ZOS really needs to pick up the slack. People are ultra excited & wanting to switch to New World.

paulychan

y do these posts remind me of fake amazon reviews?

it's great, go buy it lolz now give me my 5 dollars.

NagualV

I am what you would call a "PVP only" player. I play other non-mmo pvp games as well. I feel like there are plenty of good pvp titles to play out there, and I do when I have time.

I continue to play eso, despite all the "issues"(been playing since PC launch, although not pvp at the beginning!), because of two reasons -

1. Open world pvp in the Elder Scrolls Universe.
2. When it works correctly, the combat is excellent.

I have other options, and I play them when I have time, but those two things are why I will still play and not switch to another mmo.

LadySinflower

New World is focused on pvp and group content? Thanks for the heads - up. Now I don't have to waste my time checking it out! 😉

Castagere

I just watched a couple of youtube reviews of this game. The OP claims it's more polished than ESO. That has to be from someone trying to start something over this so-called polished game. Go to another game site and promote the game and make claims that people are leaving ESO for it. The game can't even get the run animation to work right and they have their own servers. The reviews called the game generic at best and worse of all directionless. It looks really pretty though.

Sephyr

Yeah, a game that's been hyped to this extent and having tried it myself?

Meh.

I'll pass. New World isn't the ship I'm looking forward to hop to as a PvPer.

SimonThesis

I switched over to New World and Im loving it. ESO wasnt adding any new pvp content or fixing any of the pvp bugs. I plan on canceling ESO+ August 31st.

SeaGtGruff

NylAR wrote: »

Mythreindeer wrote: »

Hasn't Amazon Studios abandoned more games than it has brought to live?

Even if, have you seen where New World currently stands,

No.

NylAR wrote: »

how it plays,

No.

NylAR wrote: »

what people say about it,

No.

NylAR wrote: »

what players of giant MMOs think about it?

No.

NylAR wrote: »

I really doubt that there's room for skepticism right now.

Using "really doubt" and "skepticism" together that way in that sentence seems... I don't think "oxymoronic" is the best term to use, but perhaps "ironic" fits?

I've nothing against New World or any other MMORPG. I avoided MMORPGs for years before playing ESO, and I only gave ESO a chance because it's an Elder Scrolls game. I may or may not give New World or any of the many other MMORPGs a chance someday, but at the moment I have 0 interest in it. TBH, I think I'd be more inclined to give LotRO, AoC, or SWtOR a try, but I'm not rushing off to do that anytime soon.

radiostar

I'm in the beta. The queue time is atrocious, and the forced pvp is not everyone's cup of tea. I'm not planning to play it, but some people are okay with it.

omegatay_ESO

I see eso eventually stops growing, and starts a slow death. Mostly, in my opinion due to poor performance that ZoS can't figure out, or won't address.
It's always a top complaint, and I am positive it has stopped this game from gaining a much larger player base.

LeoRJBrazil

I have played ESO since BETA, I am not a hardcore but love a MMO game. I am from Brazil and ESO missed an opportunity to place a South America server. Amazon´s New World is taking this opportunity, with a SA server and not only that. They are charging for the game not the USD exchanged to local currency but with a price based on country reality.

Result, the beta test started with 4 SA servers and now has 23 servers. It has been great.

I will give New World a chance, for a better ping experience.

exeeter702

New world is a confused mess. It still has elements of its early pitch of being an online survival game that focusing on physics based pvp combat.

And now it's this weird psuedo trinity based mmorpg with laughably bad pve instanced content while still trying to hang on to the survival elements and a combat system that is more shallow than a kiddie pool.

The pvp is an absolute joke currently.

Eiagra

Hmm. I'm not seeing orcs represented in this New World... If I can't be an orc, then I'm not interested.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

I saw some videos of new world.
The running mechanics look like 'power walking'. *it made me chuckle a bit*

Other than that I see no reason not to try it if you are interested. Some may enjoy it some may not. I personally feel that getting invested into another MMO style game would be hard for me as it's time consuming and I perhaps want to switch that trend.

I can feel the PvP crowd here getting riled up and it's normal. Our PvP here isn't up to par no matter the standard I suppose. It's underperforming to an extent which is questionable. *sighs*

Kusto

People who say pvp is great in New World have clearly not tried it or watched any reviews/gameplay. You only got 2 weapons and 3 abilities each, no stuns, cc or gap closer. Animations are clunky and awkward and theres no way to cancel them. Once you hit the button, you're stuck doing it. The other player can easily roll or just step back and watch you dance there by yourself lmao. New world combat is a joke.

Arahallris

New World doesn't even have an immersive environment compared to ESO, towns only have like 5 or 6 npcs in them with broken dialogue and with zero ambient chatter. Game doesn't even have weather lol. When the initial hype dies down and people get their fill, the game world is going to feel dead, empty, and quite lonely.

I never realized how npc's doing their own thing makes the game feel somewhat living.

starkerealm

SilverBride wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Every new game is jammed with players from beta through to a few months after it launches. What matters is the churn level from then on. If they have the same retention and growth as ESO seven years on then New World will be doing well.

The thing about ESO is that the problems that get raised here are only an issue for a certain (and quite small) subset of players, for others the game is absolutely fine and the overall numbers are holding up well in the Steam charts, for example. While not perfect, they're a better indication of overall trends than any "all my friends have left" type comments.

This. ^

Also, every time someone says "All my friends have left." I wonder why they didn't go with them. Don't they want to play with their friends any more? If ESO is so bad, what is keeping them here instead of going to play with their friends?

In some cases, because friends splinter off to different games, or even non-MMOs. I've got a few friends from back in the STO days, but none of us are still playing the same games these days.

MrMazurski

What ppl? I dont saw too much ppl what wanna instant switch for NW.

ESO have much problems, mostly with lags, what ZOS should have fix a long time ago, but you can see that they don't care much about it.

NW is not a holy grail, currently it looks like a template, a skeleton of an unfinished game. It has many advantages, but also many disadvantages. and in the last year or so, they really haven't done much
For me, NW comes with the most wooden no-class combat system. The first problem is 7 weapons with a poor development tree and only 3 skills? Cmon guys, I have never seen a more poor combat system. who gets bored after a few fights and is so shallow, without panache, depth. Its a joke for game with pvp focus.

NW doesn't even have an Endgame idea.

And their announcement QoL items like fast travel? I prefer miss game where you need credit card for play. At least ESO is not breaking your foot on this point. Can be played without ESO +

AcadianPaladin

That ESO is multiplayer is a drawback that I happily live with due to its sheer mass & scale (which dwarfs Oblivion and Skyrim combined), nice graphics, enjoyable combat and the fact that it is one of very very few games I've played that I enjoy being a pure mage. I don't play ESO for PvP or group content. Happily, ESO is quite solo friendly.

When one finds a game that meets your needs better than what you're playing, changing to it makes all the sense in the world. I take no pleasure in what seems to be dissatisfaction about some of ESO's PvP and group aspects but if those areas are important to you and there is a game that provides a more enjoyable experience in those areas, then I'd recommend changing to it. I'm simply saying that, after reviewing New World, my continuance in ESO is not in jeopardy.

RisenEclipse

I feel like every time a new MMO comes out there's always a town crier screaming DOOM UPON ALL YEE HERE! But honestly I really don't think much is going to happen. As a PvEr I tend to stay away from PvP focused games and New World is leaning a bit too much into that for my liking. I also need a game with a huge amount of character creation choices and New World I do believe only has one race to pick from. So I'm going to be staying right here in ESO :P

But I don't think people posting "your game is gunna get wrecked ZOS!" is really going to do anything before it you know... actually happens. IF it happens. We've been through this before and the devs know it. So why are they going to listen now when the last times this happened they still are here making money? I am happy for the people who perhaps may have found a game they enjoy more and tick more boxes in their must haves in an MMO. But honestly, new players will probably still come into ESO while others leave. Tis the life of a MMO. And people might just jump between games too. As one MMO will have things the other doesn't have. So who knows, maybe we'll see people traveling between it. But imo this isn't the end of ESO or is going to cause the catastrophe displayed here and in other posts about this topic.

SkaraMinoc

No thanks. I'll stick with ESO.

Malprave

I’ve watched enough reviews of New World to know that game is going to bomb. I see numerous things about it that are going to alienate the average player. There will be a small group of hardcore players that will swear it’s the best thing since sliced bread but most people won’t play that game for long.

JayKwellen

ADarklore wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I think it will draw ESO pvp players away. That will hurt ESO, but pvp is not the central focus of ESO and it hasn’t been since early in the game. The pvp in New World seems to be very good and the servers can handle large scale battles. Performance is the main thing holding back ESO pvp. This doesn’t seem to be fixable. So inevitably pvp focused players are going to move on when better options become available.

I don't believe it will hurt ESO as bad as people make it seem. In fact, ZOS could then shift any resources away from PVP and focus them on adding even more PVE content and QoL improvements. I am seriously doubting that a huge number of PVP players are ESO+ subscribers or spend money in the Crown Store... so while the player 'count' may decline, the $$ spent by remaining players would likely remain the same or improve.

im pretty sure pvp players spend way more than overland players considering all the motifs and mounts they have. not to mention a lot of dlc and some trial gear got used in pvp too so they would buy or sub to it.

Also when this game was thriving, they didnt really improved or spend more resources to make it better so why do you think they would do it after pvp players leave?

Furthermore, as I said, I seriously doubt a "huge number" of PVP players are spending a lot of money in the game. If a player is PVP-centric, they don't care about motifs, or mounts, or XP scrolls, costumes, etc... the only thing they do is log in and PVP. No questing, no crafting, etc. Sure there are those who do both PVE and PVP... but I'm speaking of those who ONLY PVP.

@ADarklore you don't actually know any serious PvPers, do you?

I "ONLY PVP", and literally everything you just mentioned is something I'm concerned about.

Regarding mounts and motifs, do you think PvPers just want to run around in bland gear? I've seen far more radiant apex mounts in Cyrodiil than I've seen literally anywhere else.

And no crafting? Do you think we all just buy all of our gear and potions and poisons and enchantments? If we're doing nothing but PvP, where are we getting the hundreds of thousands in gold needed every couple months when ZOS wildly swings the meta around?

Even XP scrolls, you're aware PvPers have multiple characters as well too, right? Characters that have to be leveled up?

I don't know a single "serious" PvPer who only logs into cyrodiil and does nothing else.

Mythreindeer

JJOtterBear wrote: »

If Amazon hadn't abandoned their LOTR MMO they were working on, THAT might have threatened ESO. But ESO and New World have different focuses on gameplay. The players that will leave ESO for NW are the ones who weren't really committed to ESO in the first place. So its no great loss.

Interesting that. Apparently things fell apart when the Chinese studio Amazon was working with was bought by Chinese giant Tencent. If you know anything about Tencent (and you do if you've played Path of Exile anytime in the past few years - hint: I uninstalled PoE because it disintegrated into unplayability 2 years ago due to shifting priorities). It's likely for the best that game won't see light of day under a Tencent alliance.

Still, any game as established as ESO won't die from a new introduction, just as SWTOR won't. Besides, Microsoft isn't going to let their new baby die so quickly. Not to mention all new fantasy games are a rehash of games that already have or currently exist...meh. Someone may argue that they have new lore, or at least a new story, but really all fantasy in the past 60-70 years is heavily influenced by Tolkien - yes, all of it.

Alucardo

starkerealm wrote: »

I have absolutely no faith Amazon isn't going to take the extra step and straight up kill the game by selling power directly before the game's first anniversary.

Hey man, Bezos's rockets aren't going to pay for themselves.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

No thanks. I'll stick with ESO.

I don't think the point of the OP was to sell you on NW. Besides, I don't think a majority of the people here would enjoy it, at all. It has poor character customization, and the houses are VERY basic. It's mostly used for fast travel and storing trophies for character buffs. So all that... fluff that people like and makes zero sense to me, you probably won't find it there.
It appeals to pvpers more than anyone I would say, which is still a lot. I think people underestimate how many of us care about that facet of MMOs, and while it may not bring the game down if we weren't there, it'd be a pretty big hit. One of the largest and most active ESO streams the other day was Cyrodiil PvP.

regime211

I love the reply of this thread. Because eso has constantly declined with its performance and once it gets to a point that you can barely function in pve, and I mean to the point where abilities don't fire and you can't finish a trial or dungeon without serious lag. The forums will be set on fire and I understand loving the lore. But once again if performance continues to decline, do you seriously think pve won't meet the same issues pvp has? I can't imagine them getting rid of pvp, and ultimately not breaking something that will affect pve as well. New world is still in beta and has a ton of potential, I much rather see how launch will be, I do love what new world has to offer but I'm not putting all my eggs in a basket yet.

hands0medevil

NylAR wrote: »

New world seems to be a whole lot more polished so far than ESO and it's in beta. That's extremely alarming, since it makes ESO feel like it's stuck in Alpha right now and there's like 8 years of difference between the two titles. Devs are actively communicating with their playerbase in New World, updates are logical and sensical and breathe more life into the game with each release. I can't say the same about ESO in all its aspects. You, ZOS, need to start communicating and working on ESO more and listen to player feedback! Cause it's going to geta whole lot worse if you don't. Updates need to improve the game, not set it back.

Just look at player count dropping, everyone talks about it in guild chats + I'm noticing a new trend between ESO youtubers and streamers where they're all dropping ESO content for more New World beta content. Especially PvP.

Please don't let us down, ZOS. This game has the potential to be the best MMO out there if both you and us start to openly communicate and the time to do so is NOW! cause Amazon is breathing down your neck.

well, we have The World Playes ESO https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/worldplays for like a month or two now? at least it will confuse people on twitch a little bit

Mitaka211

Eso is a lot older and the engine itself is holding the game back but i still think New World is grossly overhyped and people will start catching on when their favorite streamers change their opinions.
New World is an empty souless game that fails at the things it claims it is focused on. The combat is simple and spammy with no actual skill involved. The majority of the time it is far more effective to just sit in someones face and spam attack than having any sort of tactics. It has 0 and i mean 0 content, the moment people play it for more than 3 days they will realize this. The game has a ton of bad dessisions that will make crafting, trading and pretty much every single side job worthless in a month of game time. Think people , New World is really not that good. Any new MMO is fun when you first start it but after a good month or two when people experience everything , all the flaws start to build up.

But we also can not forget the state of ESO when it first came out and how much the game has changed in a positive way. New World has a really strong engine with a ton of potential AND the Devs in Amazon seem to be really responding well to feedback. If ESO wants to compete with it Zos really needs to start thinking about updating the engine or even switching it out. If FF did it i see no reason they can't do it. My fears are that they will let ESO fade out and forget about it while they are working on their new mmo, which would be a massive mistake. Elder scrolls is a really good IP to just let it rot away with no major updates.

amir412

PVP is just dead in ESO. What a suprise.

Alucardo

amir412 wrote: »

PVP is just dead in ESO. What a suprise.

stahp. ur breaking muh heart

Faulgor

While I don't expect NW to be that successful, I do hope ZOS has greater plans for ESO in the future, especially under the Microsoft umbrella. ESO has been Bethesda Softwork's most lucrative title these past years, and MS would have been aware of this when they spent billions on the whole company. While I don't expect Xbox to directly interfere in ESO's development, I can see them investing in whatever ZOS asks for.
Hopefully the increasing size of the dev team is a sign for things to come.