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Why nerf Iceheart?
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universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Just remove the damage... 500 dps is useless anyway.... then there is more space in the power budget to keep the defensive side useful... because thats what this is... a DEFENSIVE set, so why bother with useless sub par damage as well?
It was dealing too much dmg, according to devs. Lmao10 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭@LeHarrt91 if you were running iceheart for the damage you're doing it wrong.
Grothdarr is just better.
They could remove the damage entirely from Iceheart and it would still be a great set.
The shield size reduction I'm fine with.
The cool down destroys it.
100% nailed it. If a defensive set isn't reliable then it's useless.
I get that its a defensive set and i dont use it in pve, but understand why it was used. But it is the only Frost Damage monster set.PS NA
Have played all classes.
Warden Main3 -
WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why can't you ever look at BRP DW the way you look at some other sets. FFSPC NA
All my comments are regarding PvP5 -
xylena✭✭✭✭✭sabotage + potato = sabotate
the perfect descriptor for this combat team's recent changesRetired until we break the Tank Meta11 -
TheUndeadAmulet✭✭✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »Why can't you ever look at BRP DW the way you look at some other sets. FFS
Because the BRP dual wield didn't replace another base game defensive set after the defensive set was nerfed into the ground just to make BRP DW look good.XBOX NA 1000+ CP
PC NA 400+ CP
nerf ping please0 -
Tubb_Dooose✭✭ICEHEART:
Keep the shield size and cooldown the same as before.
Just remove the damage from the set.
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OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Set was useful for one thing and one thing only... and now that's gone. Time to put away Iceheart6 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭You know a nerf is bad when it comes out of left field. Also the rubbish thought process doesn't help justify the unnecessary nerf.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ive seen mistake after mistake made by zos but this just takes the cake my god why destroy an set to make another look good when it won't be no matter how hard you destroy the other13 -
Ozby✭✭✭✭✭
Yup but for ice magesPC NA
Aurora Bravepaw (Healden), Basks in Fire (DKTank), Bran Artlion (Magplar), Brindel Seedthorne (Stamden WW), Brugo Gargak (Stamcro), Casimir Delmar (StamDK), Falco Bastion (Stamsorc), Fus Ro Dah (Stamplar), Gandalff the Gay (Petsorc), Jo-Qinan Betula (Magden), Laveera Hex (Magcro), Raine Whitestag (Stamden), Raised by Bears (Wardentank), Ralak Rotheart (Healcro), Selene Sunshadow MagDK), Shadow Mirage (NBTank), Slythe Rattlebone (Healplar), Ulfnor Dragonslayer (Tankcro).2 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't use Iceheart but I can tell this is a horrible decision clouded by BS reasons.7 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm not even surprised. Just revert the changes and remove the damage component. And then make an actual original monster set for the DLC.PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
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CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭driosketch wrote: »Was Ice heart even that strong? I was using it for flavor on my Ice Warden build. It didn't seem that impressive.
It had a really useful, specific niche. It was a fantastic tool for learning new content until you got used to it and could optimise with an out and out damage option. It wasn't breaking leaderboards, didn't seem to be causing noise with PvP players but it was helping newer players on people setting foot into tougher dungeons or trials. It did, however, commit the cardinal sin of making the new shiny thing look not shiny.
Give this guy a medal 🥉 lol9 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What's next, a set that gives minor bersek on LAs, so you will nerf slimecraw, making it proc on Full heavy crits?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique6 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is one of the worst set nerfs ZoS has made, and incredibly transparent. You want to sell DLC, we get it. Sell it by making your new sets good. Not by nerfing old sets with a niche purpose that no one complained about to make a new subpar set look like an decent alternative (spoiler alert, it's not).Edited by heaven13 on February 3, 2020 11:37PMPC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
Defanged the Devourer | Nature's Wrath | Relentless Raider | True Genius | Bane of Thorns | Subterranean Smasher | Ardent Bibliophile
vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS17 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭everything must be subject to new standardization equations because fun is calculated with algebra.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
NA: Magplar, Magden, PotatoBlade6 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭a set that was actually useful, both player camps happy with it as it was (a rare thing indeed), had no impact on leader board or End game trial completions, a set that actually "worked"..............Ruined for the sake of a set they decided we needed yet never asked for in anyway shape or form because WE ALREADY HAD IT!!!
nice one ZOS lost for words on how utterly ridiculous this decision is21 -
Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm honestly starting to think the only way to play this game is to pick the worst race/class/gear combo and hope you don't get nerfed for an update or two. If you want to do more than overland or farming nodes you're gonna get hit. My solo frost magden will keep my one iceheart set because it fits but come on Zo$7 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
TBH, after natch potes I lost any interest in playing for the rest of the week.
It is beyond a set that I haven't used quite in a while, is just that the message "buy new content so you can do what you used to do anyway before the patch" is so... gross, it makes me stay away from login in.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique18 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭I could live with the Ice heart nerf but it's so arbitrary that they lose a lot of credibility. The fact that it is to try to make a very bad set (tied to a new DLC) look good makes me completely lose respect for them.
I'm gonna have to make a heck of a lot of space in my inventory because come renewal day, I don't know if I want to encourage a team that has very very bad taste when it comes to improving their game.8 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Are you *** kidding me?Edited by ESO_Nightingale on February 4, 2020 12:15AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX14 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Holy WHAT?!
So much Dreugh Wax down the drain golding this set across three characters.
Just when I was beginning to have some faith in the design team... they flush it all down the drain.
This reeks of a cynical cash-grab for the upcoming DLC disguised with the fig-leaf of earlier comparisons between Iceheart and the new DLC hat.
As someone early in the thread said: NEVER, EVER, EVER compare two sets!8 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This has got to be the absolute worst nerf to any set i think I've ever seen. No-one complained about this set. Not the uptime. Not the damage and not the shield. This is absolutely abysmal. And it needs to be fully reverted back to how it *** was.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX28 -
Volckodav✭✭✭It's really a shame because I loved it to have my Frost magden theme, + proc my frost damage set even more! honestly nothing over-performing, was unique...I don't see any excuse to that, expect sell not appealing new monster set:
SHAME ZOS, SHAME DING DING!!!!9 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As a solo player, this is kind of disappointing.
I am honestly not that great at this game, but Iceheart lets me do things like solo DLC dungeons on normal, so I can experience the content the developers make and just have a good time.
That is going to be a whole lot more difficult now. It really is quite discouraging.
Iceheart isn't like other sets that have been nerfed in the past; it doesn't break PVP, it doesn't trivialize endgame content, it is just a solid set for the solo player.
I almost always disagree with nerfs, as they take something that feels powerful and fun and just make it less so. The fact that this nerf comes so soon after the discussion about solo players missing out on stories in dungeon content adds a little extra sting, as this set allowed us to experience that content.
Maybe I am over-exaggerating, but I feel that nerfing this set is a nerf against solo players and ESO has always been special BECAUSE you can really be a solo player. I feel like this is a step in taking away something that makes ESO what it is.
Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno , I hate throwing out the ZOS tag, but could you pass these thoughts on to the combat balancing folk? I know I am just a drop in the ocean here, but this is something that I would hope they could see, even if it doesn'tt end up changing anything.
Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.35
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