Account-Wide Achievements IS COMING

Hrolthar

Does this mean I don’t have to research all 9 traits on all characters? Or is this just for titles?

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

Hrolthar wrote: »

Does this mean I don’t have to research all 9 traits on all character’s? Or is this just for titles?

Titles apparently, it definitely doesn't affect crafting they already said that will remain per character

Hrolthar

Is there anything meaningful at all included?

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

Hrolthar wrote: »

Is there anything meaningful at all included?

Doesn't appear to be, seems to just be titles which helps no one & has upset most. But then @ZOS_Kevin said they want feedback on it & seemed to suggest it wasn't set in stone yet.......

I just want accountwide motifs

Casul

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We're glad that we can bring account wide achievements to everyone! We'll have more details as we get closer.

[snip]

really amazing idea.

[edited to remove quote]

Taggund

I avoided playing alts because of the lack of account-wide achievements. I created alts so I could play different aspects of the game, so I'm happy that I will be able to play an alt and not feel guilty about not being on the main.

stargazer69

Taggund wrote: »

I avoided playing alts because of the lack of account-wide achievements. I created alts so I could play different aspects of the game, so I'm happy that I will be able to play an alt and not feel guilty about not being on the main.

Please explain. Your alts should have zero anything (they're new), how can they inherit any acheivement / title that they haven't earned / bought from the store?

Karivaa

So now all of my characters will have 5 stars and be former emps? Ridiculous! I enjoy working for those achievements.

Xarc

Qyrk wrote: »

Just imagining those people with multiple Master Angler

hahaha

spartaxoxo

Taggund wrote: »

I avoided playing alts because of the lack of account-wide achievements. I created alts so I could play different aspects of the game, so I'm happy that I will be able to play an alt and not feel guilty about not being on the main.

Same. I have avoided helping people before too because I wasn't on the character that needed an achievment and wasn't prepared to switch in a timely fashion. So let someone else help them.

haelgaan

[snip] why would they do this?

[edited for bashing]

Dragonnord

So my I-never-learned-to-play-it-and-I-suck-at-it stamblade can be a Godslayer without ever going to Sunspire and also a Grand Overlord without ever putting a foot in Cyrodiil?
 

daim

If only motifs and recipes are account wide, i care little of the rest.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

daim wrote: »

If only motifs and recipes are account wide, i care little of the rest.

Agree 100% motifs going accountwide would improve game play for me & remove a lot of tedium

Phen0meenal

Why are there so many people obsessed with their "toons" not having achievements because muh roleplay? Are you serious? It's an MMO. Your roleplaying should not keep the majority of the playerbase and completionists from getting 100% on everything just because you don't want the murderer achievement on your "pacifist toon".

The worst people are the ones saying MMOs never really had achievements up till recently. Yeah, if recently is like 15 years ago.

Cease your complaining.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

Phen0meenal wrote: »

Why are there so many people obsessed with their "toons" not having achievements because muh roleplay? Are you serious? It's an MMO. Your roleplaying should not keep the majority of the playerbase and completionists from getting 100% on everything just because you don't want the murderer achievement on your "pacifist toon".

The worst people are the ones saying MMOs never really had achievements up till recently. Yeah, if recently is like 15 years ago.

Cease your complaining.

Coffee on screen at "pacifist toon"

Lylith

master angler on all my characters instead of just one?

yeah, that ain't right.

MilitiaMasterV

After doing the Thieves guild/Assassins guild story-lines the 3rd or 4th time, it became boring. By the 6th or 7th character, it was boring as heck and doing it for achievements/to unlock that skill line was just annoying/monotonous(And should be removed IMO). I'm all for account wide stuff in regards to stuff like that, but I get the whole 'I earned this on this specific character' too. But as for things like holiday 'only able to earn it once' type stuff, that SHOULD be account wide. I found it really dumb that I'd have to log around to multiple characters to try and earn the same thing over and over again during events, and have artificial barriers placed in my way (You can only earn so many per day type things) to thwart it.

One of my major gripes/why I haven't gone back to LOTRO is because they added a feature that shows you everything you can/could earn there, and then made it ALL CHARACTER SPECIFIC, so you literally have to earn it again and again. That's not 'fun' (At least for me personally, I get some people enjoy that.)

If the game would ever work for me again(It doesn't function currently because of a broken launcher), I'd like to see this done. I certainly don't want to do the Psijic stuff over and over again, I only want to do it once, and be done. That quest line just didn't appeal to me much, so I just didn't even push it on any of them because of knowing I'd have to do it. I'd started to finally begin pushing through Summerset when the game went and stopped working, so I'd probably have delved into that since that's the area it seems centered around.

I didn't really do much crafting other than to learn the motifs on my 'first few characters (Before I learned you only need them on one character really...), so that wouldn't really phase me, and I don't PvP so I don't really have an opinion on that either. But anything that makes you repeatedly bash your head on a 'wall' they put in your way probably shouldn't exist...

Annyelle

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

I wish this was optional. I like to keep individual track of each characters achievements.

I wish this was optional too, or that there was an "account wide" version along with an individual character related version, especially when it comes to quest completion achievements. I preferred having individual achievements for all my alts tied to the dates I created and played certain things with them- having that wiped away makes achievements themselves feel less special, as I used to go out on special days with a favored character (like my birthday) to grab an achievement.

I liked grabbing the achievements on each alt, it was just...fun, and it felt like the character was keeping their own "journal". It wasn't about needing a gold star for doing stuff or anything...it was more an in game record of my characters actions, like a scrap book. The dates were sentimental to me. I always made it a point to get certain achievements on a characters "creation day", for example. I understand not everyone sees it this way, and thats fine- for them I'm happy. For the rest of us though...

I don't know, I get people are thrilled about this. I wish there was some other way to go about it, though. I never wanted or needed account wide achievements and wish I could toggle it off for my account so that others could be happy with it while those of us who don't want it could keep things as they are.

I agree completely! Is it going to be like "One and Done?" Every delve, world boss, quest, etc. I can only get achievement for one time? So in a game designed completely for playing with multiple characters, only one can win achievement? What's the point then of exploring or returning anywhere if it's all just going to feel completed? What about Events? I just played a new character during New life because I wanted to do the achievements! This is a ROLE PLAYING GAME!!!!! Achievements help with progress and give satisfaction for, you know, achieving something. I'm very upset 😔 about this. I sincerely hope they pay attention to us and offer option of NOT syncing each character. Maybe you might decide you do want another character to share them, but another one not to. I return to areas and redo them with new character sometimes but I just plain forgot the story details🤣 and achievements are FUN! Please don't make this mandatory, like the skyshards. Not happy about losing the ability to explore for those anymore either.

Phen0meenal

Lylith wrote: »

master angler on all my characters instead of just one?

yeah, that ain't right.

I think it is. I ain't doing that grind more than once, and I want to see my progress reflected when I swap characters because DK is boring or NB sucks this patch or whatever.

wolfie1.0.

Phen0meenal wrote: »

Why are there so many people obsessed with their "toons" not having achievements because muh roleplay? Are you serious? It's an MMO. Your roleplaying should not keep the majority of the playerbase and completionists from getting 100% on everything just because you don't want the murderer achievement on your "pacifist toon".

The worst people are the ones saying MMOs never really had achievements up till recently. Yeah, if recently is like 15 years ago.

Cease your complaining.

a true completionist would be totally fine with doing achievements on multiple characters. We have character slots and achievements to measure progress. Yes, some of us LIKE doing things from scratch. its a challenge.

As for the majority of the player base.. i am willing to bet that most players don't really care about most of them. The ones that they do care about are locked behind achievements that most of them wont be able to get.

Also, i will add that players have been complaining about not having account wide achievements on the forums for ages. So telling someone to stop complaining is ironic at best, and something i could be banned on here for saying at worst.

what they should have done is made new achievements that summarize your account as a whole, while still leaving the majority character based. just my opinion.

deejayvee

For me, this is probably more positive than negative.

It's 6 months away, so plenty of time to add in an optional tickbox to keep everyone happy?

tmbrinks

deejayvee wrote: »

For me, this is probably more positive than negative.

It's 6 months away, so plenty of time to add in an optional tickbox to keep everyone happy?

It's not 6 months away. It's 6 weeks away. This is coming in the DLC update in early March.

It'll be on the PTS in 4 days. The system is already in. It's done.

isdcaptain

Can we also get a class change token? It sucks having to level up a horse again.

Awnia

stargazer69 wrote: »

Taggund wrote: »

I avoided playing alts because of the lack of account-wide achievements. I created alts so I could play different aspects of the game, so I'm happy that I will be able to play an alt and not feel guilty about not being on the main.

Please explain. Your alts should have zero anything (they're new), how can they inherit any acheivement / title that they haven't earned / bought from the store?

Yeah, so every unlock should be only available on characters that did them, plus here's an idea for zos: make all crown store items character wide only, since your alts didn't purchase them.

Why'd your freshly born adult alt have access to almost a hundred houses instantly?

Phen0meenal

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Phen0meenal wrote: »

Why are there so many people obsessed with their "toons" not having achievements because muh roleplay? Are you serious? It's an MMO. Your roleplaying should not keep the majority of the playerbase and completionists from getting 100% on everything just because you don't want the murderer achievement on your "pacifist toon".

The worst people are the ones saying MMOs never really had achievements up till recently. Yeah, if recently is like 15 years ago.

Cease your complaining.

a true completionist would be totally fine with doing achievements on multiple characters. We have character slots and achievements to measure progress. Yes, some of us LIKE doing things from scratch. its a challenge.

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from doing this again.

Cleared mythic raids in WoW on several characters over again for fun. Joined parse runs for fun, for the challenge of learning it on a new character. Leveled several new characters just for fun. I don't see why me wanting a challenge on a new character should mean that my insanity should extend to the whole playerbase not getting to see their progress reflected on an alt.

You did the master angler achievement and tamriel hero on your old main and now want to roll warden/necromancer? screw you, start over with absolutely nothing to show for your time.

Cirantille

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Taggund wrote: »

I avoided playing alts because of the lack of account-wide achievements. I created alts so I could play different aspects of the game, so I'm happy that I will be able to play an alt and not feel guilty about not being on the main.

Same. I have avoided helping people before too because I wasn't on the character that needed an achievment and wasn't prepared to switch in a timely fashion. So let someone else help them.

Same
Every now and then people ask me to heal a vet trial or dungeon and I refuse it
Because they also request for a templar or warden healer
But my main is a sorc, I just roll as DD to avoid such headache with leads
Now this won't be an issue
This change will actually make me play my alt characters more!

peacenote

xAKlMB0xSLlCEx wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

This change takes away from players to be able to re-play content on other classes or roles and get that feeling of accomplishment.

This change takes away from the roleplaying community who may not want certain titles/achievements on specific characters.

This change changes nothing for everybody else, because you could just figure out what you had done on your whole account (or if on PC, use an add-on to do it for you)

So, a sizable portion of the player base loses significantly in their game satisfaction.

Just add a global tab. See total account progress. Keep all characters separate. Don't overthink it.

(Most arguing for global achievements wanted it for research/motifs/etc... anyways, which isn't happening as they're tied to writ rewards)

@ZOS_Kevin please give this feedback to the appropriate teams.

I can't agree more. There is absolutely nothing (other than people wanting research, motifs, skyshards, etc. which isn't happened anyways) that needs to be account wide. It ruins a significant portion of the game for people who have most things completed already.

A global tab is a perfect middle ground to keep everyone satisfied

I have been playing ESO since release. This may be the single most upsetting ESO-related announcement that I have heard, ever. And I am trying to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt, that it will be done well and artfully but I'm so disappointed I have had to wait before replying as it probably would have broken many forum rules. I have never done this before but... @ZOS_Kevin, please please take this feedback to the devs.

First, new systems should never take away things some people truly enjoy unless there is no other choice and the game was on the verge of dying due to its negative impact (which it's not, hence the reference to the landmark number of subscribers!). There is almost always a way to incorporate new things without ruining existing things. It's not like this is a new MMO, and this isn't some of those other MMOs with global only achievements. Sometimes you have to realize what makes ESO successful and be careful not to remove it. And when people ask for something - like account wide achievements - you need to truly understand what's driving those requests and not wreck what many others thought was fantastic for years and years in the process. Plus, if ESO keeps growing as you say, obviously this isn't something that's keeping people away.

It is fun, and satisfying, and drastically adds to the replayability of content, as tmbrinks stated, to have achievements pop up when you are playing an alt. Look! We got speed run that time! Look! I killed this many wraiths! To this day when I'm on voice chat with my friends we call out when we get achievements, even the silly ones. It's fun. Please, please, please don't take this experience away.

Second, I love knowing WHEN my characters have done something. I like working towards things on my alts. I absolutely do not want my alts to have achievements show as "met" when I log into them after this is implemented, showing the date the first character achieved it, showing "today's" date, or removing the dates altogether. Any of those options would be extremely disappointing. Having a bunch of achievements pop up on my alts in login that for content I didn't take them through yet? So, so, so lame. ESO is so much more about lore and RPG and the story and the world than other MMOs; this is important to many of us.

Why can't we track both account and individual character achievements?!? Is the character specific progress really hurting anyone? Isn't ESO "play the way you want," or whatever? Having less information about our characters makes the game worse, not better.

I am probably partially so upset because, since it has been so long, I was sure this would never come. I was certain ZOS would never just take away an aspect of the game that tracks individual character achievements because they'd understand that they have players - especially longtime, loyal ones, who enjoy this aspect of the game.

Third, this is SUCH a contradiction in strategy and "game world rules", which always bothers me. The whole companion system requires each character unlock the companion and have a separate reputation score. If you're going for account-wide achievements, REMOVE THIS. Either we say it's one player behind all the characters, or we don't. But it is completely inconsistent to tell folks that they can RP relationships per character with the companion but they no longer can track most other progress separately or have documentation in game of when a character did something. In fact, the companion reputation system is what made me so certain we'd never lose character specific achievements. It seemed like a strong nod to the fact that people wanted character-specific experiences for RP.

Now I understand that there are some people who want global achievements and would not be satisfied with a global tracker as an addition. These people are:

The "Purist" Completionists And, there are two flavors.

1. There are people who feel like they HAVE to get every achievement on every character, to the point that it seems to impact their enjoyment of trying alts and playing the game. The idea of making a new character and having to start over is crippling when they think of everything they "have" to do.
   
   I suspect those folks, KNOWING that there are still individual achievements, will still feel frustrated and overwhelmed. A global toggle, so they could choose to never see them, and suppressing those pop ups when it is active, could help. But it seems to me that it is asking a LOT more of people who will miss character specific achievements to completely remove them, so the option isn't there, than it is asking some folks to take a deep breath, look at the global tracker, and be satisfied. It's like expecting PvP to be ripped out of the game because you don't like to do it and you don't want to have to look at the un-done achievements.
2. There are people who really are adamant that titles should not carry over to characters who haven't earned them. Some think it cheapens the titles, and some are really upset about it for role play purposes.
   
   I do think this is another extreme view, at this point, when most other awards are account-wide. Titles don't mean someone is "good." We kind of need to accept that someone sporting a collectible or dye may not have unlocked it on that specific toon. I think a good compromise here is to let the titles be account-wide, but put a star in the character selection list if the character hasn't earned the title. Yes, "other people" might be wearing titles on roles when they haven't earned them...and folks are just going to have to let that one go... but at least it would be easier for RP'ers to avoid titles that don't work with their characters or aren't yet earned. This would give folks who want to "switch mains" SOMETHING while still throwing a bone to players care about character specific titling. AND since character-specific achievements would still exist, you can always "prove" to someone whether you earned a title (if both parties involved really care) by taking a screenshot of when your character earned it. You could do something where earned and un-earned titles display in a slightly different color, too.

When there are multiple view points, adding, enhancing, and giving options is always better than blatantly taking something away from some people to satisfy others. It divides the player base. Perhaps what you're really doing is adding a global tracker but achievements still will pop up and register per character but.... it sure doesn't sound like it right now.

Also, I truly apologize to the devs who are probably excited to bring this to all the people who have vocally asked for it. I don't mean to sound unappreciative. In this case I feel perhaps you didn't have all of the information. I certainly never got surveyed, as an active subscriber, on whether I'd enjoy this feature. Please consider making the tweaks I describe (or something else that solves the same issues) as it's such a shame that something you put so much work into is so very devastating for some of us, and it wouldn't have to be. And if you ARE planning to keep the individual tracking, I am sorry for my lack of faith.

Cadbury

I'm actually more excited about the account-wide achievements than the card game.

kargen27

We are all frogs sitting in the pot, water getting warmer and we have no idea we are about to boil.

Unless I misunderstand the change this isn't an idea that is good for the game long term. If more than one character can work towards an achievement that is a very poor decision.