. I'm not even a raider, I'm a friggin casual with a decent build.

Edit: I'm definitely in them minority, damn. The only problem for me with Nymic is that it's not rewarding enough to be worth the trouble. Lastly, there's seems to be an alarming number of people that want to turn ESO into a single player game. I'd agree if it at least had a decent story. But seriously, remember that this is an mmo you're playing and grouping up with people is a thing.

fizl101

stuartx13 wrote: »

I think it was put in like this to prove a point.The call for hard overland were only shouted out by a small few.And where are they now? i know there not doing Bastion Nymic.

This isn't harder overland/questing though. This is a 4 man instance. It isn't going to suddenly make the final boss at the end of the main storyline a challenge to those who want it (I'm all for optional before anyone says not everyone wants it harder)

Shagreth

fizl101 wrote: »

This isn't harder overland/questing though. This is a 4 man instance. It isn't going to suddenly make the final boss at the end of the main storyline a challenge to those who want it (I'm all for optional before anyone says not everyone wants it harder)

Oh yes, Nymic is a poor answer to the 'Harder Overland ' demands.

fizzylu

@Shagreth yeah, this is my first time seeing this thread and I'm a little shocked. I do agree that it is a little tedious to do for a daily, but I can solo bastions no problem and my build is even built more for PvP than PvE. I wouldn't even really call them very challenging, but it is nicer to see more content where I'm not killing enemies with one hit of my spammable and finisher. I do agree with some other comments here that bosses do have a bit too much health, as well. There have been multiple where I knew for a fact they could not kill me, it just took a long while to kill.... but I also know it's content intended for a group so I don't feel right saying they should have their health lowered either.... and clearly asking for harder mechanics would also upset some.... so I feel like like there's really no way for Zenimax to "win" here, haha.

And I don't at all say this in a "git gud" sense to people who struggle with them, I just think it's fair that there is slightly more tougher content out there and I hope to continue to see more of it as well. Better rewards would be great, but I feel like most content in ESO isn't very rewarding in comparison to other MMOs so I doubt Zenimax will ever change that sadly. At least endless archive looks to have a decent amount of rewards locked behind it's currency.... but I'm sure even that will feel pointless after a short while.

Shagreth

@fizzylu I was honestly shocked myself, but at the same time not, the target demographic of ESO is different than other MMO's. I'd probably get called out for ageism and get a warning (there's a certain someone that absolutely loves reporting people around here, she's notorious) if I said more, and that is a bit of a problem because they should be thinking about new blood too. It's very underwhelming to get such a huge build up for a villain (i.e. Molag Bal) and then end up two shotting him in your undies, and that's one example. But believe it or not, a lot of people actually consider overland hard. Yeah, I don't know either.

And I'll agree, ESO's biggest issue is still the lack of rewards. And putting a mount for finishing the quests of Necrom or a free House that everyone gets doesn't cut it. We need more stuff like solo arenas etc. (and for existing group content) and for them to having amazing stuff to unlock. Then they need to modernize the game, new animations, character models, you name it. @ZOS_Kevin Pardon the constant tags, but please consider all this.

CoronHR

i had a problem with nymics in the beginning, in that they were frustrating to figure out and a bit shocking in how unexpectedly hard they were, but now that i ... and probably others ... have figured them out, i think they're fine

i would say that the only problem was in the beginning when no one knew what they were, and because we had never encountered such an instance in eso, some guidance really could have helped. but now i have no problem with them at all

Wolf_Eye

I wouldn't mind if they would make it a bit more clear/straightforward that "no, you do not have to go to the other mini-zones (Peryite/Vaermina/Mora) in order to defeat the final boss. You just have to do the one zone you were warped to".

Because I think that part was a little confusing to me and my group the first time. We ran around a lot.

FantasticFreddie

Shagreth wrote: »

Am I the only one that has been doing the daily with no issues whatsoever? Sometimes even solo or with my wife. I mean, this community sure is weird, they put something (finally) that requirea a little bit of skill that can't be soloed while naked and people riot. I genuinely feel sorry for the devs. @ZOS_Kevin Please, keep putting challenging content to the world, Necrom was refreshing in that regard.

p.s. I'm not even a raider, I'm a friggin casual with a decent build.

Edit: I'm definitely in them minority, damn. The only problem for me with Nymic is that it's not rewarding enough to be worth the trouble. Lastly, there's seems to be an alarming number of people that want to turn ESO into a single player game. I'd agree if it at least had a decent story. But seriously, remember that this is an mmo you're playing and grouping up with people is a thing.

The problem isn't that it's difficult, the problem is it's bad. If it had been an arena, with vet and normal difficulties, and unique weapon drops, people would LOVE it. The secret bosses cpuld have given you buffs, there could have been a trifecta achievement, it could have been been really cool.

Instead, they made it so you can't even DO them without picking up a quest first, the rewards are junk, and we are told to be happy with a watered-down dungeon instead of a world event.

MidniteOwl1913

SilverBride wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

No one in chat mentions a specific gate when advertising for a group...

They mention the gate a lot on PCNA.

On PSNA I think mostly they make the groups first before picking up the quest. I mostly play late at night maybe it's different during prime hours.

MidniteOwl1913

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

Am I the only one that has been doing the daily with no issues whatsoever? Sometimes even solo or with my wife. I mean, this community sure is weird, they put something (finally) that requirea a little bit of skill that can't be soloed while naked and people riot. I genuinely feel sorry for the devs. @ZOS_Kevin Please, keep putting challenging content to the world, Necrom was refreshing in that regard.

p.s. I'm not even a raider, I'm a friggin casual with a decent build.

Edit: I'm definitely in them minority, damn. The only problem for me with Nymic is that it's not rewarding enough to be worth the trouble. Lastly, there's seems to be an alarming number of people that want to turn ESO into a single player game. I'd agree if it at least had a decent story. But seriously, remember that this is an mmo you're playing and grouping up with people is a thing.

The problem isn't that it's difficult, the problem is it's bad. If it had been an arena, with vet and normal difficulties, and unique weapon drops, people would LOVE it. The secret bosses cpuld have given you buffs, there could have been a trifecta achievement, it could have been been really cool.

Instead, they made it so you can't even DO them without picking up a quest first, the rewards are junk, and we are told to be happy with a watered-down dungeon instead of a world event.

If this is supposed to like harrow storms and dragons, etc. then making it instanced was a big mistake. Part of the fun of those larger events is just happening on one and just joining in.

FantasticFreddie

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

Am I the only one that has been doing the daily with no issues whatsoever? Sometimes even solo or with my wife. I mean, this community sure is weird, they put something (finally) that requirea a little bit of skill that can't be soloed while naked and people riot. I genuinely feel sorry for the devs. @ZOS_Kevin Please, keep putting challenging content to the world, Necrom was refreshing in that regard.

p.s. I'm not even a raider, I'm a friggin casual with a decent build.

Edit: I'm definitely in them minority, damn. The only problem for me with Nymic is that it's not rewarding enough to be worth the trouble. Lastly, there's seems to be an alarming number of people that want to turn ESO into a single player game. I'd agree if it at least had a decent story. But seriously, remember that this is an mmo you're playing and grouping up with people is a thing.

The problem isn't that it's difficult, the problem is it's bad. If it had been an arena, with vet and normal difficulties, and unique weapon drops, people would LOVE it. The secret bosses cpuld have given you buffs, there could have been a trifecta achievement, it could have been been really cool.

Instead, they made it so you can't even DO them without picking up a quest first, the rewards are junk, and we are told to be happy with a watered-down dungeon instead of a world event.

If this is supposed to like harrow storms and dragons, etc. then making it instanced was a big mistake. Part of the fun of those larger events is just happening on one and just joining in.

Exactly this.

EF321

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

I didn't realize until I got the quest that when you find and kill the four seekers the gate is one *specific* gate, not pick a gate, pour in the icor. Why that is the case I don't know. I've tried standing around the gate to see if anyone else had that gate but no one ever shows up.

No one in chat mentions a specific gate when advertising for a group... Not sure how to proceed.

ANd yes, this is very poor design I will never do one of these again.

If everyone in the group shares the same quest, progress from all members looting one seeker will stack and one seeker for group is enough to open the gate.

If gate is already open by one of the members, it does not matter which quest other members have, they can all go in and it will count.

Morgaledh

CoronHR wrote: »

i had a problem with nymics in the beginning, in that they were frustrating to figure out and a bit shocking in how unexpectedly hard they were, but now that i ... and probably others ... have figured them out, i think they're fine

i would say that the only problem was in the beginning when no one knew what they were, and because we had never encountered such an instance in eso, some guidance really could have helped. but now i have no problem with them at all

This has been my experience, too. I heard they were a mess to do with groups so I just jumped into one solo. It took me forever to fight to the boss, so I thought "This is not the way". I know my class and play well but I have never stepped foot in a trial and never plan to, so I'm hardly some pro, but once people learn the way around (we just follow the quest markers!) and remember that situational awareness is king, they come together just fine. They are tough sometimes, but it's been awhile since I was in a BS group that wiped, and for the most part it's fun. What can I say, I like it.

Rogue_WolfESO

It sucks that some of you are finding trouble with BN grouping. I will share what has been working for myself.
I grab my ichors and head to the respective gate once I have my 4. Sometimes you need to wait a few minutes but there are always other people also heading to said gate. I simply wait for people to show up, at which point most of the time someone will invite or in zone chat you will see LFM bn x" at which point you group up. Easy peasy.

Necrotech_Master

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

It sucks that some of you are finding trouble with BN grouping. I will share what has been working for myself.
I grab my ichors and head to the respective gate once I have my 4. Sometimes you need to wait a few minutes but there are always other people also heading to said gate. I simply wait for people to show up, at which point most of the time someone will invite or in zone chat you will see LFM bn x" at which point you group up. Easy peasy.

if your just waiting for someone else to start shouting LFG, then you dont even need to bother with ichors

you could just get the quest share and port right into the nymic if they say the gate is open

or if you already have the nymic quest they are advertising, you also dont need ichors if they say the gate is open

illusiouk

I got tired of trying to get a group so I went in solo for my first time and managed to solo the Irrefutable Herald, I know there are two other sections but I wasn't impressed so I won't be back in there.

Overall I don't like the new content at all and watching the new endless dungeon on twitch with the dev's I doubt I will be playing that much, I actually fell asleep watching their play.