Why nerf Iceheart?

HackTheMinotaur

This feels like a blatant cash grab. Nerfed Iceheart to a 50% uptime and gave the new monster helm a 100% up time?

We gave you guys feedback on how to improve the set without touching Iceheart.

Really disappointing.

llBlack_Heartll

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

This feels like a blatant cash grab. Nerfed Iceheart to a 50% uptime and gave the new monster helm a 100% up time?

We gave you guys feedback on how to improve the set without touching Iceheart.

Really disappointing.

It’s still doesn’t make sense, because it’s only for Channel & Cast times. So even if the other set is now better, I can’t use it, because my skill don’t channel or cast

General_Zeranth

Welp guess its a good thing that I can clear vMA on my StamSorc, even if it isn't a Flawless run, cause I won't be getting to try the build that utilizes Iceheart since I was lacking one till now. Awesome....

I think after nearly 5 years on this game I might finally be done. I'm sick to death of the nerfs just to get people to go for the new DLC sets that are impossible to farm unless you have a good solid guild which I lack thanks to this lovely thing called anxiety and introversion! -_-

Olupajmibanan

Vildebill wrote: »

There's been some really stupid changes over the years, but this one is so stupid I actually got a little bit surprised. Why nerf a set that has been great for new players, for learning or for getting some extra defense? A set that obviously hasn't over performed in neither PvE nor PvP. Sometimes I wonder if ZOS plays their own game.

But then I get reminded of that new monster set in the new DLC, and suddenly all pieces falls into place. This is one of the biggest a-hole moves I've seen, and I've been here a looong time.

If they nerfed Iceheart into uselesness and replaced it with DLC monster set, that would still be kinda (not really) okay. A d-move but still at least they offered us a replacement for lost thing. But this useless crap Mother Ciannait is not even a replacement. How is it supposed to sell new DLC if it is practicaly usable by only one class and only with an off-meta build?

Same thing Vykosa. Nerfing Vykosa and trying to replace it with Bani's Torment to increase sales of DLC. Who is seriously gonna use the new DLC set? Again a failed attempt to sell DLC.

Now Aegis Caller. Why do you nerf Aegis Caller which is again supposed to sell you the DLC? You undermine your own business strategy.

They don't even know how to make d-moves properly.

Altyrann

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

This feels like a blatant cash grab. Nerfed Iceheart to a 50% uptime and gave the new monster helm a 100% up time?

We gave you guys feedback on how to improve the set without touching Iceheart.

Really disappointing.

It’s still doesn’t make sense, because it’s only for Channel & Cast times. So even if the other set is now better, I can’t use it, because my skill don’t channel or cast

I don't quite get the proc condition. It feels like it will be automatically up for anyone with cast time / channel skills in their rotation, useless for those without and very odd to try to proc on demand as a defensive cooldown if you need a slow cast time skill to do it.

llBlack_Heartll

Altyrann wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

This feels like a blatant cash grab. Nerfed Iceheart to a 50% uptime and gave the new monster helm a 100% up time?

We gave you guys feedback on how to improve the set without touching Iceheart.

Really disappointing.

It’s still doesn’t make sense, because it’s only for Channel & Cast times. So even if the other set is now better, I can’t use it, because my skill don’t channel or cast

I don't quite get the proc condition. It feels like it will be automatically up for anyone with cast time / channel skills in their rotation, useless for those without and very odd to try to proc on demand as a defensive cooldown if you need a slow cast time skill to do it.

So any one casting Jabs, Shards, Jesus Beams ect will have a shield. Every 6s

Olupajmibanan

Altyrann wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

This feels like a blatant cash grab. Nerfed Iceheart to a 50% uptime and gave the new monster helm a 100% up time?

We gave you guys feedback on how to improve the set without touching Iceheart.

Really disappointing.

It’s still doesn’t make sense, because it’s only for Channel & Cast times. So even if the other set is now better, I can’t use it, because my skill don’t channel or cast

I don't quite get the proc condition. It feels like it will be automatically up for anyone with cast time / channel skills in their rotation, useless for those without and very odd to try to proc on demand as a defensive cooldown if you need a slow cast time skill to do it.

You can still heavy attack with Mend Wounds to proc it Any class has access to this

Banana

The DLC version is still pretty *** and as a ice heart user, you suck ZOS.

Dracane

The Mother Cyanide set is weak. A 5k shield is gone after 1 hit in pve and 2.5k is gone after 1 dot tick in pvp.
I also was not aware that Iceheart is a popular set. I always thought this is one of those sets no one would consider wearing and was expecting it to get buffed at some point. In any case, a small nerf would have been sufficient. That would be no fun however, would it?

And those standards... games are so much better without developers setting themselves artifical, uncalled for "standards".

majorana

I honestly expected an Iceheart Nerf when I saw the new monster set, I would have been ok with a decrease in shield size to 6k OR increase in cd to 8 sec but a triple Nerf? Seriously?
And that logic (can it even be called that?), following that line I'd have to say:
Nerf MS because treasure Hunter
Nerf pfgd because alteration mastery
Nerf lokke because war machine

Almost every set in game has a weaker alternative, that does not mean everything needs to be nerfed.

Sandman929

Up next: Bloodspawn.
It's easily been the poster-set for balance and is the go-to for both magicka and stamina. We can't have a set like that out there anymore.

Hymzir

Okay... Basically everyone is saying the same thing, the same thing I'm gonna say too. And the reason am saying it, is to drive the point home to you at ZOS. You frigging effed up here. Again.

Nerfing Iceheart to the ground is stupid. It is an idiotic move. All it means, is that the set is tossed on the ever growing heap of useless sets.

There is a reason people preferred this over the other "survivability" sets.The other sets are trash! Utter pure garbage!! Meaningless trite that is ignored by everyone!!!

Nerfing Iceheart to the same level is borderline incompetent. Destroying a set that had it's use, but was far from being the top tier choice, will not make people use those crappy sets any frigging bit more more than people are using them now.

You basically just made yet another bit of gear irrelevant. Good frigging job there ZOS!!!

HackTheMinotaur

I’m Ok with a nerf to Iceheart shield size. However 50% uptime is terrible. This will go in the trash along with Pirate Skeleton. Cool downs kill sets like this. At worst it should have an 8 second cool down.

The new set is also completely inaccessible to most stamina builds which do not have channeled abilities in most cases.

So we’re forcing players into a DLC monster set for a decent shield time but limiting it to 1-2 builds?

What?

xWarbrain

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

If ZOS were chefs:

Diners: "The new lobster dish is awful. The shrimp dish that is half the price tastes much better!"

ZOS: "We have added rancid ostrich bile to the shrimp dish and lowered the price of the lobster dish by 2%."

Thank you for ending my workday with this!

macsmooth

I heard that Voriak Solkyn sent an email to the dev complaining about how Iceheart was making him look easy, yeah the Argonian Behemoth was screaming about it in the pub the other night,
A Troll Breaker told me true story

That’s the only complaints I ever heard about it

LeHarrt91

It really is a shame they nerf the only Ice Monster Set. They really should have doubled/ tripled the damage it so pitiful anyway.

Xvorg

macsmooth wrote: »

I heard that Voriak Solkyn sent an email to the dev complaining about how Iceheart was making him look easy, yeah the Argonian Behemoth was screaming about it in the pub the other night,
A Troll Breaker told me true story

That’s the only complaints I ever heard about it

Matriarch Runa said she doesn't like IceHeart because it freezes her...

BalticBlues

And another good old set destroyed because new content has to be sold

valeriiya

BalticBlues wrote: »

And another good old set destroyed because new content has to be sold

Money over everything for ZO$

jecks33

Last patch "we want people to use defensive sets"
This patch "we nerf the only good defensive set"

...someone seems to be a little bipolar....

macsmooth

Xvorg wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

I heard that Voriak Solkyn sent an email to the dev complaining about how Iceheart was making him look easy, yeah the Argonian Behemoth was screaming about it in the pub the other night,
A Troll Breaker told me true story

That’s the only complaints I ever heard about it

Matriarch Runa said she doesn't like IceHeart because it freezes her...

She’s forever jumping up and down about things I ignore her tantrums nowadays, just need to let her go to her platform and chill for a bit, such a spoilt one is that one

frozzzen101

Perfect way to balance the ever growing disparity between floor and ceiling. God forbid someone takes a hit in their damage to get more defensive setup. This goes straight to trash can like all so many nice things we had.

Bravo marketing department. Give em all a round of applause shall we?

Malprave

Beardimus wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

From the patch notes:

Iceheart:
Reduced the damage shield this set provides to 6050 from 8600.
Reduced the damage per tick to 500 from 770.
Increased the cooldown to 12 seconds from 6.

Developer Comment:
Iceheart has long been a powerful defensive set that has become a staple for situations where you want to sacrifice damage for survivability, especially in instances such as Maelstrom Arena and no-death Trial runs. While we love the idea of this set helping in those contexts, the value of defensive and offensive potential this set provided was leagues beyond our standards when comparing it to other sets such as Brands of the Imperium or Phoenix.

Looks like a useful, popular, set has taken not one but three hits to bring it into line with sets nobody uses, or to help make the rather useless new monster set look slightly less useless. As per the Dev comment, we were already sacrificing damage for survivability, so it feels like a triple nerf is rather overkill.

I think the notes nail it.

It's a crutch for no death runs so makes them mean less.

^ There’s your troll! Oh he’s subtle, I’ll give him that but he just implied everybody that wore Iceheart when they cleared vMA or got a no death run was using a crutch.

ApostateHobo

Yeah that's pretty messed up to nerf an older set just because the dlc set was crap by comparison. Would've made more sense to just buff the new set a bunch, and leave iceheart alone. Especially since a dlc set should be pretty decent when you take into consideration the difficulty of vet dlc dungeons.

LeHarrt91

Sure reduce the shield size but the Damage was so low already.

Kolzki

Halving the up time on a defensive set doesn't make it half as strong. It makes it unreliable junk.

Konstant_Tel_Necris

That's horrible decision, developers clearly not hearing feedback from players.

Tannus15

Put the new set in Direfrost and keep the unnerfed iceheart in the DLC.

Everyone buys the new DLC.
I solved it

Oakiyo

The set is currently strong. But these nerf are not deserved.

Reducing the shield size is I think deserved, but the doubled cooldown make this set absolutly inefficient and not worth using it at all. The cooldown should remain the same. And even if it is nerf, this set should keep the frost damages that make it unique and offert synergies with other set or class passive ( --> warden <--)

Tannus15

@LeHarrt91 if you were running iceheart for the damage you're doing it wrong.
Grothdarr is just better.
They could remove the damage entirely from Iceheart and it would still be a great set.
The shield size reduction I'm fine with.
The cool down destroys it.

@Kolzki 100% nailed it. If a defensive set isn't reliable then it's useless.