Account-Wide Achievements IS COMING

Dark_Lord_Kuro

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Devilon wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

I wish this was optional. I like to keep individual track of each characters achievements.

Do you see the irony in that statement? You, the player, earned them achievements. The character(s) are just the tools you used to earn them.

Not irony at all.

I played them ON A CERTAIN CHARACTER.

For example, I’ve done vMoL on my stamblade. Main character & one I probably do best on. My magwarden? Wouldn’t get past first mob.

This needs to be optional. Or a global tab.

The more I think about it, the more I dislike the idea - or at least need a detailed description of how it is going to work & what affected.

Quest achievements?
Pvp ranks & titles?
Fighters Guild?
Mages guild?
Psijic?
Dark Brotherhood?
Thieves Guild?
Antiquities?
Crafting?
Holiday achievements?

So basically having played this for over 6 years with my main getting all my achievements, there is zero point in playing on any of my alts as they will all be completed?!

Great. Really well thought out. 🤬😡

@ZOS_Kevin

The achievement will be, the quest remain to be done

Anfieldkris

The list of exclusions from being account wide achievements on the stream yesterday was incredibly short, and I’d be amazed if that was it. Otherwise that would mean that certain things that are currently purchasable through the store will be unnecessary, wouldn’t it? Also why would enchanting be excluded from being account wide, but alchemy was not mentioned.

I can definitely see some achievement stuff that would be useful account wide. It is really annoying getting a monster trophy which my main cannot get after 5 years+ when I am farming on an alt. However, some people do enjoy repeating some achievements from years ago on new characters, and it will be a shame if that becomes pretty pointless, and they have no choice about it.

Removing repetition of tedious grind, ‘wrong character’ drops or rng frustrations seems good, eliminating replayability, not so much.

RisenEclipse

Honestly, I'm happy with the change. I'm looking forward to seeing how it will work out. I understand that there are people who hate the idea, and that's totally fine. It's hard to make anything that everyone will be completely on board on. But a lot of posts I'm seeing is a lot of doom saying and theorizing how this will apparently destroy the game. Stating your concerns with potential issues is one thing, but saying how the game is ruined and eso is now dead is another, and kinda over dramatic. The same reaction happened when they announced one Tamriel, and pretty much any change that happened in the game. And the game is still here.

I think it is better to wait and see what will happen and then complain about the actual results that occurred from the new system. Not prophesying about what you think will be the horrible things that will happen. Or declaring the whole game is now destroyed and unplayable. By all means state your concerns so they know what you're worried about, and can look into potential issues that may happen before it is fully released. But there is no need to be dramatic yet, when we have yet to even see it in action and see the actual effects of the system on the game, and those consequences on the game itself.

SerafinaWaterstar

@RisenEclipse

Would prefer to raise concerns *beforehand* rather than after the fact. Far easier to address than once is in game.

RisenEclipse

@SerafinaWaterstar

I don't think you read my post lol go back and read it. I never stated anything about not raising your concerns. In fact I said the exact opposite and encouraged it. The post was about doom saying and being over dramatic. Please read again before commenting on it again.

SerafinaWaterstar

RisenEclipse wrote: »

@SerafinaWaterstar

I don't think you read my post lol go back and read it. I never stated anything about not raising your concerns. In fact I said the exact opposite and encouraged it. The post was about doom saying and being over dramatic. Please read again before commenting on it again.

I think it is better to wait and see what will happen and then complain about the actual results that occurred from the new system.

That was the bit to which I was responding. I would prefer to see the plans and sort out concerns before than wait until implemented.

RisenEclipse

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

@SerafinaWaterstar

I don't think you read my post lol go back and read it. I never stated anything about not raising your concerns. In fact I said the exact opposite and encouraged it. The post was about doom saying and being over dramatic. Please read again before commenting on it again.

I think it is better to wait and see what will happen and then complain about the actual results that occurred from the new system.

That was the bit to which I was responding. I would prefer to see the plans and sort out concerns before than wait until implemented.

By complaining again I meant doom saying and prophesying. Which I made the distinction about in the next sentence saying:

By all means state your concerns so they know what you're worried about, and can look into potential issues that may happen before it is fully released.

So again, please read my post fully before commenting again.

Cously

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We're glad that we can bring account wide achievements to everyone! We'll have more details as we get closer.

I will return because of that. Thank you!

Araneae6537

peacenote wrote: »

Paulytnz wrote: »

I have had a feeling for a while that this was coming. Basically because of the recent changes to some of the Achievement Points. They updated the amount of some to be consistent with other Achievements earned in a similar way.

Now the question hit me tho, why would it be so important to have them be so consistent if the points don't really do anything for us? I mean we don't earn rewards off them, we don't get titles, we get no way at all to even show them to other players unless....

That's the future and point of it. I really hope so! Give us rewards for those Achievement Points. GW2 does this. You earn Titles/Gold/Cosmetics and even their game currency. That is where this is all heading I am sure. So as such, if this is the case (and I am telling you it is), they HAD to make the achievements or the points be account wide so that alt chars can't take too much advantage of the system.

If they didn't there would be tons of complaints on the forums, example:

"I play certain characters for certain activities, for example I fish only on a fishing char, so why can't I get rewarded for that if I can't add those points to an overall total to get rewarded?"

"I don't want to have to do ALL achievements on my main account to get the rewards, why do this!?"

You get the idea! It's coming and I am happy!

If anyone else has hinted at this before my post, I am sorry, I couldn't contain what was in my head before reading everything else first. At least great minds think a like tho right!

Actually I suspect you're correct. And I think it was all announced this year because those points are going to be a key way you earn special cards in the card trading game.

Personally, it would be fine with me if I only received "points" once but it still triggered a pop up and logged a date when alts did things. We already have this now: you can only unlock a collectible or dye once. This just makes sense! Account-wide rewards, character-specific achievement logs.

Rewards for achievement points as in GW2 could be cool. If ESO did similar, I would hope it would likewise offer general accounts boosts, currency and choices of rewards and not only stuff tied to one aspect of the game. I wouldn’t expect there to be rewards though since I don’t think anything was said to suggest this would be the case.

I do hope you are right about how it is implemented — account-wide rewards and character-specific achievement logs (plus XP as it exists now).

Greg11jkalfa

There's so much dramatic backlash about this change, but what does it really serve to do? Reduce the amount of times you have to do each achievement to once. That's truly all it does. Take Godslayer of Sunspire for example. You still need to obtain it legitimately, but now you only need to do it on one character. If anything, this is even better, because on any given character, even a level 3, you can now show everyone the work you've put in.

Araneae6537

Tannus15 wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

I wish this was optional. I like to keep individual track of each characters achievements.

this will still exist in some way for sure. there is too much xp and undaunted rep etc tied to achievements, so you'll still need to be able to earn them on each character

I do hope you’re right! This could be a change that I would be happy with, but announced without details, I worry about all these things and others!

SerafinaWaterstar

I shall wait and see what the patch notes actually say but going from what Gina said, this is a serious QoL thing that might be the thing that makes me stop playing. If that’s be being over-dramatic or whatever, then so be it. Been playing for over 6 years so feel bit upset.

I play my alts as separate entities and want to be able to work towards getting the achievements on them. To me, that is one if the enjoyable parts of the game.

I don’t want to have Monster Hunter filled in on a character that hasn’t actually done it, for example.

Not even going to consider the idiocy of dungeon achievements being shared.

At the very least they could do is make it optional.

Elsonso

Epona222 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We're glad that we can bring account wide achievements to everyone! We'll have more details as we get closer.

We don't all want it - I want to know more details now before I spend money on pre-ordering a new chapter when I may not want to play the game any more.

This is very bad news for altoholics - game-ruining news.

Meh. I pre-ordered anyway, but I did think hard about it. This year is a mix of mediocre positive and game changing negative stuff, that is for sure. I can see why the announcement was low-key on the ESO Live stream.

Castagere wrote: »

I remember when MMO's didn't have them. It's something dragged over from consoles.

Consoles are definitely the home of game-specific account-wide achievements, but I think it is the other gaming genres that really enforce this. Only RPG games really have the need to track character achievements, that being the whole point of an RPG game, but it is just easier to do achievements and trophies at the account level because that is what they do for all of the other games. In the end, it just changes the definition of RPG game into more of an Adventure Game, which is probably the more popular genre of the two, especially on consoles.

Agnusthemagi wrote: »

I can only dream the day motifs are account wide.

Same here. When they introduced the Outfit station and made the styles account-wide, I stopped crafting gear in specific styles completely. Now I create the gear in any style that is handy, and use an outfit to hide the truth. Many of my characters are an ugly mashup of different styles in default coloring under the outfit. If they made motifs account wide, it would simply make handling them easier. I could consume them on any character, like the style pages.

Paulytnz wrote: »

I have had a feeling for a while that this was coming. Basically because of the recent changes to some of the Achievement Points. They updated the amount of some to be consistent with other Achievements earned in a similar way.

Looking back, it was also apparent in how Rich reacted on his stream to questions about this. It had the "we are going to do this" vibe, but was unsure if it was real.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Xuhora wrote: »

Devilon wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

I wish this was optional. I like to keep individual track of each characters achievements.

Do you see the irony in that statement? You, the player, earned them achievements. The character(s) are just the tools you used to earn them.

to some extent i have to say: You the player earned them achievements with the tool you had in your hand in this case, the character.
Doing vKA trifecta on a DD is vastly different than doing it on a tank.

But then what is stopping you from respecing that dd into a tank and still have the title

Its the exact same thing

Nic727

Omg! It just took years to come, but it’s finally there!

SerafinaWaterstar

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

Devilon wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

I wish this was optional. I like to keep individual track of each characters achievements.

Do you see the irony in that statement? You, the player, earned them achievements. The character(s) are just the tools you used to earn them.

to some extent i have to say: You the player earned them achievements with the tool you had in your hand in this case, the character.
Doing vKA trifecta on a DD is vastly different than doing it on a tank.

But then what is stopping you from respecing that dd into a tank and still have the title

Its the exact same thing

Doing a trifecta on my main stamblade does in no way show that I am at all competent or capable of doing the same on my magwarden!

Mavericks1

Now it feels kinda wasted that i did IR and GH on 7 different characters...

Annyelle

peacenote wrote: »

xAKlMB0xSLlCEx wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

This change takes away from players to be able to re-play content on other classes or roles and get that feeling of accomplishment.

This change takes away from the roleplaying community who may not want certain titles/achievements on specific characters.

This change changes nothing for everybody else, because you could just figure out what you had done on your whole account (or if on PC, use an add-on to do it for you)

So, a sizable portion of the player base loses significantly in their game satisfaction.

Just add a global tab. See total account progress. Keep all characters separate. Don't overthink it.

(Most arguing for global achievements wanted it for research/motifs/etc... anyways, which isn't happening as they're tied to writ rewards)

@ZOS_Kevin please give this feedback to the appropriate teams.

I can't agree more. There is absolutely nothing (other than people wanting research, motifs, skyshards, etc. which isn't happened anyways) that needs to be account wide. It ruins a significant portion of the game for people who have most things completed already.

A global tab is a perfect middle ground to keep everyone satisfied

I have been playing ESO since release. This may be the single most upsetting ESO-related announcement that I have heard, ever. And I am trying to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt, that it will be done well and artfully but I'm so disappointed I have had to wait before replying as it probably would have broken many forum rules. I have never done this before but... @ZOS_Kevin, please please take this feedback to the devs.

First, new systems should never take away things some people truly enjoy unless there is no other choice and the game was on the verge of dying due to its negative impact (which it's not, hence the reference to the landmark number of subscribers!). There is almost always a way to incorporate new things without ruining existing things. It's not like this is a new MMO, and this isn't some of those other MMOs with global only achievements. Sometimes you have to realize what makes ESO successful and be careful not to remove it. And when people ask for something - like account wide achievements - you need to truly understand what's driving those requests and not wreck what many others thought was fantastic for years and years in the process. Plus, if ESO keeps growing as you say, obviously this isn't something that's keeping people away.

It is fun, and satisfying, and drastically adds to the replayability of content, as tmbrinks stated, to have achievements pop up when you are playing an alt. Look! We got speed run that time! Look! I killed this many wraiths! To this day when I'm on voice chat with my friends we call out when we get achievements, even the silly ones. It's fun. Please, please, please don't take this experience away.

Second, I love knowing WHEN my characters have done something. I like working towards things on my alts. I absolutely do not want my alts to have achievements show as "met" when I log into them after this is implemented, showing the date the first character achieved it, showing "today's" date, or removing the dates altogether. Any of those options would be extremely disappointing. Having a bunch of achievements pop up on my alts in login that for content I didn't take them through yet? So, so, so lame. ESO is so much more about lore and RPG and the story and the world than other MMOs; this is important to many of us.

Why can't we track both account and individual character achievements?!? Is the character specific progress really hurting anyone? Isn't ESO "play the way you want," or whatever? Having less information about our characters makes the game worse, not better.

I am probably partially so upset because, since it has been so long, I was sure this would never come. I was certain ZOS would never just take away an aspect of the game that tracks individual character achievements because they'd understand that they have players - especially longtime, loyal ones, who enjoy this aspect of the game.

Third, this is SUCH a contradiction in strategy and "game world rules", which always bothers me. The whole companion system requires each character unlock the companion and have a separate reputation score. If you're going for account-wide achievements, REMOVE THIS. Either we say it's one player behind all the characters, or we don't. But it is completely inconsistent to tell folks that they can RP relationships per character with the companion but they no longer can track most other progress separately or have documentation in game of when a character did something. In fact, the companion reputation system is what made me so certain we'd never lose character specific achievements. It seemed like a strong nod to the fact that people wanted character-specific experiences for RP.

Now I understand that there are some people who want global achievements and would not be satisfied with a global tracker as an addition. These people are:

The "Purist" Completionists And, there are two flavors.

1. There are people who feel like they HAVE to get every achievement on every character, to the point that it seems to impact their enjoyment of trying alts and playing the game. The idea of making a new character and having to start over is crippling when they think of everything they "have" to do.
   
   I suspect those folks, KNOWING that there are still individual achievements, will still feel frustrated and overwhelmed. A global toggle, so they could choose to never see them, and suppressing those pop ups when it is active, could help. But it seems to me that it is asking a LOT more of people who will miss character specific achievements to completely remove them, so the option isn't there, than it is asking some folks to take a deep breath, look at the global tracker, and be satisfied. It's like expecting PvP to be ripped out of the game because you don't like to do it and you don't want to have to look at the un-done achievements.
2. There are people who really are adamant that titles should not carry over to characters who haven't earned them. Some think it cheapens the titles, and some are really upset about it for role play purposes.
   
   I do think this is another extreme view, at this point, when most other awards are account-wide. Titles don't mean someone is "good." We kind of need to accept that someone sporting a collectible or dye may not have unlocked it on that specific toon. I think a good compromise here is to let the titles be account-wide, but put a star in the character selection list if the character hasn't earned the title. Yes, "other people" might be wearing titles on roles when they haven't earned them...and folks are just going to have to let that one go... but at least it would be easier for RP'ers to avoid titles that don't work with their characters or aren't yet earned. This would give folks who want to "switch mains" SOMETHING while still throwing a bone to players care about character specific titling. AND since character-specific achievements would still exist, you can always "prove" to someone whether you earned a title (if both parties involved really care) by taking a screenshot of when your character earned it. You could do something where earned and un-earned titles display in a slightly different color, too.

When there are multiple view points, adding, enhancing, and giving options is always better than blatantly taking something away from some people to satisfy others. It divides the player base. Perhaps what you're really doing is adding a global tracker but achievements still will pop up and register per character but.... it sure doesn't sound like it right now.

Also, I truly apologize to the devs who are probably excited to bring this to all the people who have vocally asked for it. I don't mean to sound unappreciative. In this case I feel perhaps you didn't have all of the information. I certainly never got surveyed, as an active subscriber, on whether I'd enjoy this feature. Please consider making the tweaks I describe (or something else that solves the same issues) as it's such a shame that something you put so much work into is so very devastating for some of us, and it wouldn't have to be. And if you ARE planning to keep the individual tracking, I am sorry for my lack of faith.

Bravo peacenote, Well done, perfectly said, I agree completely, Thank You for putting all that into writing and let's hope sincerely that the devs are paying attention! This achievements fiasco will change the way people play FOREVER. And I absolutely love this game and all my alts. I do not want to change the way I play and , if I have to, hand write in a notebook, who has done what and when. Because achievements tracking is THAT important to gameplay and progress. Please, PLEASE hear us!

Galwylin

To me this should have always been the case if your characters are basically just alternatives of your account name. Especially since you can turn off characters names in chat. The game has always treated individual characters as really just alternate names of the main character, your account.

But what I especially want is motifs to be account wide since I feel I have to ensure all are learned on my crafting character (which is my main) because I can't change mains without banking all motifs for my crafter instead of just learning it on the character I'm playing now. That's the change I'd really like to see. Perhaps this includes that, but it doesn't sound like it does so I'm hoping we can make motifs account wide. Something I'd really like over account wide achievements because I think I would really like to change mains without it feeling like I'm just setting myself up for work in my game.

But I do like account wide achievements. Alt characters just don't have anything to make them special other than hey, I changed characters. Though it would have been cooler that all characters can be any class (ala FFXIV) so alts wouldn't even been needed. Good change either way.

SerafinaWaterstar

. Alt characters just don't have anything to make them special other than hey, I changed characters.

Yours may not. Mine do.

Araneae6537

Galwylin wrote: »

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But I do like account wide achievements. Alt characters just don't have anything to make them special other than hey, I changed characters. Though it would have been cooler that all characters can be any class (ala FFXIV) so alts wouldn't even been needed. Good change either way.

That is not at all why many of us play alts. I like to play different CHARACTERS. They are not just a collection of stats for me.

Elsonso

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Galwylin wrote: »

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But I do like account wide achievements. Alt characters just don't have anything to make them special other than hey, I changed characters. Though it would have been cooler that all characters can be any class (ala FFXIV) so alts wouldn't even been needed. Good change either way.

That is not at all why my of us play alts. I like to play different CHARACTERS. They are not just a collection of stats for me.

Same here.

O_LYKOS

This is great. So I can play different characters in different dlc and still get all my achievements together instead of being separate sometimes playing on character for every piece of content gets boring.

IronWooshu

Dungeon achievements counted towards Undaunted XP skill line. It's gonna be an even bigger slog now to get the skill line fully unlocked when the achievements are already accounted for.

[snip]
[edited for conspiracy theory]

jle30303

Achievements that count towards increasing one's level in a skill line:

(1) EITHER should be character-specific, not account wide
(2) Or should grant the same level of skill-line progress across all characters (e.g. dungeon achievements and the Undaunted skill line). Like, you don't always have that skill line, but when you gain it, it's unlocked with enough progress for the skill line to be already at, say, 5 or 6 from all the account-wide achievements gained, rather than starting it straight from 1.

In this case I favour (1), particularly for the sake of the Undaunted line.

That being said, there are some achievements that really should be account-wide. A number of Holiday achievements that give a certain memento, or pet, or other collectible, are actually not doable at all on more than one character because the game literally does not any longer allow you to get the relevant items. Also, it would be really nice if "Murkmire Prepper" counted up the collective 150 Murkmire prep quests across all characters instead of having to be separately got on each character.

And it would be even nicer still, for Eidetic Memory to be account-wide (NOT including Shalidor's Library books, which should remain character-specific), so that one doesn't need to worry so much about missing and locking oneself out of reading a particular document with one character, since one could "score" it on a new character instead.

SirAxen

Tandor wrote: »

SirAxen wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I like doing achievements on different alts, so not a fan of this change.

This, I hate this change.

Wrecks the point of having alts that concentrate on different things.

That's hyperbole and a stretch, honestly.

No, it's very accurate for those of us who roll multiple characters in order to play the game fully with them as distinct individuals, as opposed to just rolling alts to rush them to endgame.

You can still do that.

spartaxoxo

SirAxen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

SirAxen wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I like doing achievements on different alts, so not a fan of this change.

This, I hate this change.

Wrecks the point of having alts that concentrate on different things.

That's hyperbole and a stretch, honestly.

No, it's very accurate for those of us who roll multiple characters in order to play the game fully with them as distinct individuals, as opposed to just rolling alts to rush them to endgame.

You can still do that.

Characterization and immersion are something that quite subjective. That you can still do that, doesn't invalidate that someone else would have a hard time being immersed if their character already has achievements for content they didn't do on that character.

Some people's immersion will be hurt by this change, and some people's immersion will actually be increased by this change. For example, if you make a character who's backstory you've crafted is an expert thief. It would be more immersive to already have that title equipped from jump, and then spend your time stealing all the things.

It just depends on the player. It's a perfectly valid, though subjective point.

Personally I fall into the camp of people who's immersion and willingness to play alts will be increased with account wide achievements and I am excited for their debut.

Elsonso

SirAxen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

SirAxen wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I like doing achievements on different alts, so not a fan of this change.

This, I hate this change.

Wrecks the point of having alts that concentrate on different things.

That's hyperbole and a stretch, honestly.

No, it's very accurate for those of us who roll multiple characters in order to play the game fully with them as distinct individuals, as opposed to just rolling alts to rush them to endgame.

You can still do that.

Yes. For a while, at least. But, I think many will feel that something has definitely been taken away with this change.

SerafinaWaterstar

SirAxen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

SirAxen wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I like doing achievements on different alts, so not a fan of this change.

This, I hate this change.

Wrecks the point of having alts that concentrate on different things.

That's hyperbole and a stretch, honestly.

No, it's very accurate for those of us who roll multiple characters in order to play the game fully with them as distinct individuals, as opposed to just rolling alts to rush them to endgame.

You can still do that.

So just how will we get the achievements that we like getting and is part of the way we play the game if another character has already got them?

robwolf666

I'm not sure I understand... do you mean if I get, say, "Hero of Blackwood" for one character, that will automatically be unlocked for every character I have, not just the one I unlocked it with? If so, I don't like it, I like to earn these things with my new characters, it's part of the replay incentive for me, [snip]

[edited for baiting]