ZOS really needs to pick up the slack. People are ultra excited & wanting to switch to New World.

NylAR

New world seems to be a whole lot more polished so far than ESO and it's in beta. That's extremely alarming, since it makes ESO feel like it's stuck in Alpha right now and there's like 8 years of difference between the two titles. Devs are actively communicating with their playerbase in New World, updates are logical and sensical and breathe more life into the game with each release. I can't say the same about ESO in all its aspects. You, ZOS, need to start communicating and working on ESO more and listen to player feedback! Cause it's going to geta whole lot worse if you don't. Updates need to improve the game, not set it back.

Just look at player count dropping, everyone talks about it in guild chats + I'm noticing a new trend between ESO youtubers and streamers where they're all dropping ESO content for more New World beta content. Especially PvP.

Please don't let us down, ZOS. This game has the potential to be the best MMO out there if both you and us start to openly communicate and the time to do so is NOW! cause Amazon is breathing down your neck.

Mythreindeer

Hasn't Amazon Studios abandoned more games than it has brought to live?

NylAR

Mythreindeer wrote: »

Hasn't Amazon Studios abandoned more games than it has brought to live?

Even if, have you seen where New World currently stands, how it plays, what people say about it, what players of giant MMOs think about it? I really doubt that there's room for skepticism right now.

ADarklore

Based on what I've seen... it is a completely different game. One that's focused on PVP/Group PVE... one review I read stated it was worse than BDO.

Many players here are playing because of the ES lore, but also because it's a game focusing on solo content. I don't play because of lore or because of PVP or group content... I play because of the solo content. I don't believe it is a threat to ESO, if anything, it's a major threat to WOW and FFXIV.

NylAR

ADarklore wrote: »

Based on what I've seen... it is a completely different game. One that's focused on PVP/Group PVE... one review I read stated it was worse than BDO.

Many players here are playing because of the ES lore, but also because it's a game focusing on solo content. I don't play because of lore or because of PVP or group content... I play because of the solo content. I don't believe it is a threat to ESO, if anything, it's a major threat to WOW and FFXIV.

And that's why I see the game discussed daily in guild chats, right? Why I see my favourite ESO streamers streaming their beta daily, right? Why I see youtubers that focused on ESO, starting to upload daily videos of New World, right?

Yeah no... I think they've made some improvements if it used to be as you say, cause it's gaining a lot of traction right now, especially after their last major update.

I just hope it's all false alarm for now, but it really makes me worried.

ADarklore

NylAR wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Based on what I've seen... it is a completely different game. One that's focused on PVP/Group PVE... one review I read stated it was worse than BDO.

Many players here are playing because of the ES lore, but also because it's a game focusing on solo content. I don't play because of lore or because of PVP or group content... I play because of the solo content. I don't believe it is a threat to ESO, if anything, it's a major threat to WOW and FFXIV.

And that's why I see the game discussed daily in guild chats, right? Why I see my favourite ESO streamers streaming their beta daily, right? Why I see youtubers that focused on ESO, starting to upload daily videos of New World, right?

Yeah no... I think they've made some improvements if it used to be as you say, cause it's gaining a lot of traction right now.

It's gaining traction from people who prefer the PVP/Group Content aspect... so clearly ESO isn't designed for them in the first place. I'm not worried about ESO, and in fact if some of the players left here to go play that game, it would probably make ESO even better for many of us. No more constantly complaints in forums about PVP or 'too easy' group content.

Dalsinthus

I think it will draw ESO pvp players away. That will hurt ESO, but pvp is not the central focus of ESO and it hasn’t been since early in the game. The pvp in New World seems to be very good and the servers can handle large scale battles. Performance is the main thing holding back ESO pvp. This doesn’t seem to be fixable. So inevitably pvp focused players are going to move on when better options become available.

ADarklore

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I think it will draw ESO pvp players away. That will hurt ESO, but pvp is not the central focus of ESO and it hasn’t been since early in the game. The pvp in New World seems to be very good and the servers can handle large scale battles. Performance is the main thing holding back ESO pvp. This doesn’t seem to be fixable. So inevitably pvp focused players are going to move on when better options become available.

I don't believe it will hurt ESO as bad as people make it seem. In fact, ZOS could then shift any resources away from PVP and focus them on adding even more PVE content and QoL improvements. I am seriously doubting that a huge number of PVP players are ESO+ subscribers or spend money in the Crown Store... so while the player 'count' may decline, the $$ spent by remaining players would likely remain the same or improve.

Artim_X

This has been mentioned before, but there are many who play eso because they love Tamriel and not because they love MMOs. Sure ESO can still use some work to appeal to all audiences, but it appeals to enough people that it doesn't matter how many people pop into New World as the flavor of the month MMO.

So many other MMOs that do their own thing exists and yet ESO is still here.

CaffeinatedMayhem

Oh look, yet another new MMO that’s going to “kill” ESO. (insert launch player sigh)

Wasn’t Wild Star supposed to have taken all the ESO players in 2016? Games come and go. ESO will sunset some day, but that day is not right now.

Kiralyn2000

People are ultra excited & wanting to switch to New World

Some people.

Personally, the only things I've seen about New World are the periodic panic and/or advertising post here, and once-in-awhile "Oh, look. New World still exists and/or is having problems" articles on game news sites. If there's widespread Ultra Excitement... haven't seen that much of it. /shrug

NylAR wrote: »

New world seems to be a whole lot more polished so far than ESO and it's in beta. That's extremely alarming,

Why? Why is it "alarming"? New games come out, old games fade away, okay games linger on... just part of the game industry. Games come and go, players come and go. No biggie. And as long as you maintain a certain level of players, you can keep going for quite awhile. There's enough "ESO fans" and "TES fans" playing this game that folks dragged away by Latest Shiny won't make that huge an impact.

Also, "OMG, <Game X> will be a <Game Y> Killer!" has been a standard panic post on MMO forums since before WoW.



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Personally, I've got no interest in New World.
-Most of the evangelizing I've seen on this forum has praised it's PvP... which is a style of gameplay I loathe, so... /shrug
-I saw one, possibly older, gameplay vid. It didn't seem very compelling.
-And "it's prettier!", while nice, isn't as important to me as it was, say, 20 years ago. Many games are Very Pretty these days. Just because one game is twice as pretty as another, doesn't make the second game No Longer Pretty.

Ringing_Nirnroot

Nothing beats the elder scrolls lore

Alucardo

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I think it will draw ESO pvp players away. That will hurt ESO, but pvp is not the central focus of ESO and it hasn’t been since early in the game. The pvp in New World seems to be very good and the servers can handle large scale battles. Performance is the main thing holding back ESO pvp. This doesn’t seem to be fixable. So inevitably pvp focused players are going to move on when better options become available.

Basically this. It's going to hurt the pvpers more than it will ZOS. Cyrodiil won't be as populated and a majority of my friends have already claimed NW is the bomb and they won't be returning to ESO. I mean, I can't blame them tbh. 40ms ping, true open world pvp you can do while questing, balanced and solid combat. It's a pvpers dream come true.
I'd be happy if ZOS just fixed the performance. I don't need all the other bells and whistles. I just need a stable experience. Though I guess it's hard to compete with an MMO that offers many servers in different locations over one big megaserver. They even have a server located in Australia so they won't have to deal with an average 300 ping.

Marillea

To be honest, I still prefer ESO and have no intention of switching to New World. I got beta keys, and legit haven't managed to stay in game for longer than 2 hours because of bland and boring it is to me.

It seems also that a huge chunk of players, with youtubers aswell, are refunding the game, which surely isn't a good look.

Not bashing on anything, but both games most likely have/will have their reasons to be praised/frowned upon, it is up to the players to pick whichever game they enjoy the most.

I highly doubt New World is going to kill anything.

Lugaldu

I totally understand if people like to try something new and play also other games, anyway there is a lot on the market and new games keep coming out. But for me, as a 15-years "hardcore" Elder Scrolls fan, other games are no incentive. I have no wish to try something else, love the Elder Scrolls universe and its lore, that´s it.

Kiralyn2000

Alucardo wrote: »

true open world pvp you can do while questing

Oh, good god. No, never going anywhere near that game.

Lady_Galadhiel

The hype will pass and then people will move away from New World.

Alucardo

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

true open world pvp you can do while questing

Oh, good god. No, never going anywhere near that game.

You need to flag for it, so it's voluntary pvp.

Sylvermynx

Voluntary pvp isn't a given - there are ALWAYS ways to force it on someone not flagged. Been there done that in both WoW and RIFT....

Alucardo

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Voluntary pvp isn't a given - there are ALWAYS ways to force it on someone not flagged. Been there done that in both WoW and RIFT....

Huh? you can't touch another player who isn't flagged for pvp. In WoW you're generally not even in the same instance, so you won't see it.

Spurius_Lucilius

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

true open world pvp you can do while questing

Oh, good god. No, never going anywhere near that game.

He didn’t mention unlike ESO you need to be flagged to PVP in that game. We don’t have that here in Cyrodiil.

Maybe someday ESO will have this kind of system in Cyrodiil or IC to appeal to you PVE crowds...

waterfairy

unless new world has similar outfit customizaton (without flaps lol), a good housing system, and proper combat with combos then I'm not going anywhere.
Aside from the obvious issues and frequent, poor handling of "balance" updates, my only beef with eso is the crap combat that leans on animation cancel...everything else is good imo

Sylvermynx

There are many ways for it to happen. I've seen all the traps and tricks and been victimized by them. Since it doesn't happen in ESO, that's all I care about. But it definitely does happen in open world games with flagged for pvp.

corrosivechains

For all the hate people pretend to have for Jeff Bezos, they sure love supporting his products and giving him their money. Last I heard, ESO never had a problem with bricking people's graphics cards *shrugs*. Honestly though these topics crop up in every game forum, and for the past few years discord channels as well, whenever some "new and shiny" is released. Anyone remember that game Atlas?

robpr

At least ESO doesnt brick gpus And performance in both games is similar.

BlueRaven

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

true open world pvp you can do while questing

Oh, good god. No, never going anywhere near that game.

Agreed.

Wow got rid of their “pvp” servers, and I keep seeing other mmos come out with exclusively “pvp” servers type gameplay.. Then after a month or two those mmos wonder why people stopped playing.
Even fallout 76 has started putting the breaks on pvp servers due to a lack of participation.

waterfairy

Alucardo wrote: »

true open world pvp you can do while questing, balanced and solid combat. It's a pvpers dream come true.

have you ever played bdo? It has that great combat and open world pvp but it's more frustrating then fun...you're just minding your business killing swarms of mobs then outta nowhere a high level jerk just 1 shots you and there's nothing you can do to prevent it...plus you can't respawn on the spot.

zelaminator

New games will always draw a lot of attention, doom and gloom, and so on.. I was excited about new world too, but the amount of open world PvP threw me off.. streamers leaving for new world.? Well they need to stay with new/popular things to keep the sheep glued to the screen.. I don't really see new world as an ESO killer

Alucardo

corrosivechains wrote: »

For all the hate people pretend to have for Jeff Bezos, they sure love supporting his products and giving him their money. Last I heard, ESO never had a problem with bricking people's graphics cards *shrugs*. Honestly though these topics crop up in every game forum, and for the past few years discord channels as well, whenever some "new and shiny" is released. Anyone remember that game Atlas?

The game didn't brick the GPU, it's a hardware fault. All NW did was expose the problems in an already faulty card, ie: the EVGA 3090

The_Lex

Amazing the callous attitude that PvEers have toward people who joined this game for PvP, especially from the beginning, but now can’t play because of ZOS’ inability to improve performance. I love PvP however I don’t take anything anything away from people who hate it.

Tandor

Sylvermynx wrote: »

There are many ways for it to happen. I've seen all the traps and tricks and been victimized by them. Since it doesn't happen in ESO, that's all I care about. But it definitely does happen in open world games with flagged for pvp.

Indeed, for instance I recall occasions in past games where use of area spells by PvPers resulted in PvErs being caught up in them and then being attacked by guards.

As for New World, I've lost track of the number of new games that were going to be wonderful, balanced, and free of performance issues before everyone started actually playing them, and it was firstly going to be Wildstar that killed ESO, then it was going to be ArcheAge, then every WoW expansion, not to mention BDO and FFXIV, and so on. Meanwhile, poor old ESO has struggled on steadily gaining more players each and every year. Even when players have left ESO most of them have ended up coming back shortly afterwards. There isn't another game like it, and players tend to realise that when they try out other games. New World may attract some PvPers, but frankly that wouldn't worry me in the slightest. I can't see anyone else being attracted to it.