ZOS really needs to pick up the slack. People are ultra excited & wanting to switch to New World.

Alucardo

zaria wrote: »

One of his main complain is lag and he is only doing overland stuff, yes its in an new game so lots of people in the starting zones but imagine that huge fights or raids will be like.

I was watching twitch streams, and during a war (large scale pvp) one of them had around 40-46ms ping. It was extremely responsive.
Maybe the person in the video wasn't connecting to his recommended local server, he was having internet problems, or maybe it was just congested from all the beta users trying out the game.
After washing up on shore where all the new players go, my ping was 25ms, and that was on hades.. probably one of the most populated EU central servers.

Maxx7410

I use a server with high ping (+200) to have more people in the world and never have any problem with glichs or bugs of any kind.
But the character movements need some work, jumping is a joke, running is veeery slow, for now at least there aren't mounts!
So I like better the movement in ESO and like that we can cancel animations in ESO to

hakan

hakan wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

Amazing the callous attitude that PvEers have toward people who joined this game for PvP, especially from the beginning, but now can’t play because of ZOS’ inability to improve performance. I love PvP however I don’t take anything anything away from people who hate it.

Yeah, ive never understood this and you see it all the time

ADarklore wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I think it will draw ESO pvp players away. That will hurt ESO, but pvp is not the central focus of ESO and it hasn’t been since early in the game. The pvp in New World seems to be very good and the servers can handle large scale battles. Performance is the main thing holding back ESO pvp. This doesn’t seem to be fixable. So inevitably pvp focused players are going to move on when better options become available.

I don't believe it will hurt ESO as bad as people make it seem. In fact, ZOS could then shift any resources away from PVP and focus them on adding even more PVE content and QoL improvements. I am seriously doubting that a huge number of PVP players are ESO+ subscribers or spend money in the Crown Store... so while the player 'count' may decline, the $$ spent by remaining players would likely remain the same or improve.

im pretty sure pvp players spend way more than overland players considering all the motifs and mounts they have. not to mention a lot of dlc and some trial gear got used in pvp too so they would buy or sub to it.

Also when this game was thriving, they didnt really improved or spend more resources to make it better so why do you think they would do it after pvp players leave?

It's thriving NOW, what are you talking about? They are adding new servers, improved graphics for new consoles, etc. They are doing this all the while PVP players are a minority in the game. Furthermore, as I said, I seriously doubt a "huge number" of PVP players are spending a lot of money in the game. If a player is PVP-centric, they don't care about motifs, or mounts, or XP scrolls, costumes, etc... the only thing they do is log in and PVP. No questing, no crafting, etc. Sure there are those who do both PVE and PVP... but I'm speaking of those who ONLY PVP.

However, for PVE-focused players, many of us enjoy the RPG aspect of this game and to us, motifs, costumes, mounts, crafting, etc... ARE important to us.

pfft. pvp is ego based content so ofcourse your looks and mounts are important. i didnt mean to say they are the majority od spenders but mostly are. and most of them do pve content too.

otoh a lot of casuals i saw arent really interested on them, cant be bothered to farm them or pay for them. Maybe its an EU thing since for a decent amount of playerbase, those are very expensive.

im talking about the BIG MAJORITY of the players where they barely do hard content or even some normal dlc dungeons. Imo thats the majority.

alberichtano

NylAR wrote: »

New world seems to be a whole lot more polished so far than ESO and it's in beta. That's extremely alarming, since it makes ESO feel like it's stuck in Alpha right now and there's like 8 years of difference between the two titles. Devs are actively communicating with their playerbase in New World, updates are logical and sensical and breathe more life into the game with each release. I can't say the same about ESO in all its aspects. You, ZOS, need to start communicating and working on ESO more and listen to player feedback! Cause it's going to geta whole lot worse if you don't. Updates need to improve the game, not set it back.

Just look at player count dropping, everyone talks about it in guild chats + I'm noticing a new trend between ESO youtubers and streamers where they're all dropping ESO content for more New World beta content. Especially PvP.

Please don't let us down, ZOS. This game has the potential to be the best MMO out there if both you and us start to openly communicate and the time to do so is NOW! cause Amazon is breathing down your neck.

[snip] do I have to remind you of No Man's Sky?

Not saying this new game cannot be great and rad, but i wouldn't buy into the hype. Hype is like a crush on a girl you've only seen from a distance, or heard about from friends. You can crush hard on such a girl (or boy, sorry, I am male and straight hence my somewhat stale example), but the person can, once you get to know her (or him) prove to be a real idiot and a rotten egg with lousy values. Same with games. They can look soooo nice at beta, and people can praise them to the moon and back, but once it hits gold... well, it might just not be all that was promised.

[edited for profanity bypass]

JJOtterBear

At this point the only thing that could steal me from ESO is Dual Universe or an mmorpg that was perfect (will never happen). But as my current PC can't run that, I'm firmly here with ESO.

hakan

Moonsorrow wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I think it will draw ESO pvp players away. That will hurt ESO, but pvp is not the central focus of ESO and it hasn’t been since early in the game. The pvp in New World seems to be very good and the servers can handle large scale battles. Performance is the main thing holding back ESO pvp. This doesn’t seem to be fixable. So inevitably pvp focused players are going to move on when better options become available.

I am seriously doubting that a huge number of PVP players are ESO+ subscribers or spend money in the Crown Store... so while the player 'count' may decline, the $$ spent by remaining players would likely remain the same or improve.

What?? I mean i count myself as a PVP player since that is what i do "most of the time" while i play, i do all type of content from overland, dungeons to trials since having all sorts of gear available for pvp is a plus and like most - i like variety in the things i do. So does most PVP players, alltho one must not admit it, obviously.

A big part of pvp is also to look flashy and cool while you bonk your enemies down. So we do spend a LOT on Crown Store. Either with direct money or by the gifting so someone else does and they get the Gold in return, ZOS gets its money for it.

Like 90% of "pvp players" i know have ESO+ on and they spend a lot on Crates because as said, fashion is the endgame at pvp also. I am from small to medium spender myself and i did check my Payment History logs and here is how much i've spent: 2880 euro on direct Crown purchases (Weapon style packs, costumes, Race change Tokens and so on) and 792 euro on ESO+ over the years so: 3672 Euro from me, a single PVP player. Sounds a lot when looks at it right now as one big number..

I know there are huge whales who spend a lot more than this. I know many who are primarily PVP players who like to get those Radiant Apex mounts.. and yet, some say PVP players not make them money? Okay.

If there was no PVP on ESO, i would not had given this game all that money, would not even started to play it. I know the pvp community is the same as the endgame PVE Vet trial community, we both are smaller than the "casual mass in the between" that enjoys mainly overland questing and rp and stuff, but we both are important "groups" to have on a game so that it looks healthy & active to new players who might enjoy one (or all) of these aspects so they do start playing this game and bring their money to ZOS, the money that can be made even while people grind to be able to do their favorite type of content.

A good game Dev understands the need of things looking healthy and well to the outside eye for game to look it has "a lot of things going on for different play styles" so as many as can will try and play it = they make money. It goes to that in all simplicity. Always oldies quitting and taking breaks, so need fresh new players constantly and variety of playstyles/game modes sells better than a very limited one.

yeah this is what ive wanted to say

jle30303

I've not even heard of this New World.

New World doesn't have ESO lore, or established universe.

If I stop playing ESO, it won't be in favour of any other specific game, it'll be because *this* one doesn't interest me any more. It's not in competition with another game directly, except inasmuch as both are also in competition with things that aren't games, for my time.

Kiralyn2000

Roztlin45 wrote: »

People are still playing Fallout 76. Worst AAA MMO game in the history of games when it launched. A true dumpster fire.

Is FO76 really an MMO, though? (or has the definition "MMO" been stretched really wide, like people keep trying to do with "p2w" and other terms? Do CoD or Overwatch count at this point? GTA Online? Diablo 3 or Path Of Exile?)

I remember articles about it when it launched, and had so many issues. I only personally started playing last November, as another attempt to find something online to do with an IRL friend during covid. I enjoyed the game, it's not bad at all. (PS4)
Is it perfect? Nah, pretty much any modern "live service"/seasons&events/online game has it's flaws. ESO and NW included.

FO76 isn't remotely as bad as it's memes make it out to be. /shrug

Idinuse wrote: »

Whether it's a completely different type of game isn't really the point here. The point is that our friends, guildies, fellow ESO players are leaving for it

I guess part of the difference is I don't have any of those. The guy who got me into it (same IRL one I mentioned above about FO76), was on a different platform, and stopped playing soon after anyway. So while he showed me the game and got me interested in it, we never actually played together. So I'm playing ESO for myself, not for a group of others, or for any desired ideals of pvp/grouping/'amazing combat'/whatever. I've got no reason to be attracted away from it by the greener grass on the other side of a fence, or the fact that some extroverts & performers on Youtube or Twitch are-or-aren't broadcasting about it, or any of those things. I'm just here to putter around in a TES-adjacent game.

Rukia541

New world is unpolished garbage that still needs 5+ years of development to be a complete game by current mmo standards, kinda like gw2 was in the same situation at launch.

It will have an extremely niche following, because better versions of it already exist.

ESO is leagues ahead of it, I played the beta and it was so limited and lacking in features I mean it doesn't even have daggers or dual wield not had voice acting on the quests I was doing which were copypasta WoW style grinders.

If you think it's the next best thing then go for it. I'd put it at bottom tier while gw2 ff14 and ashes are more level competition .

jssriot

There are always new games coming out and there are always some players who go off and play those games. It's fine. This is how life is. Nothing lasts forever. Sorry if your PVP guild all off playing the NW beta. But in the larger picture it's all fine. I started PVP in 2016 and there's always some PVP'rs saying things like "When X comes out, I'm gone" and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. If they are so unhappy with ESO that they would rather start from scratch with a brand new MMO, knowing the abysmal failure rate of new MMOs, then good luck to them. I doubt anything ZOS can do will make them happy. What is more likely the case is they get fed up with the new MMO's bugs, toxic community, hackers exploiting all the things the devs overlooked or haven't gotten it yet, lack of features, etc and come back to ESO. I mean it's bad enough you have to deal with all that in ESO, but at least it's the cesspool you know and, admit it, love, and can reasonably rely on not suddenly shutting done when some exec pulls the plug. It's the circle of MMO life, and I for one think it's beautiful. LOL.

Kalik_Gold

Has my interest as a secondary mmo, but not a replacement.

SilverBride

A game whose main focus is PvP and forced grouping isn't a threat to a game with a casual playerbase. Sure a few players may leave, but they were probably on the verge of leaving anyway, mostly due to burnout. But I have yet to hear a single person in game talk about NW.

Jierdanit

ADarklore wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

The biggest problem for ESO is that the world content is too easy making quest not interesting (and with awful rewards) particularly if you are a long time player.

Also, the gathering and crafting in New World is more interesting, at least at the start.

Usually ANYTHING is more interesting at the start... someone coming to ESO would probably also find it to be interesting at the start... it's because you're learning a new system and that's always interesting. However, when you play a game over YEARS, it usually becomes mundane and boring... especially if new things aren't added for you to learn. Even game difficulty is harder when you're new, you don't have a leveled crafter, you don't have the best sets, you don't have CP... but over time, as your character grows, everything becomes easier. That's the reality of an MMO.

Furthermore, 'quests' shouldn't be difficult... a very large segment of the players don't want to play a game for 'difficulty' they want to play to relax and enjoy the quests. Difficulty in ESO is reserved for VET content, where players can CHOOSE to engage in or not. Rewards? Most of us play because we enjoy the game, it isn't the rewards that propel us further, it's simply the enjoyment of playing our character.

Quests dont have to get to a point where they are really hard, but it certainly wouldnt hurt if you actually had to know which way to turn your keyboard to do quests.

Also i love how you say:

a very large segment of the players

and

Most of us

Like you would know if that is what most players actually think or want.
Please just speak for yourself instead of trying to make it sound like you would speak for a big amount of players, while you cant possibly know if that actually fits for a big segment of the playerbase.

Alucardo

SilverBride wrote: »

But I have yet to hear a single person in game talk about NW.

Probably because the one's who think the game is worth talking about is actually playing it and not ESO?

SilverBride

Alucardo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

But I have yet to hear a single person in game talk about NW.

Probably because the one's who think the game is worth talking about is actually playing it and not ESO?

There have been posts stating that players have been talking about it in game and in guild chat, but that has not been my experience. If these players thought NW was so great they'd probably log on here to tell their friends about it to get them to try it. I think no one is talking about it because no one has even heard of it, or maybe they just don't care. I don't see NW as a real threat to ESO.

Alucardo

SilverBride wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

But I have yet to hear a single person in game talk about NW.

Probably because the one's who think the game is worth talking about is actually playing it and not ESO?

There have been posts stating that players have been talking about it in game and in guild chat, but that has not been my experience. If these players thought NW was so great they'd probably log on here to tell their friends about it to get them to try it. I think no one is talking about it because no one has even heard of it, or maybe they just don't care. I don't see NW as a real threat to ESO.

In any case, the entire discussion is futile. Both games appeal to different crowds. ESO for its casual player base and New World for pvpers. So unless you talk to a lot of hardcore pvpers, you're probably not going to hear much about NW.
The whole debate is just pointless.

Alchimiste1

Long time eso player here and tbh the OP makes some points. ZOS doesn’t do a good job of communicating with the player base, they have always done what they think is right and gone in that direction. I’ve seen them change their minds once , back when they wanted to put a cast time on shields, because of the overwhelming negative feedback.


This is my opinion but I know others share my sentiment, it feels like ZOS cares little for the end game community. They have ,over the years ,implemented mechanics that honestly hindered forms of high level play.

This game has not felt the same since they they took away animation canceling. Why the heck do we still have cast time on ults? No one asked for it. Bash weaving was a nice aspect of the game. Destructible bridges ? Utterly useless , give us the old bridges with good terrain to maneuver around.

The fact that a “bomber” with proxy det can one shot many players when there is no one else around is not healthy gameplay , and it doesnt make the game fun either.

The only reason I even log on now is because I still have friends to chill with. In terms of direction of the game , I hate it.


As a side note nw has been fun so far.

FENGRUSH

New World releases Aug 31 and it won't be completely polished when it comes out. It has a variety of smaller issues and bugs it will need to tackle between now and then. What is encouraging from my point of view is what they did achieve since the alpha preview.

All in all, you're going to find different people able to find things to complain about it. You're not likely to ever get a polished MMO release again in your lifetime. They're a work in progress, they are massive projects. People remark about how poorly ESOs launch was. It did have really bad problems, I still really enjoyed ESO release though.

Besides those points, I wouldn't worry about New World threatening ESO. It was never really a target market threat for ESO to begin with. Of some of the top MMOs in the market, ESO conquers a market against New world, WoW, and FF14. ESO is an MMO, but it's not as much an MMORPG in the classic sense. ESO is very casual friendly, which many of the others did too. This is not a bad thing to do for MMOs these days, and especially later in their life cycle. They have lots of content, they want to bring people in familiar with the ES lore and explore the world.

ESO has great stories, lore, quests with voice acting, deep housing system and endless cosmetics you can put into these. ESO shifted funding to these things. As far as PvP, PvE, combat systems, server performance... it doesn't have as much funding there. It's really just not possible for them to budget it all when the game is this many years in. It's not worth the investment. So you have to settle for ESO being more of a themepark MMO experience. And thats the way I usually describe it, a themepark MMO. The combat is fantastic when it works, but that's becoming more and more difficult to achieve frequently. "Endgame content" in ESO has drifted away of interest as well for content developers. ESO is a game where you can do most things 'wrong' and still complete a large majority of the content. This has been a large effort to remove 'wrong' being a possibility from the equation. But this is part of how its not a classic MMORPG. The environment feels akin to something I would find in SIMS. I don't mean any of that personally either, its just a reality I can see as a content creator for the game for years. The environment has changed, and some content creators may move, but most wont put much time. And neither will the player base.

So a lot of ESO players wouldn't really like New World. Its world is actually beautiful. The visual/audio is top notch and I think people here would appreciate that part. But overall the game doesn't flow the same, and won't have the same content breadth at launch. It will be a work in progress too. Some PvPers will be interested in New World, but there's a lot of PvPers in ESO that just want to lag endlessly in Gray Host with 60 friends and dont really care about braving new waters either.

ESO has a really good niche it has achieved. Thats a pretty good thing. New World may be a good little vacation for some folks too. But its a solid game for where it's at. No need to really attack either of the games, they are pretty different.

relentless_turnip

FENGRUSH wrote: »

New World releases Aug 31 and it won't be completely polished when it comes out. It has a variety of smaller issues and bugs it will need to tackle between now and then. What is encouraging from my point of view is what they did achieve since the alpha preview.

All in all, you're going to find different people able to find things to complain about it. You're not likely to ever get a polished MMO release again in your lifetime. They're a work in progress, they are massive projects. People remark about how poorly ESOs launch was. It did have really bad problems, I still really enjoyed ESO release though.

Besides those points, I wouldn't worry about New World threatening ESO. It was never really a target market threat for ESO to begin with. Of some of the top MMOs in the market, ESO conquers a market against New world, WoW, and FF14. ESO is an MMO, but it's not as much an MMORPG in the classic sense. ESO is very casual friendly, which many of the others did too. This is not a bad thing to do for MMOs these days, and especially later in their life cycle. They have lots of content, they want to bring people in familiar with the ES lore and explore the world.

ESO has great stories, lore, quests with voice acting, deep housing system and endless cosmetics you can put into these. ESO shifted funding to these things. As far as PvP, PvE, combat systems, server performance... it doesn't have as much funding there. It's really just not possible for them to budget it all when the game is this many years in. It's not worth the investment. So you have to settle for ESO being more of a themepark MMO experience. And thats the way I usually describe it, a themepark MMO. The combat is fantastic when it works, but that's becoming more and more difficult to achieve frequently. "Endgame content" in ESO has drifted away of interest as well for content developers. ESO is a game where you can do most things 'wrong' and still complete a large majority of the content. This has been a large effort to remove 'wrong' being a possibility from the equation. But this is part of how its not a classic MMORPG. The environment feels akin to something I would find in SIMS. I don't mean any of that personally either, its just a reality I can see as a content creator for the game for years. The environment has changed, and some content creators may move, but most wont put much time. And neither will the player base.

So a lot of ESO players wouldn't really like New World. Its world is actually beautiful. The visual/audio is top notch and I think people here would appreciate that part. But overall the game doesn't flow the same, and won't have the same content breadth at launch. It will be a work in progress too. Some PvPers will be interested in New World, but there's a lot of PvPers in ESO that just want to lag endlessly in Gray Host with 60 friends and dont really care about braving new waters either.

ESO has a really good niche it has achieved. Thats a pretty good thing. New World may be a good little vacation for some folks too. But its a solid game for where it's at. No need to really attack either of the games, they are pretty different.

I have watched you play both man. I am looking forward to a new adventure, but hope ESO will one day fix it's performance issues.
It's still my favourite game, but new world does look like a lot of fun at the very least a break from ESO is welcome 👍

Stamicka

ESO itself has been the biggest ESO “killer” although they haven’t really killed the game in the way that you think. The competitive PvPers and the end game raiders have mostly fled ESO for other games. This player demographic is much smaller now than it was in years prior. Most of the PvPers now aren’t really PvPers. Many of them don’t actually enjoy fighting players, they’ll actively avoid this at all costs. Instead they like taking keeps or playing the map for their alliance. New World might appeal to the players that have already left ESO (competitive PvPers and PVErs) and maybe a very small amount of players that still play. However, the majority of ESO’s current playerbase (the solo questers, the housing enthusiast, roleplayers) will be perfectly content with ESO. ESO will be perfectly fine.

washbern

As it stands, New world doesn't have much to offer in terms of content. While the combat seems decent, it can't hold people's attention span for long. New world won't trouble eso for a long time, not until they add an entire cruise ship worth of content.

jircris11

NylAR wrote: »

New world seems to be a whole lot more polished so far than ESO and it's in beta. That's extremely alarming, since it makes ESO feel like it's stuck in Alpha right now and there's like 8 years of difference between the two titles. Devs are actively communicating with their playerbase in New World, updates are logical and sensical and breathe more life into the game with each release. I can't say the same about ESO in all its aspects. You, ZOS, need to start communicating and working on ESO more and listen to player feedback! Cause it's going to geta whole lot worse if you don't. Updates need to improve the game, not set it back.

Just look at player count dropping, everyone talks about it in guild chats + I'm noticing a new trend between ESO youtubers and streamers where they're all dropping ESO content for more New World beta content. Especially PvP.

Please don't let us down, ZOS. This game has the potential to be the best MMO out there if both you and us start to openly communicate and the time to do so is NOW! cause Amazon is breathing down your neck.

Its a new mmo, its common for people to flock to them for a while. But trust me new world is no eso , ffxiv or wow killer heck it might not even make a dent in gw2 population that has been skyrocketing lately.

Long_Distance

washbern wrote: »

As it stands, New world doesn't have much to offer in terms of content. While the combat seems decent, it can't hold people's attention span for long. New world won't trouble eso for a long time, not until they add an entire cruise ship worth of content.

That is only partly true. Some people aren't really looking for new content. ESO could retain quite some players or reacquire some of those who left when they could make Cyrodiil function, reintroduce a death match queue for BGs and work a bit on class adjustments to remove some of the most obvious imbalances.

Heck, even some form of clear communication concerning these issues could work wonders.
After all these years they could come up with vision for their combat system? What do they perceive as their strengths and what as their weaknesses?
But all they do is pulling a new concept like a rabbit out of the hat (this time it's TTK) and go from one extreme to another - dots, procs, mitigation, burst.. Buffing it through the roof in one patch, only to nerf it to the ground next patch.
But never do they say where they want to be? It's like they change they their philosophy every patch, it feels like it's all erratic.

While New World may have many problems still and doesn't have a lot of endgame, as someone who likes to pvp you don't feel unwanted there. In ESO (with a few exceptions, notably also the next patch) you sometimes get the impression that you're nothing but a disturbance to their business model.

Sephyr

jircris11 wrote: »

NylAR wrote: »

New world seems to be a whole lot more polished so far than ESO and it's in beta. That's extremely alarming, since it makes ESO feel like it's stuck in Alpha right now and there's like 8 years of difference between the two titles. Devs are actively communicating with their playerbase in New World, updates are logical and sensical and breathe more life into the game with each release. I can't say the same about ESO in all its aspects. You, ZOS, need to start communicating and working on ESO more and listen to player feedback! Cause it's going to geta whole lot worse if you don't. Updates need to improve the game, not set it back.

Just look at player count dropping, everyone talks about it in guild chats + I'm noticing a new trend between ESO youtubers and streamers where they're all dropping ESO content for more New World beta content. Especially PvP.

Please don't let us down, ZOS. This game has the potential to be the best MMO out there if both you and us start to openly communicate and the time to do so is NOW! cause Amazon is breathing down your neck.

Its a new mmo, its common for people to flock to them for a while. But trust me new world is no eso , ffxiv or wow killer heck it might not even make a dent in gw2 population that has been skyrocketing lately.

I'm willing to bet that's due to End of Dragons (the first expansion in FOREVER it seems). It's been dragging a lot of us vets there back.

As for the OP's argument that <insert game here> is going to threaten ESO's playerbase... I've seen this argument so many times that it's as probable as us achieving CHIM in ESO.

TheImperfect

I'm not going anywhere, no interest in New World.

maxjapank

Stamicka wrote: »

Most of the PvPers now aren’t really PvPers. Many of them don’t actually enjoy fighting players, they’ll actively avoid this at all costs. Instead they like taking keeps or playing the map for their alliance.

This isn't my experience. Most of the ones I know and see do enjoying fighting other players. And they also enjoy playing the map for the alliance. Cyrodiil wasn't created to fight at resource towers or run around to farm players.

New World does seem to be running smoothly, though, as a new game. It has potential and does seem exciting for the time being.

LeoXearo

Whether or not I play New World depends on the system requirements and if it will run on my Laptop without causing it to catch fire.

WoW, FF14, and ESO run just fine on my laptop but New World's graphics look pretty good, maybe too good for my laptop to handle.

Amottica

I have played NW in multiple test phases and nothing about it is a thread to ESO. It is a game that was designed to be pure PvP until they found out they could not stop the grief and started to try to make it into a PvE game.

In other words, some may like the team-based PvP, which is pretty much team-based. However, the majority of ESO players are mostly PvE focused and they would find almost every aspect of NW PvE lacking. Farming materials is pretty much a requirement for the team based PvP.

TL;DR Only PvP players will be drawn away by NW and even then they probably need to enjoy being part of a team and farming, farming, farming.

red_emu

I have played New World for the past week and it certainly does not pose any threat to ESO.

NW needs at least another 2 years of development to come even close to ESO. I think most people are simply drawn to it by smooth PvP and graphical fidelity but when it comes to gameplay, it is very restrictive.

The RPG elements are far and few between, crafting is completely convoluted, PvP feels even more clunky than ESO (and that's saying something), ranged combat is useless, you can play a mage and run out of resources with very few ways to restore them, you can play with bow or guns but most of your shots will miss and suddenly you're out of arrows which take forever to craft again.

Quests are so repetitive and story lacking it hurts. In early game you have to go to the same tower with identical enemies for 5 quests in a row.

I'll give NW another week but so far it's very lackluster.

If ESO had re-released on a new engine it would be completely unbeatable.

thorwyn

Amottica wrote: »

I have played NW in multiple test phases and nothing about it is a thread to ESO. It is a game that was designed to be pure PvP until they found out they could not stop the grief and started to try to make it into a PvE game.

In other words, some may like the team-based PvP, which is pretty much team-based. However, the majority of ESO players are mostly PvE focused and they would find almost every aspect of NW PvE lacking. Farming materials is pretty much a requirement for the team based PvP.

TL;DR Only PvP players will be drawn away by NW and even then they probably need to enjoy being part of a team and farming, farming, farming.

I have to agree. After playing the closed beta for a while, i came to the same conclusion as Amottica. The PvE aspect of the game is nothing to write home about. There is no story, there is no quest staging and there are no relevant combat mechanics.
I could post dozends of questionable , negative or downright ridiculous game design features, but this is not the place to discuss such things. It is a fun game, don't get me wrong. But it is in no way or shape a replacement for ESO.

For all of you guys who are relying on heresay and speculations and the hype, try it yourself, form your own opinion.