Account-Wide Achievements IS COMING

tmbrinks

robwolf666 wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand... do you mean if I get, say, "Hero of Blackwood" for one character, that will automatically be unlocked for every character I have, not just the one I unlocked it with? If so, I don't like it, I like to earn these things with my new characters, it's part of the replay incentive for me, [snip]

Based on the wording from the stream, that is precisely what will happen. With only some very limited exceptions.

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Dark_Lord_Kuro

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

Devilon wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

I wish this was optional. I like to keep individual track of each characters achievements.

Do you see the irony in that statement? You, the player, earned them achievements. The character(s) are just the tools you used to earn them.

to some extent i have to say: You the player earned them achievements with the tool you had in your hand in this case, the character.
Doing vKA trifecta on a DD is vastly different than doing it on a tank.

But then what is stopping you from respecing that dd into a tank and still have the title

Its the exact same thing

Doing a trifecta on my main stamblade does in no way show that I am at all competent or capable of doing the same on my magwarden!

Neither does it show you are capable on doing it on a tankblade after a quick respec of the stamblade but nothing stop you from equiping it still

Dark_Lord_Kuro

IronWooshu wrote: »

Dungeon achievements counted towards Undaunted XP skill line. It's gonna be an even bigger slog now to get the skill line fully unlocked when the achievements are already accounted for.

[snip]

Or maybe even quicker, as soon as you log in acheivement earned on your main will unlock, maybe the skill line too, if it work like acomplishing a bunch of acheivement at once

We will see monday

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Elsonso

robwolf666 wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand... do you mean if I get, say, "Hero of Blackwood" for one character, that will automatically be unlocked for every character I have, not just the one I unlocked it with? If so, I don't like it, I like to earn these things with my new characters, it's part of the replay incentive for me, [snip]

Yes, that is what it looks like. However, you will not be forced to use that title on characters that you do not want to use it on.

While the details won't be known until Monday, what it appears is that for almost all achievements, you will not be able to repeat the achievement on other characters _and_ have the game tell you. It also looks like you will lose the ability to know what achievements you earned on which character, and what the progress is on the characters that have not achieved something. This will mean that, while you can just go do the achievement again, if you want to do it on characters that have not done it, you may find it difficult to know when it is done, or how much still needs to be done.

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SerafinaWaterstar

Elsonso wrote: »

robwolf666 wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand... do you mean if I get, say, "Hero of Blackwood" for one character, that will automatically be unlocked for every character I have, not just the one I unlocked it with? If so, I don't like it, I like to earn these things with my new characters, it's part of the replay incentive for me, [snip]

Yes, that is what it looks like. However, you will not be forced to use that title on characters that you do not want to use it on.

While the details won't be known until Monday, what it appears is that for almost all achievements, you will not be able to repeat the achievement on other characters _and_ have the game tell you. It also looks like you will lose the ability to know what achievements you earned on which character, and what the progress is on the characters that have not achieved something. This will mean that, while you can just go do the achievement again, if you want to do it on characters that have not done it, you may find it difficult to know when it is done, or how much still needs to be done.

Which is quite rubbish & a significant change to how the game can be (re)played.

Really don’t think they have thought this through.

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Elsonso

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

robwolf666 wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand... do you mean if I get, say, "Hero of Blackwood" for one character, that will automatically be unlocked for every character I have, not just the one I unlocked it with? If so, I don't like it, I like to earn these things with my new characters, it's part of the replay incentive for me, [snip]

Yes, that is what it looks like. However, you will not be forced to use that title on characters that you do not want to use it on.

While the details won't be known until Monday, what it appears is that for almost all achievements, you will not be able to repeat the achievement on other characters _and_ have the game tell you. It also looks like you will lose the ability to know what achievements you earned on which character, and what the progress is on the characters that have not achieved something. This will mean that, while you can just go do the achievement again, if you want to do it on characters that have not done it, you may find it difficult to know when it is done, or how much still needs to be done.

Which is quite rubbish & a significant change to how the game can be (re)played.

Really don’t think they have thought this through.

I am sure that they have thought this through, and debated it internally, with many meetings. When on the negative side of a change, that is scary. It means there is a near zero chance that they will change their mind. I can recall only one time where they have canceled a change based on feedback from PTS. I am not expecting that this will be one of those times. I expect that this will go live in almost exactly the state it is in when it first drops on PTS. The only change they will make is if there is a bug that they want to fix before launch.

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tmbrinks

Elsonso wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

robwolf666 wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand... do you mean if I get, say, "Hero of Blackwood" for one character, that will automatically be unlocked for every character I have, not just the one I unlocked it with? If so, I don't like it, I like to earn these things with my new characters, it's part of the replay incentive for me, [snip]

Yes, that is what it looks like. However, you will not be forced to use that title on characters that you do not want to use it on.

While the details won't be known until Monday, what it appears is that for almost all achievements, you will not be able to repeat the achievement on other characters _and_ have the game tell you. It also looks like you will lose the ability to know what achievements you earned on which character, and what the progress is on the characters that have not achieved something. This will mean that, while you can just go do the achievement again, if you want to do it on characters that have not done it, you may find it difficult to know when it is done, or how much still needs to be done.

Which is quite rubbish & a significant change to how the game can be (re)played.

Really don’t think they have thought this through.

I am sure that they have thought this through, and debated it internally, with many meetings. When on the negative side of a change, that is scary. It means there is a near zero chance that they will change their mind. I can recall only one time where they have canceled a change based on feedback from PTS. I am not expecting that this will be one of those times. I expect that this will go live in almost exactly the state it is in when it first drops on PTS. The only change they will make is if there is a bug that they want to fix before launch.

And that's why I'm hoping beyond all hope that the wording used on the stream was inaccurate and not what will be really happening.

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SerafinaWaterstar

It’s not about it being ‘scary’ - I don’t have a problem with well thought out /considered changes - it is that it is a fundamental change to the game after seven years & will have significant impact on how many people play.

So not scary - more frustrating & bloody annoying!

kindred

I would like to see rewards for achievements. Particularly mount rewards for the really hard or super time-consuming ones. Very pretty super unique mounts! Now that would get me playing again

mickeyx

This should be the headline for new patch. This is much more interesting change than the card game. So many of us have been asking this for as long as the game exists.

IronWooshu

mickeyx wrote: »

This should be the headline for new patch. This is much more interesting change than the card game. So many of us have been asking this for as long as the game exists.

And so many didn't want this change. What makes you more justified than the others?

@mickeyx

Tanitha

I for one agree with the account wide achievements. In other games this has been a feature since day one. It never stopped anyone re-playing with a different class/race. Plus if I get a new character to L50, and someone asks for an achievement for a trial, I can show them I have that achievement even if done on a different character. At least it shows I know or have an idea of the tactics required.

I was amazed when starting to play the game I had to get all the achievements for each character. It is tiresome and does not add anything of value IMO.

Bootstomp

I just want to know how this affects the zone guide. If I roll a new character is it going to show everything complete if I've done the zone already on a different character?

Hurbster

So when do we find out more details?

Xebov

Hurbster wrote: »

So when do we find out more details?

Monday when it hits PTS.

rexagamemnon

Will this apply to your alliance war rank?

Blue_Radium

I'd like for an account-wide journal, on top of a character-by-character journal to keep track of what content has been run. It'll be hellish trying to know what 4-man dungeon skill points each character is missing and the like - unless they're automatically unlocked for all characters.

And if there's no individual tracking anymore, something like a "collective achievement score" that adds up the point total of all characters and has some kind of one-time reward attached for different levels of achievements earned, prior to our character-by-character accomplishments getting wiped out. Get 100k achievement points across all characters = "Time-Burning Senche" mount reward, or something. Would cause it to feel like all the ridiculous effort was worthwhile, 1000s of hours for many, instead of it feeling like the effort is getting unceremoniously nuked.

And also, while considering achievement improvements, high-level cumulative achievements please. If we unlock literally every achievement in the PvP list, or every single non-DLC achievement, or every possible achievement, etc, something recognizing that would be great.

heaven13

What I would really like to see is:

• Global Achievements: this adds all achievements across all characters, like the PC addon does. If this is all you care about, you never have to change the tab and see what any particular character is missing.
• Character Achievements: pretty much the same as now so quest progress, dungeon/trial achievements, guild progress, etc is tracked per character for those that prefer such gameplay. This keeps things like justice, vampire/werewolf, etc unique to each character.
• Added Account Achievements: new achievements to promote playing multiple characters and/or to adjust the tedium of certain grindy achievements
  • Reach level 50 on each class
  • Defeat an emperor of each alliance (or grand overlord or something)
  • Stop the planemeld with each class
  • Move vet dungeon slayer achievements here
  • Possibly move monster trophies here since they are so, so grindy and have such horrible drop rates

I feel that his would be the best possible compromise to give to those who are tired of their main but feel locked in to that choice while not taking away from those who enjoy the effort and progress of each individual character as a separate entity. It would also promote playing with alts and perhaps encourage people to try a new class.

dRudE

Can someone post the list for what's included and not included please? i cannot find it anywhere but i know i 100% saw it somewhere before

tmbrinks

dRudE wrote: »

Can someone post the list for what's included and not included please? i cannot find it anywhere but i know i 100% saw it somewhere before

Patch notes aren't even out yet. We only have what was said on stream, which included motifs, rune knowledge, etc...

notes will be out Monday.

drsalvation

So this means if I achieve emperor with one character, the achievement and title goes to all characters?

Leftover_Pizza

Glad this is happening. I've seen a similar thing happening in WoW ages ago and felt a relief to not having to do all achievements on an army of alts again.
It never made the game feel less immersive or challenging to me. With the tons of achievements to do, I really don't feel like doing them over and over again to complete the long list on all alts.
Not needing to check which character needs what achievements and switch them around is golden. No matter which one you're playing, it gets achievements completed. Very nice!

Mephit

This is a terrible idea. I am constantly working on achievements on alts... I logged in this morning and logged straight back out knowing there was no point any more. So all my toons are now Master Angler? All the "complete 30 daily tasks", "kill 30 Havocrels" are now done on all my alts? wow, this is a slap in the face of those of us who have been here from the start, investing 100's if not 1000's of hours in alts!

Adernath

In my opinion the best solution would be a carefully selected range of things which could be shared account wide, but only optionally if the player actually chooses to be so.

Many achievements may just look ridiculous on alt toons. Alliance ranks too.

Mariusghost84

Does this effect pvp ranks aswell?

Xebov

IronWooshu wrote: »

mickeyx wrote: »

This should be the headline for new patch. This is much more interesting change than the card game. So many of us have been asking this for as long as the game exists.

And so many didn't want this change. What makes you more justified than the others?

@mickeyx

This change was requested numerous times in the past and heavily discussed. Its realy a matter of taste, nothing more. Instead of realizing that it is a matter of taste and find a compromise how everyone can be happy those who liked it the way it is instead brougth up some made up arguments on how it would be bad for the game and decided to spend their time with this. So the chance of finding a compromise inside the community was not used. Now the situation reverses.

Mephit

Xebov wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

mickeyx wrote: »

This should be the headline for new patch. This is much more interesting change than the card game. So many of us have been asking this for as long as the game exists.

And so many didn't want this change. What makes you more justified than the others?

@mickeyx

This change was requested numerous times in the past and heavily discussed. Its realy a matter of taste, nothing more. Instead of realizing that it is a matter of taste and find a compromise how everyone can be happy those who liked it the way it is instead brougth up some made up arguments on how it would be bad for the game and decided to spend their time with this. So the chance of finding a compromise inside the community was not used. Now the situation reverses.

A matter of taste? maybe if it were at game launch... but not many years later. I would have had some sympathy for it at launch, and even more so if rewards related, but implementing something like this now is rendering the massive amounts of time spent earning achievements on alts since launch totally pointless.

adriant1978

Mephit wrote: »

implementing something like this now is rendering the massive amounts of time spent earning achievements on alts since launch totally pointless.

People made the same "well we did it up hill both ways in the snow" argument when (per-character) Veteren Ranks were changed out for (account-wide) Champion Points.

Mephit

adriant1978 wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

implementing something like this now is rendering the massive amounts of time spent earning achievements on alts since launch totally pointless.

People made the same "well we did it up hill both ways in the snow" argument when (per-character) Veteren Ranks were changed out for (account-wide) Champion Points.

Account Wide Champion Points are stupid too. Just be done with it and have one toon per account, that can swap classes, race, appearances... hell why not just give everyone a completed toon on account creation and stop calling it a MMORPG.

SerafinaWaterstar

adriant1978 wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

implementing something like this now is rendering the massive amounts of time spent earning achievements on alts since launch totally pointless.

People made the same "well we did it up hill both ways in the snow" argument when (per-character) Veteren Ranks were changed out for (account-wide) Champion Points.

But that happened much earlier in the game’s timeline. And was not so wide-reaching. This is over 8 years playing for some, and they have done everything on their main; this diminishes replay value.

(Although must admit can’t recall if this is in fact true - I thought it was once you reached level 50 you started on vet points. Just remember got to level 16 before the swap to CP.)