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● DOTS Megathread ●

MisterBigglesworth
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Edited by MisterBigglesworth on August 14, 2019 1:43AM
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.

● DOTS Megathread ● 259 votes

Yes, get ZOS in here to consolidate all DOTS discussion into one convenient location.
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No, keep filling up the main page with more threads!
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  • Oakmontowls_ESO
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    That's a little over 2k dps or 1k dps in pvp
  • sly007
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    Slack wrote: »
    In PvP that is ~13k damage over 12 seconds (unmitigated).
    When someone does PvP with 15k mag resist (which is pretty low) then it should be mitigating around 20% magic damage.
    13k x 0.8 = 10400 /12 = 866 /second

    Not even taking target's defensive CP into the calculation.
    But I estimate, with this tool tip, you would, on average, do maybe 500 DPS on other players.



    Or did I just step into the sarcasm trap :open_mouth:

    You missed pen and crits. But I understand the point. Regardless, dots are doing more damage and players will feel the burn in pvp.
  • MehrunesFlagon
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    Deep_01 wrote: »
    Another post by a player who sits before a raid dummy with all buffs and showcases unviable tooltip of a single skill, just for lolz.

    No info of sets, CP, buffs etc. Also not sure if you are trying to nerf entropy skill or are you trying to nerf magsorc xD or both birds in a single stone :thinking:

    That is just slightly above my unbuffed tooltip. With just major sorcery mine goes up to 30k.
  • Rake
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    No, keep filling up the main page with more threads!
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Maybe, just maybe, you have to give up your 5k weapon damage and build into defense. And mag toons are equally impacted by this. The difference is mag toons have less stam to dodge actual burst from high damage combos.

    Its 2019
    You clearly heard about damage shields
  • Vapirko
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    No, keep filling up the main page with more threads!
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Maybe, just maybe, you have to give up your 5k weapon damage and build into defense. And mag toons are equally impacted by this. The difference is mag toons have less stam to dodge actual burst from high damage combos.

    New vigor is NOT strong enough to cover the healing of old Vigor + Rally so stamina heals are down over all DoT damage is much higher this patch and that’s just one DoT yeah it’s about 1K by CP damage buffs are balanced with the resistance buff so you can’t power up DoTs by 10% and I can cut DoTs damage by 10% so this will cancel out more often then not.

    If you go for more defense your heals and damage will be weak, and if you have a good mix of tanks and power your sustain will be trash. So the smartest move would be be build a max damage build, or a Heavy DPS build.

    And just to add 1k damage per second is not insignificant. Take a few dots like that and you’re talking about 3k damage per second without trying never mind any direct damage. A good frag can hit medium armor for 6k. Line that all up and things get out of hand fast.
  • WuffyCerulei
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    You forgot to take spell resistance, Battle Spirit, and CP into account. Even in no CP, spell resists and Battle Spirit lower the damage a bit.
    I will kick everyone's butt, even my own.

    PC NA
    CP 1200+
    Star-Sïnger - Khajiit Magicka Sorc - EP Legate - Flawless Conqueror
    Falls-With-Stars - Argonian Magicka Templar - AD - Former Empress - Voice of Reason
    vMA/vBRP/vDSA no death/vHel Ra HM/vAA HM/vSO HM/vMoL/vHoF HM/vAS +2/vCR+1/vSS/vSS Yol HM
    Dragon-in-Shadows - Argonian Magicka Nightblade - Shadow Breaker
    Eossos - Khajiit Magicka Templar
    Death-Singer - Argonian Magicka Nightblade
    Dark-Star - Khajiit Magicka Dragonknight
    Ice-Dancer - Khajiit Magicka Warden
    Tsalli-ko - Khajiit Stamina Sorcerer
  • Uryel
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    Sheesh, how are we ever gonna survive the slow killer ?



    So, Vigor doesn't cut it ? Can't use the fighters' guild healing circle because it's not strong enough / you need to remain mobile ? Can't be arsed slotting class heals when you have them (if you have them) ?

    Well, bring a bow. You have a spammable shot that heals for at least half the amount of that Dot's overall damage, each time it lands. The heal effect is no longer dependant on crowd control effect.
    max_only wrote: »
    Bosmers sneaking past all the dangers in the woods. Come upon a cultist doing a ritual? Sneak past. Come upon a brigand ambush? Sneak past. Come upon a mighty beast? Sneak past. The feeling of “yesssss” when you can squeeze by in tight spaces unnoticed. Sometimes I’m able to take what I need from right under their noses.
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Uryel wrote: »
    Sheesh, how are we ever gonna survive the slow killer ?



    So, Vigor doesn't cut it ? Can't use the fighters' guild healing circle because it's not strong enough / you need to remain mobile ? Can't be arsed slotting class heals when you have them (if you have them) ?

    Well, bring a bow. You have a spammable shot that heals for at least half the amount of that Dot's overall damage, each time it lands. The heal effect is no longer dependant on crowd control effect.

    On the plus side, if we have to slot 3-4 heals maybe people won't have the barspace to run those 28m undodgeable DoTs.
  • master_vanargand
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    No, keep filling up the main page with more threads!
    ecru wrote: »
    Deep_01 wrote: »
    Another post by a player who sits before a raid dummy with all buffs and showcases unviable tooltip of a single skill, just for lolz.

    No info of sets, CP, buffs etc. Also not sure if you are trying to nerf entropy skill or are you trying to nerf magsorc xD or both birds in a single stone :thinking:

    gonna repost my comment from another thread a week ago

    Here's a quick build I put together on PTS that should be at least a little viable in pvp. First Screenshot/tooltips are mostly cheese (apprentice mundus, nirn staff, divines gear, mag glyphs), second is all impen, atronarch mundus, prismatic glyphs, skoria instead of grothdarr, etc.

    cheese:

    2HA00jD.png

    (could have been a bit higher with mara instead of witchmothers)

    mostly viable:

    sAr8Gku.png

    both are with buffs up/pet out for necropotence buff. this was really easy to do, this gear is really accessible, etc. this is close to what you'll be up against as stam in pvp. also, i could have pushed my max mag higher with inner light on my bar but i thought that was a bit much.

    edit: even if i switch my other 4 small glyphs to prismatics and transmute my rings to triune (23k health, 14k stam, still 43k mag), my tooltip on degeneration is 35k, soul trap is 30k, rapid regen is 21.9k, which is still pretty high. also i forgot to slot mystic siphon on my front bar where my dots were, which would have been an extra 3% damage.

    Medium Armor Build is dead.
    Even Heavy Armor Build may loser.
  • olsborg
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    The problem isnt necessarily that skill alone, it can be comboed with other skills with similar or higher tooltips than that, easily. And if you have more people with similar builds in the immediate area, there's a certain playstyle that is completely countered and will suffer too hard for it. (medium). On builds that focus on dot dmg the tooltip of degeneration can easily surpass 30k, add other skills with similar dmg and...yea. Well this is just my opinion.
    Altmer Sorceror, magicka
    Bosmer Nightblade, stamina.
    Imperial Templar, stamina
    Redguard Warden, stamina

    Aldmeri Dominion!
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    PvP only
  • Banana
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    Im glad im not pvping at the moment
  • akray21
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    No, keep filling up the main page with more threads!
    My group is thinking about taking 3 months off PvP, this is the worst meta in a while.
  • Mayrael
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    Can someone post rending slashes tooltip? :)
    I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.

  • WuffyCerulei
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    Don’t go crying for the buffed single target dots to be nerfed when yall had a month and a half to cry about em and give feedback on the PTS. I’m looking you, whiny pvpers. A 22k+ dot tooltip isn’t what they would be in pvp, when you take halved damage from Battle Spirit, Spell/Physical resists lower their damage on you, debuffs put onto the player casting them, and mitigation from Champion Points into consideration.

    Don’t ask for more nerfs when it was your guys’ crying that nerfed pvers a bit.
    Edited by WuffyCerulei on August 13, 2019 11:48AM
    I will kick everyone's butt, even my own.

    PC NA
    CP 1200+
    Star-Sïnger - Khajiit Magicka Sorc - EP Legate - Flawless Conqueror
    Falls-With-Stars - Argonian Magicka Templar - AD - Former Empress - Voice of Reason
    vMA/vBRP/vDSA no death/vHel Ra HM/vAA HM/vSO HM/vMoL/vHoF HM/vAS +2/vCR+1/vSS/vSS Yol HM
    Dragon-in-Shadows - Argonian Magicka Nightblade - Shadow Breaker
    Eossos - Khajiit Magicka Templar
    Death-Singer - Argonian Magicka Nightblade
    Dark-Star - Khajiit Magicka Dragonknight
    Ice-Dancer - Khajiit Magicka Warden
    Tsalli-ko - Khajiit Stamina Sorcerer
  • Donny_Vito
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    Soul Trap + Entropy. You ought to start getting them fully leveled, if you haven't already. Welcome to DOT-breaker.
    Edited by Donny_Vito on August 13, 2019 11:51AM
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