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Leads in IC; if you wanted us to hate PvP even more... this was it
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Pinja✭✭✭✭I for one think having leads exclusively in IC speaks to the diversity of the challenges and play styles in this game. Not only does it let players enjoy a new experience it fleshes out the Indiana Jones experience into one that is benignly hazardous and fun.
It's better then them hiding a lead in the planer walkway of Vet Maw of Lorkhaj if you ask me...12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »Since antiquities is a PVE activity, putting leads in PVP is just a guaranteed frustration. If they were going to put PVE activity leads in PVP, then they should have put the leads, especially the IC ones, in safe zones, where all factions can do the pve thing without gankers and other sorts around. That makes sense.
Nope.
The leads for the PvP equipment (siege lancers) can only be excavated in a PvE zone. It goes both ways.
Bottom Line: If the lead is that important to you, it's time to get out of your comfort zone and use a different playstyle.13 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"enjoy a new experience".
Nopenopenope. I spent all the time I'm ever going to spend pvp'ing in WoW in a friend's guild on a pvp server. I hated every minute of it.
There is not one thing gated behind pvp that I think is worth enough to deal with it.8 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
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So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
Not a single player is stopping anyone from going into a pve zone and killing a monster. So don't compare it to going into a pvp zone and killing a monster while players actively try to stop you every time for however long it takes for you to quit.32 -
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✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »The fact that there are leads in IC is not the problem. The problem is that IC is a failure of a zone, with no overarching story and no sense of adventure.
It doesn't even make sense after you finish the Main Quest. You sorted out everything at Stirk so the Alliances should have stopped fighting in Cyrodiil and the Imperial City.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »The fact that there are leads in IC is not the problem. The problem is that IC is a failure of a zone, with no overarching story and no sense of adventure.
It doesn't even make sense after you finish the Main Quest. You sorted out everything at Stirk so the Alliances should have stopped fighting in Cyrodiil and the Imperial City.
All too true....0 -
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So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
PvPers dont get ganked by other players constantly in PvE, which delays their progress. It's not the same.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!23 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Red_Feather wrote: »
So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
Not a single player is stopping anyone from going into a pve zone and killing a monster. So don't compare it to going into a pvp zone and killing a monster while players actively try to stop you every time for however long it takes for you to quit.
This is what I hate about this. One of the items I wanted I’m locked out of because of this crap, basically. I’m not even going to bother now. Mythics can go die in a hole somewhere in “good but failed idea” land, just like jewelry crafting.7 -
StamPlar_1976✭✭✭✭Now I have a reason to go to IC. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I look forward to seeing you pve-ers there. 😊😊😊7
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mavfin✭✭✭✭The whining only fuels us to want to gank them more, to be honest.
As expected. Why actually fight someone that might hurt you back when you can backstab someone trying to kill an NPC, who's not even set up to fight you.
Standard PvPer stance. Easy targets that can't fight you and especially don't even *want* to fight you are always best.
And people wonder why I have little respect for fantasy MMO PvPers. They crow a lot about how great they are, but the reality isn't all that.32 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People are complaining about not getting leads immediately because they want all the items this week
The Antiquities system is something that was added which contributes to the long term of the game.
Which is why there are leads everywhere.
You may not like PvP having leads but I’m sure there are various PvP players who appreciate it.
Of course people are hating the grind if all they’re doing is farming leads. It’s supposed to be something you do as you play - like crafting.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea that there are leads for pvp play, I think having them be exclusive is the issue.
And again there are literally dozens of leads that are locked behind PvE activities that PvPers don't like to do. Fishing. Dungeons. Trials. Pathfinder achievements which include delve completions. There are leads that are only exclusive to those activities. This is why a lot of people think that PvEers have a chip on their shoulder. Everyone has to suffer through THEIR content, but Mara forbid it if they actually have to do something they don't want to to get a special item from the system.
If they made what is now exclusive pve leads also drop in pvp I would not care, just as long as they all drop in pve. Why should one form or the other have exclusives for that type of game play?
The same argument works in reversal. The. Other. Leads. In. Raids. Do. Not. Drop. In. PvP. Literally most leads do NOT drop in PvP. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
I don't understand. Did I not just say have all leads that drop in PvE also drop in PvP and vice versa? I honestly don't care.
Have monster helms drop in PvP, it's fine with me. Why should any of that bother me?
I wasn't talking about monster helms. There are literally leads that are locked behind PvE activities. Fishing. Trials. Dungeons. It doesn't take but 20 seconds to google this or look on Alcast's website. They can't get most of those leads by participating in PvP and are ONLY FOUND IN PVE, so why should YOU be that special in having a select few (literally, there's just 8 of them compared to how many PvE leads?) that are locked behind PvP? It's not hard to understand unless you're birdboxing the point in which case, I have better things to deal with if you're going to go "BUT PVP" all day. If you don't want to PvP, you don't need the leads. Simple. If I have to put up with finding leads only found in fishing, dungeons, and raids, you have to put up with only a couple in the IC and Cyrodiil.Edited by Sephyr on June 8, 2020 2:56AM10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StamPlar_1976 wrote: »Now I have a reason to go to IC. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I look forward to seeing you pve-ers there. 😊😊😊
You won’t. The vast majority of us are going to say eff it entirely. Because we know people like you exist.22 -
StamPlar_1976✭✭✭✭StamPlar_1976 wrote: »Now I have a reason to go to IC. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I look forward to seeing you pve-ers there. 😊😊😊
You won’t. The vast majority of us are going to say eff it entirely. Because we know people like you exist.
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Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StamPlar_1976 wrote: »Now I have a reason to go to IC. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I look forward to seeing you pve-ers there. 😊😊😊
STAB ME, DADDY. In seriousness though, I'm happy that it's bringing PvPers back to the zone. The place was dead.Edited by Sephyr on June 8, 2020 2:45AM4 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The place was dead.
For good reason. It's a small taste of what open world PvP is like. [snip]
[Edited for Bashing]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 8, 2020 11:09AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Boohoo a PVE'er has to go PvP for leads, I'm a PvP'er and have to go PvE ( most zones are still unexplored so I have to run from one end of the map to the other )9 -
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✭✭Red_Feather wrote: »
So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
Not a single player is stopping anyone from going into a pve zone and killing a monster. So don't compare it to going into a pvp zone and killing a monster while players actively try to stop you every time for however long it takes for you to quit.
You know you can fight back, right?13 -
Sorbin✭✭✭✭Dude just nut up and go kill them. It's not hard to be at least mildly decent at this game's PvP. Find a decent build. Practice. Hell, zerg around if that's the only way you can get the lead. Whining on the forums doesn't accomplish anything.12
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✭Red_Feather wrote: »
So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
Not a single player is stopping anyone from going into a pve zone and killing a monster. So don't compare it to going into a pvp zone and killing a monster while players actively try to stop you every time for however long it takes for you to quit.
But Bad tanks healers or dps stop me from farming my leads/gear in Dungeons.
And you know what helps me? Get friends and build a group. Same goes for PvP
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✭✭Maybe you can pay a couple good PVPers to act as bodyguards, if you get a lead farming group together and everyone pitches in the cost shouldnt be too high.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
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So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
It is very rare for PvEers to actively try to prevent PvPers from achieving their objectives in PvE zones.10 -
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✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
So pvpers having to pve to get most of the stuff is fine but pvers going to Cyro/IC occasionally is not? Ok.
It is very rare for PvEers to actively try to prevent PvPers from achieving their objectives in PvE zones.You know you can fight back, right?
Edited by Vietfox on June 8, 2020 6:19AM3 -
HalvarIronfist✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »Normally I hate IC and avoid it. Don't care to do it, not fun getting ganked.
But now there are leads in IC.
So now I get to wade through more of the [snip]
Way to increase resentment and misery
Do you also hold the double standard then if I would present the question of..
"As a pvper, should I have to PVE to get gear that I want?"
If you're holding resentment over getting an item in a video game I think you should step away or re-evaluate your options. There's plenty of ways around being ganked or having "to deal with annoying petty 13 year old crap".
This sounds like a rather whiny attitude rather than a positive. "Wow, here's a challenge." They could have made gold leads as rare as aetherial dust, or something of the like. They could have made mythic items( Or other leads outside of mythics) 100% more worth than any monster set, but rather they're pretty okay where they are now.
To be fair, I both PVE and PVP. Farming leads put me to sleep. It was nice to have a nice spruce up where I could pvp and farm my leads. Was it easy? No. Was it fun? Yes.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 9, 2020 1:19PM5 -
Thoragaal✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
It is very rare for PvEers to actively try to prevent PvPers from achieving their objectives in PvE zones.
It's pvp. The goal is to play Against the other player. It's the whole point of it. It's the very nature of pvp.
Please refrain from saying things like "[...] actively try to prevent PvPers from achieving their objectives [...]", you have no idea if that player is engaging in pvp because he/she wants to prevent you from your own objective, which seems to be avoiding pvp and doing pve... in a pvp area...
If you step inside a pvp area people will assume that you're there to pvp, or at least that you're ready for the potential consequences of dying.Edited by Thoragaal on June 8, 2020 6:23AMThe road to hell is paved with good intentions.
"I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse" -Karl Pilkington, on the question what he'd do if it was the last day on earth.9 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Meanwhile 38+ runs into dire frost keep, and still no lead.
Definetly not running the dungeon Beacuse its fun.
That being said I'd be happy to get mythic leads from pvp activities, at least the dungeon ones could be made accessible through pvp, and the pvp one through dungeons.
Would make more sense to me.Edited by Firstmep on June 8, 2020 7:01AM3 -
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✭✭Which are the leads droping in IC?
I don't have a problem with any pvp zone, even though I do not play much pvp, and it isn't my thing.
But players who complain about this are those with a low tolerance for failure, the ones who don't like to die in pve or pvp, usually the type of players who leave the group after a wipe. They want to be carried or easy drops/lootboxes.
I got my share of ganking in IC or Cyrodiil, usually it was a NB sniper, a playstyle I "despise" even though my main is a NB and I could roll that build anytime, but all this is part of the game. The sniper had his fun, next time I found him and destroyed him. Same happens with IC boss runs. It is all down to who gets into a working group/zerg first. Yeah, it's bad to be wrecked by such a group, but on the other hand it feels great when you are part of it and you can engage almost in any battle, conquer the map and all that.
To those saying IC doesn't have a story, I can only agree that the story is short. Otherwise, the Drake of Blades' story arc is memorable, and also I still remember the squad of immortals. If I remember a quest after a year it means that it was good.
And OK, you might not like IC for the story, but it has the best dye which everyone loves, transliminal violet [PC/EU] Tamriel Hero, Stormproof, Grand Master Crafter7 -
milllaurie✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »So now I get to wade through more of the [snip]
Way to increase resentment and misery
Well the problem is not the 13 year olds, it is you hating IC.
I dont do PVE for example. I only lvl chars for pvp. But there is this skill line, called undaunted, which increases my stats for a great bunch. Do you see where I am going here?
When leveling undaunted or farming gear I do not put myself into the victim role, I do the dps, or equip ebon and sword and shield and tank the *** out of the bosses. I unlock silver leash to pull adds (though I will never use that skill in pvp most likely), I do the best job I can.
The problem is not the players in IC (who are doing pvp in pvp zone by the way) it is you and alike who do not want to put a tiny bit of effort into something. It is easy to be the victim, try equiping some impen gear, a couple of heals invisibility potions, maybe cowards gear set, well the options are there. Ask guildies for help, hell ask me for help on PC-EU, just PLEASE STOP WHINING ABOUT PEOPLE DOING PVP.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 9, 2020 1:20PM13
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